[07:24] (ProfLupin) Hillary caught on camera "boosing it up"

[00:00] (CometBaby) attt thank you :)
[00:00] (TheTailor) I think I'll sleep
[00:00] (Change08) cometbaby, ????
[00:01] (Change08) cometbaby if for some reason you think ive made it personal i apologize. thats not my intentions
[00:01] (Change08) the conversation is between me and tailor and i havent seen him get upset at my comments nor have i gotten upset at his
[00:01] (Change08) i think you are babysitting our conversation just a little too much, no offense
[00:01] (attt) Cometbaby: I;m not so much slamming what you said...but check out feenode or some other unmoderated politics channels and so how shitty the dialog is.
[00:01] (CometBaby) do you think HIllary will lose gracefully?
[00:02] (attt) err freenode
[00:02] (CometBaby) attt I know all about freenode and the other nets. I've been around irc for many many many years :)
[00:03] (Change08) cometbaby, i hope she will. but i have my doubts
[00:03] (Change08) we will see i guess
[00:03] (attt) Ahh...so then perhaps you jsut want to help keep efnet from becoming the next jerr springer show....carry on.
[00:03] (Change08) Cometbaby, she doesn't strike me as a very gracefull person when things arent going her way
[00:03] (Change08) thats just the vibe i get from her
[00:04] (CometBaby) I think she is going to turn the Dem Convention into a raging riot
[00:04] (CometBaby) lol
[00:04] (Change08) well i hope not, i do think she is smart enough to know thats not a good idea for the dem party
[00:04] (CometBaby) I have friends in denver and they are going to get the hell out of town
[00:04] (Change08) we will see though
[00:04] (Change08) yeah i've already decided i will riot in california if others riot
[00:04] (Change08) i just want some free stuff
[00:04] (CometBaby) Change08 do you really think that Hillary gives a shit about anyone but herself?
[00:04] (Change08) and a chance to get on tv
[00:05] (CometBaby) She wants the presidency
[00:05] (CometBaby) period
[00:05] (CometBaby) and if she has to sue for those delegate votes she intends to do it
[00:05] (Change08) cometbaby, deep down yes i do. i think all candidates care. i dont think any of them are 'evil'...But i can see her being the type of person who doesnt know when to give up
[00:05] (CometBaby) so long as she thinks she still has a chance she will try to steal the elections
[00:05] (CometBaby) and its going to make other dems hate her
[00:06] (Change08) i t hink shes surrounded by enough smart political figures that it wont go that far
[00:06] (CometBaby) they are already turning on her
[00:06] (Change08) i just hope i'm right
[00:06] (Change08) who knows though neither of us can predict the future
[00:06] (attt) barrack rhymes with Iraq....obama rhymes with osama...hussein (well, we all know that name)...if he wins the whitehouse we will become an obamanation.
[00:06] (Change08) barrack attack!
[00:06] (CometBaby) Obama is going to move the Democratic party way over to the left. He and his wife have very odd behaviors that really worry me.
[00:07] (attt) open a vein before a vote for mccain....open a vein before a vote for hussein.
[00:07] (CometBaby) He refuses to salute the flag. It bothers me to have a President who will not salute our flag.
[00:07] (pi34) i think the dems are going thru a revolution. hillary is forcing it. its theold guarde v younger voters.
[00:07] (Change08) i'm a big obama supporter. Too each their own though, lets let the voters decide
[00:07] (CometBaby) and a first lady who has never been proud of this country
[00:07] (CometBaby) and tells females not to go into corporate america
[00:07] (CometBaby) she is a ***ing idiot for saying that
[00:07] (pi34) well. stienem speechified for hillary this weekend, and said hillary is the feminist candidate
[00:08] (pilgrimm) amazing how easy folks can be bamboozled. It just takes no minds and a carefully controlled data stream
[00:08] (pi34) i just read about it, and she makes a good case
[00:08] (Change08) cometbaby 1) her comments are taken out of context. 2) shes not running for president 3) thats silly you honestly believe shes never been proud of america 4) saying obama REFUSES to ever salute the flag is an overstatement to say the least
[00:08] (CometBaby) pi34 ... Michelle obama set feminism back 50 years with that comment.
[00:08] (attt) for me...only governors should run for Pres....senators and other congresscritters have no business there.
[00:08] (DiscoTaco) MoveOn and Pelosi have already moved it to the left. The de facto expulsion of Lieberman from the party, even as he votes with them about 85% of the time, should make that clear.
[00:08] (pi34) pilgrim: did you know the bamboozled word is a farrakhan specialty
[00:08] (DiscoTaco) The fact that Barak is the odds-on favorite to win the nomination is another exhibit in the case that the party has moved to the left.
[00:09] (CometBaby) Change08 SHE SAID she had never been proud of America. Not me!!! She said it. You don't say something like that in a speech as a joke.
[00:09] (DiscoTaco) Hillary is the more centrist of the two candidates. If the party weren't already moved to the left, she'
[00:09] (pilgrimm) pi34 I know it is a 19th century political term. akin to "skalywag"
[00:09] (pilgrimm) and poltroon
[00:09] (DiscoTaco) Hillary is the more centrist of the two candidates. If the party weren't already moved to the left, she'd be running away with the nomination.
[00:09] (pi34) pilgrim: i didn't know it was associated with farrakhan, but it is
[00:09] (Change08) cometbaby, as someone who speaks infront of 100+ coworkers all the time. i can assure sometimes when speaking you say things the wrong way or they dont come out how you meant them too. thats silly that you honestly believe deep down that she isnt proud of america, i mean comon
[00:10] (pi34) i personally like the bamboozle word
[00:10] (pilgrimm) Farrakhan is a typical snake oil salesman and therefore yes, it would apply
[00:10] (pi34) cuz it sounds exotic
[00:10] (Change08) pilgrimn, speaking of oil salesman...have you seen 'there will be blood' ?
[00:10] (Threads) i want to see that
[00:10] (CometBaby) Change08 and I never said he refuses to EVER salute the flag. I said he refused to salute the flag and it bothers me to have a president who refuses to salute the flag. You like that or something? You don't like the flag?
[00:11] (pilgrimm) I "see" little, I am top busy seeing reality
[00:11] (Change08) threads you should
[00:11] (pilgrimm) too
[00:11] (Change08) its AWESOME
[00:11] (CometBaby) Change08 .. I believ she meant it. And I believe she does not like America very much .. and that sense I had about her was confirmed when she said that girls should avoid corporate america.
[00:11] (CometBaby) thats just plain stupid
[00:11] (pilgrimm) it is a TV show
[00:11] (DarthBurg) hating america is the corner stone of the democrat party, otherwise, there would be no need for change in the first place. pretty intellectually bankrupt.
[00:11] (pilgrimm) ?
[00:11] (Change08) threads, probably one of the greatest movies ive ever seen
[00:11] (pilgrimm) oh
[00:11] (pilgrimm) movie
[00:11] (Change08) instant top 10 movie for me
[00:11] (CometBaby) She never struck me as a stupid woman . but she certainly is not as smart as I thought she was.
[00:11] (Threads) ok ill go see it today later
[00:11] (pilgrimm) my top movie dates from 1973
[00:12] (pilgrimm) but I see few these days
[00:12] (DiscoTaco) so does the underwear you're wearing.
[00:12] (Change08) cometbaby, will i strongly disagree that she doesnt like her country. I should also point out that shes not running for any office
[00:12] (CometBaby) Oh yeah Hillary is the feminist candidate .. standing by her man even when he is in the oval office with young girls.
[00:12] (pi34) obamas wife has a chip on her shoulder, but she does not seem like a torjan horse to me
[00:12] (CometBaby) thats a real exmple for women to aspire to
[00:12] (Threads) i still wanna see the rambo movie and watch him never reload but ok
[00:12] (CometBaby) thats a feminist all right
[00:12] (DiscoTaco) the only Rambo movie I ever saw was First Blood.
[00:12] (pi34) obamas wife seems like a tough woman to me, seen many of them in the black community, and i think she is ok
[00:12] (DiscoTaco) The rest look painful
[00:13] (Change08) well im not a hillary fan so i dont want to defend her too much but i dont think forgiving a spouse and working things out especially when there is a child involved is that bad
[00:13] * MortAway is now known as {Morty}
[00:13] (Change08) if you really love someone you dont pack your bags after one mistake or a bumpy patch in the road
[00:13] (pi34) change: it was bad
[00:13] (Change08) but like i said, i dont want to defend hillary
[00:13] (Change08) so eh
[00:13] (pi34) love?
[00:14] (pi34) as if hillary and bill have love
[00:14] (pi34) that is rich
[00:14] (pilgrimm) Hillary is a opertunist carpet bagger always was always will be
[00:14] (pi34) he is obviously sabotaging her
[00:14] (DiscoTaco) well, it's kind of tacky to divorce a sitting president, so I don't exactly blame her for sticking around. Nonetheless, she didn't exactly handle the matter with dignity and grace, that's for sure.
[00:14] (Change08) im not in a position to question their relationship. i dont think anyone is
[00:14] (Threads) i think bill loves her he is just a horney sob
[00:14] (CometBaby) Someone should tell obamas wife that those of us who went to college and got an education and then went out there and made it in corporate america deserve some credit. We have done what women have always wanted to accomplish ..competing on a level playing field. Breaking that glass ceiling.
[00:14] (pilgrimm) Bill loves power
[00:14] (pi34) they do not live together now
[00:15] (DiscoTaco) As Dicky Morris once put it, "Hillary absolutely adores Bill, and Bill absolutely adores Bill."
[00:15] (pi34) they are not a couple
[00:15] (Change08) cometbaby shes done the same. she went to what was it , harvard i believe ?
[00:15] (pilgrimm) Comet how DARE you deny her divinity!
[00:15] (Change08) cometbaby i really think you are taking her words out of context but whatever. you have that right to have your own views on her
[00:15] (CometBaby) and now michelle obama is telling us to become caretakers ???
[00:15] (CometBaby) become teachers?
[00:15] (CometBaby) work with childern?
[00:15] (CometBaby) good gawd
[00:15] (CometBaby) Change08 nice dodge
[00:15] (CometBaby) you are going to respect their *relationship* .. hahahahaha
[00:16] (Change08) dodge ?
[00:16] (Change08) i didnt know i was underfire
[00:16] (pi34) i despise this second guessing about whether the clintons have a loving marriage. give me a phat freakin break
[00:16] (CometBaby) you respect it more than bill does
[00:16] (CometBaby) Change08 .. I am taking her at her word. She said this.
[00:16] (CometBaby) not me
[00:16] (Change08) cometbaby, i dont 'dodge' anything. if youw ant to disagree with any views i have i totally respect that but i never 'dodge' anything
[00:17] (pilgrimm) I do not CARe how well two who have proven they value their own power above the good of our land know each other
[00:17] (Change08) well i for one am voting for Obama
[00:17] (Threads) pi its none of my buisness and thats the way it should be for everyones relationships
[00:17] (Change08) not his wife
[00:17] (CometBaby) “Don’t go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse."
[00:17] (Change08) threads, i agree
[00:17] (CometBaby) And the feminists are letting her get away with that bullshit?
[00:18] (panini) there's something wrong with corporations?
[00:18] (pilgrimm) I also do not care how well another who's ideas are right out of Carl Marx does. I may not care much for McCain, but it is a clear choice to me: America or the USSR
[00:18] (Change08) i think its really cheap that people have resorted to attacking a candidates wife instead of focusing on the candidate and his policies and views on things
[00:18] (CometBaby) Can you imagine what would happen if Laura Bush said someting like that?
[00:18] (Threads) i dont care if bill and hillary share a midget in bondage its none of my buisness
[00:18] (Change08) its cheap politics
[00:18] (Change08) beat up the wife that isnt even running for office
[00:18] (pilgrimm) problem wiht today is so few recall the world of the Societs
[00:18] (pilgrimm) Soviets
[00:18] (panini) Change08, candidate's wife is fair game, if she's campaigning
[00:18] (CometBaby) Threads it goes to character.
[00:19] (DiscoTaco) As Dave Barry might say, "Midget in Bondage" would be an excellent name for a rock band.
[00:19] (panini) Change08, then let her stay at home if she can't stand the heat
[00:19] (Threads) yeah but we should judge them on job preformance
[00:19] (pi34) exactly, the status of the first lady is not in question, or arguable, until the first lady deigns to exercise power, then, it is a factor
[00:19] (Change08) panini sure shes fair game. but constantly harping on it as if shes the one whos running for office. it just seems pointless and a waste of time to me and takes us away from focusing on issues
[00:19] (CometBaby) Threads maybe you are not mature enough to care if the President is having sex in the oval office with a young girl who works there. After all, Democrats passed the laws about that in the office place. Hypocrites.
[00:19] (Threads) i dont get a paycut or fired because i had a fight with my otherhalf... Do you ?
[00:20] (panini) Change08, a wife is a real issue
[00:20] (Change08) threads no we dont but keep in mind theyve also chosen a job that puts them in the public spotlight and they should act decent
[00:20] (CometBaby) Threads if I lie to a grand jury I am held to the same standard as anyone else. Just because I am Bill Clinton doesn't make me above the law.
[00:20] (Change08) threads we also arent running the free world
[00:20] (Change08) a presidents standards to morals are should be higher than mine and yours
[00:20] (pi34) hillary clinton tried to exercise power, and her status was then questioned. and when bill had the multiple straying, against the sexual harrassment law, and hillary defended him no hillary prtected him, then it is public
[00:20] (Threads) yeah but what makes us better than them
[00:21] (pilgrimm) Obama is on his 3rd wife isn't he?
[00:21] (Threads) to judge them on their problems
[00:21] (Change08) panini well i disagree, thats all i can really say to that. I focus on the candidates, not the spouses
[00:21] (Threads) in marriage ?
[00:21] (CometBaby) Threads pretending that it is nothing and we should mind our own business when he is doing it in the oval office is not realistic
[00:21] (Threads) if it was political i understand becaue thats what they are elected for .
[00:22] (CometBaby) unless you are a total apologist and you don't care what the clintons do .. you will defend him if he is **ucking little dogs in the oval office.
[00:22] (Threads) the guy is the president not a preist or a nun
[00:22] (Change08) personally i dont feel a women is fit to be president
[00:22] (pilgrimm) Obama is on his 3rd wife isn't he?
[00:22] (pi34) if jacki o complained about jfk's straying, then she would be a sympathetic figure, hillary? after the copresidency and the healthcare fiasco, after her doing bimbo eruption activity? no she is not sympathetic at all
[00:22] (Threads) omg
[00:23] (Change08) sorry if that offended you cometbaby
[00:23] (Threads) lmao
[00:23] (Change08) i dont mean it in a hatefull way. it is my view though
[00:23] (Change08) i think overall women tend to be too emotional and let their emotions get the best of them
[00:23] (DiscoTaco) we like you so much we periodically boot you off the channel just to remind you. ;)
[00:23] (Threads) like no one her ever made a mistake or had relationship problems
[00:23] (Change08) like with hillary when she cried over a simple question
[00:23] (Threads) here
[00:23] (Change08) discotaco, oh sweet
[00:23] (Change08) i feel welcomed :)
[00:24] (Threads) i think obama is more inspiring
[00:24] (Change08) actually i shouldnt say a women isnt fit for president...i should say hillary isnt fit. im sure out there somewhere there is a women whos fit for the job of president
[00:24] (Threads) i wonder if hillary would become obamas VP or vice versa .
[00:24] (pi34) no
[00:24] (Change08) hillary though she just lets her emotions take control of her, as do a lot of women
[00:24] (CometBaby) hell no
[00:25] (CometBaby) you honestly think that the obamas want the clintons around?
[00:25] (CometBaby) why would anyone want them around?
[00:25] (Threads) it would make a stronger ticket i think
[00:25] (pi34) comet: fbi files?
[00:25] (CometBaby) threads he doens't need her
[00:25] (Change08) threads no, no chance in hell
[00:25] (Change08) thats just silly
[00:25] (Threads) i bet it would work
[00:25] (Change08) no it wouldnt
[00:26] (Change08) it would look like a joke
[00:26] (DiscoTaco) CometBaby: because they're a fundraising powerhouse.
[00:26] (CometBaby) and if hillary gets the nomination you think she wants a black man as her VP? Do you realize how much power he would have over her?
[00:26] (pi34) i go to the obama site, and his supporters are more anti clinton than republicans have ever been. they hate her
[00:26] (Threads) if one would swallow their political pride for americas benifit
[00:26] (pilgrimm) Saying Hillary looses control is a Mena thing so say
[00:26] (CometBaby) He would always have the option of playing the race card. She isn't going to allow that to happen. She wants a VP she can use as a door mat.
[00:26] (Threads) lmao
[00:26] (Change08) pi34, i dunno about that. both are very anti clinton
[00:27] (Change08) I think obama is going to go down as one of the greatest presidents ever
[00:27] (CometBaby) Hillary's VP will be lucky to get an office.
[00:27] (Threads) someone she stomp her boots on
[00:27] (pilgrimm) go down? yes
[00:27] (pi34) change: yeah, but obama supporteres say things regularly like this: i voted for bill twice and now i know why the republicans were saying
[00:27] (Threads) well it was just a thought
[00:27] (pi34) that the clintons were underhanded yellow bellied lilly livered machines
[00:28] (CometBaby) I can remember when someone in here now .. told me that Hillary would never run for president :)
[00:28] (Threads) oh come on
[00:28] (Change08) lol cometbaby
[00:28] (Threads) and u believed them ?
[00:28] (CometBaby) no
[00:28] (Change08) Obama will be the next president though
[00:28] (Change08) write that one down cometbaby
[00:28] (Change08) so we can discuss it in 09 :)
[00:28] (CometBaby) I did
[00:28] (Change08) thanks
[00:29] (Change08) im sure ill forget this conversation within the next 5 mins though :(
[00:29] (panini) Change08 but he doesn't deserve to be
[00:29] (DiscoTaco) Not after McCain mops the floor with Obama's face in the debates.
[00:29] (panini) the retards who vote for him deserve the damage he will cause though
[00:29] (Change08) panini well obviously i disagree with aht
[00:29] (Threads) well who will be the VP canidates u think for democratic party ?
[00:29] (Change08) threads, waaay too early to tell
[00:29] (pi34) richardson, biden, castro
[00:29] (DiscoTaco) I think we can safely say it won't be Lieberman
[00:30] (Threads) lol castro
[00:30] (pi34) :D
[00:30] (Threads) david lee roth
[00:30] (pi34) britney
[00:30] (Change08) ....
[00:31] (pi34) daschle
[00:32] (Arose) knock #usenet
[00:32] (pi34) you can see them by how soon they endorse
[00:32] (Change08) ./join #obama
[00:33] (pi34) not on teh vp list: edwards, bloomberg
[00:34] (Threads) oprah
[00:41] (Insom-) i cannot wait for 2008
[00:41] (Insom-) baby you're the best candidate
[00:41] (Insom-) (barack obama)
[00:42] (Insom-) CUZ I GOT A CRUSH ON OBAMA
[00:58] (occ) yo
[00:59] (Change-af) hey
[00:59] * Change-af is now known as Change08
[01:00] (Change08) i hope obama legalizes pot
[01:00] (Change08) thats change i would support
[01:02] (Change08) no comment ?
[01:03] (Change08) ok ill play devils advocate
[01:03] (Change08) using pot should get you the death penalty
[01:05] (Change08) anyone even here ?
[01:06] (pi34) i personally dont have a problem with legalizing pot, there are too many potsmokers in prison here. but, no politian can say they support decriminalization and win an office.
[01:07] (pi34) that is why they dont say it. not becuase of thier personal belefs
[01:07] (pi34) we get what wee deserve
[01:08] (pi34) we cant say we smoke pot, but they can
[01:09] (pi34) (i dont smoke pot, or support it, but i am for decriminalization)
[01:09] (Threads) pot doesnt bother me its the other crap
[01:11] (pi34) pot is miscategorized as a narcotic
[01:11] (pi34) that is one of the problems
[01:12] (pi34) the other problem is, the pot growers in south america have purchased rights in the us of a, from the politicians
[01:12] (pi34) its hard to compete with wealthy pot growers from sout america
[01:13] (occ) erm
[01:13] (occ) almost nobody bothers importing pot into the US
[01:14] (occ) its not profitable
[01:14] (pi34) that makes sense
[01:15] (occ) you being serious or sarcastic?
[01:15] (pi34) no, i am serious.
[01:16] (pi34) i dont follow the pot trade much, i will defer to you
[01:16] (occ) i mean, im sure some pot comes in through mexico, but pot is (a) bulky, and (b) cheap
[01:16] (occ) so i mean, why would you smuggle in pot instead of cocaine or something?
[01:17] (pi34) when i did know something about pot, i knew that the best pot was grown in climates and altitudes like afghanistan
[01:17] (pi34) some of those place in the us are....new mexico
[01:17] (occ) high-end pot these days is grown indoors, hydroponically
[01:17] (occ) not in big outdoor farms
[01:17] (pi34) calif pot was not impressive back when
[01:17] (pi34) mexican pot was horrible
[01:17] (pi34) gotta have sticky buds
[01:18] (occ) if you buy good quality weed these days, its most likely grown reasonably nearby
[01:18] (occ) certainly in the US -- possibly canada
[01:18] (pi34) makes sense
[01:18] (pi34) still, i dont think people should be in prison for it
[01:18] (occ) hey, i fully agree
[01:19] (occ) i dont think that many people are in prison these days over pot, though
[01:19] (occ) definitely not for posession, anyway
[01:21] (pi34) i was reading a historical novel last week, where people in england were punished for growing cropos not approved by the lords of the manor.
[01:21] (pi34) seems similar to me
[01:22] (occ) that'd probably get your head chopped off back then
[01:22] (occ) hehe
[01:22] (pi34) but we own the land
[01:22] (pi34) yeah. they lost everything over it. and they were growing crops that were easier, and more profitable.
[01:23] (pi34) but, the nobility was conservative, and did not support anything that was new, or different
[01:23] (occ) pretty much anything that went against the lord of the manor was, you know, not tolerated
[01:23] (pi34) right, because the could. same thing now. the lords do it becasue they can
[01:24] (occ) im pretty sure pot will eventually be legalized
[01:24] (occ) its just politically dangerous to bring it up
[01:25] (pi34) that is how i see it
[01:25] (occ) someone just mentioned that they hope obama will legalize pot -- i wouldnt bet on it
[01:25] (occ) anyone proposing it gets branded as soft on drug abuse and crime
[01:26] (occ) plus, theres no real political advantage to it, even if you DO manage to not get your ass handed you
[01:26] (DiscoTaco) Well, since they were paid mostly in a percentage of crop, of course they had a say in what was grown on the land and what wasn't.
[01:26] (occ) so theres no incentive to do it
[01:26] (DiscoTaco) It had nothing to do with not liking anything different. It had everything to do with the marketability of whatever was being grown.
[01:27] (pi34) the lords for example wanted wheat and barley instead of plants for making dyes. because, the dyes wer something new.
[01:27] (pi34) and the dyes were more profitable
[01:27] (occ) there was hardly a market economy during most of the middle ages, though, DiscoTaco
[01:28] (occ) it was growing food to be consumed locally
[01:28] (occ) not sold
[01:28] (pi34) the lords disagreed, and demanded traditional crops of barley etc
[01:29] (DiscoTaco) occ: food was bsically currency in those days. It wasn't bought and sold using currency on a wide scale but it most certainly was bartered.
[01:29] (occ) no doubt, but goal one was to assure a food supply
[01:30] (occ) famines were quite common, etc
[01:30] (DiscoTaco) And a landlord wasn't going to have a lot of luck exchaging "plants to make dye" with, say, the blacksmith in exchange for making armor for the landlord's mercenaries.
[01:30] (occ) hehe yep
[01:30] (occ) the central issue with bartering
[01:31] (occ) "i will trade you these two chickens if you make me a shirt."
[01:31] (occ) "i don't want chicken."
[01:32] (DiscoTaco) "OK, you silly vegetarian... I will trade you this loaf of tofu for a shirt."
[01:32] (occ) hehe
[01:32] (occ) you still hear people proposing barter systems today
[01:32] (pi34) but the central point is, people should be able to grow what is profitable, and if that is pot, then the govt should step aside
[01:32] (occ) hilariously
[01:33] (occ) well, pot would be a lot less profitable if it wasnt illegal
[01:33] (occ) to make the obvious point
[01:33] (pi34) yup
[01:34] (pi34) let the invisible hand of the market swat its mighty fingers
[01:34] (occ) i do wonder, if pot were legalized -- how would it be sold?
[01:34] (occ) the first and easier step would be to decriminalize it
[01:35] (Wyyph) you ignore the fact that smoking it causes cancer
[01:35] (occ) its not been adequately linked to lung cancer thus far
[01:36] (occ) for one thing, people smoke far less material with pot than they do with cigarettes
[01:36] (Wyyph) i think it has
[01:36] (pi34) but, pot is unfiltered
[01:36] (pi34) and held longer in the lung
[01:36] (occ) true
[01:36] (occ) im not saying its physically harmless
[01:36] (Wyyph) We could market Pot-Light
[01:36] (Wyyph) Menthol_Pot
[01:37] (pi34) it would strawberry pot now.
[01:37] (occ) beyond the potential lung issues, there dont seem to be any negative health aspects, however
[01:37] (pi34) not mint
[01:39] (pi34) you wolt find me defending pot or cigarettes, they are both vices
[01:40] (pi34) but, people in prison? that is an issue
[01:40] (occ) yeah, i dont like that either
[01:40] (occ) if its indeed happening
[01:40] (Wyyph) A documentary called Reefer Madness showed the deleterious effects of pot and was praised by J Egar Hoover, himself!
[01:41] (occ) hehe
[01:41] (occ) that movie is pretty awful
[01:41] (occ) (obviously)
[01:41] (pi34) its a cult classic
[01:41] (occ) its not really even funny-bad, its just stupid
[01:41] (pi34) everyone loves that reefer madness
[01:42] (pi34) girls in 50s dresses jumping out windows
[01:42] (pi34) what could be better
[01:42] (occ) did they do the window jumping thing in that?
[01:42] (occ) i cant remember -- its possible ive never even seen the damn thing
[01:42] (FreeTrad3) 00:42:37 03/03/2008 LOG
[01:42] (pi34) i think it was a man who jumped
[01:42] (pi34) dont remember
[01:42] (occ) just heard it analyzed a million times
[01:42] (Wyyph) i dont know, when i saw it, the ushers were scampering about telling people to butt out. Finally the manager stopped the film and said if any more smoking was found the theatre would be cleared.
[01:42] (occ) art linkletter blamed LSD for his daughter jumping out a window
[01:43] (occ) hehe, Wyyph
[01:44] (occ) you don't mean to imply people were smoking Marihuana Cigarettes, do you?
[01:44] (Wyyph) actualliy i saw a brain in a jar in a coroner's office taken from a person who believed he could fly after a lsd party
[01:44] (occ) or so they claimed! wooooo!
[01:44] (Wyyph) no that was true.
[01:45] (occ) coulda been, but just as likely -- he was lying, or misinformed himself
[01:45] (Wyyph) the pathologist was to send it for biopsy
[01:45] (pi34) the scare was lsd could affect dna,
[01:45] (occ) the "person on LSD thinking they can fly and jumping out a window" meme is ubiquitous
[01:46] (Wyyph) well, he dis jump/fall/was pushed out of a 20th story window
[01:46] (Wyyph) that part is fact
[01:46] (occ) but they didnt know which of the three it was?
[01:46] (pi34) millions of people have taken lsd, hardly any of them jumped
[01:47] (occ) never tried it, myself
[01:47] (Wyyph) no coroner just gets the stiffs. the police report would find out i guess and the coroner would rule whether an inquest was necessary
[01:48] * [1]Jack3 is now known as Jack3_
[01:48] (occ) well, i aint saying its impossible
[01:48] (occ) im sure someone heavily intoxicated could fall off a balcony
[01:48] (occ) kinda weird that the next of kin would donate the brain to the police department, though
[01:48] (Wyyph) licy in the sky with diamonds --song is in my head now :)
[01:49] (Wyyph) no, the pathologist requested the coroner remove it for biopsy,
[01:49] (Wyyph) next of kin cant stop this
[01:50] (occ) i know we're in nitpick territory now
[01:50] (occ) but i dont think that means they get to keep it
[01:51] (Wyyph) well, the reason we saw it, is this coraoner had all sorts of exhibits of things, including heart valves atached to parts of hearts in jars.
[01:52] (occ) ahh
[01:52] (Wyyph) we were just trainee medics and the coroners tour was part of training
[01:53] (occ) did the coroner try to scare you guys?
[01:53] (occ) :D
[01:53] (Wyyph) he said he could identify the surgeon by the style of stiching of the valves
[01:55] (Wyyph) well, the sloped stainless steel table with the spray hoses and the sink at one end, and the little coal fired stove that they used to incinerate tissue samples sort of set the stage for what was to come.
[01:56] (Wyyph) twas about 50 years ago
[01:56] (occ) hah, that explains the coal-fired stove
[01:56] (occ) i was gonna say, "thats weird"
[01:57] (Wyyph) old brick building, coulda doubled for a hoor movie set
[01:57] (Wyyph) horror
[01:57] (occ) 1957 would be pretty early to have an LSD reference
[01:57] (occ) but ill grant you some leniency ;)
[01:57] (Wyyph) 1961
[01:59] (Wyyph) maybe a few years later..
[01:59] (occ) heh, did you ever see the dragnet episode about LSD?
[01:59] (occ) its a classic
[01:59] (Wyyph) nope
[01:59] (occ) classic joe friday hippie asskicking :D
[01:59] (Wyyph) i've some old dragnets on a cheap dvd
[02:00] (Wyyph) This is los angelos.....
[02:01] (occ) My partner's Bill Gannon.
[02:02] (Wyyph) ithere was one episode where they wer chasing down a gang of teen age druggies
[02:02] (Wyyph) that was pot smoking
[02:03] (occ) i remember a bunch of episodes from the 60s that dealt with weird hippies
[02:05] (Jack3_) is it true that UN peacekeeping forces are used mostly in third world areas?
[02:21] (DiscoTaco) Except Detroit.
[02:21] (DiscoTaco) otherwise, yes
[02:23] (Jack3_) okay thanks
[02:24] (Jack3_) another question, facism doesnt give any sort of legal protection to its citizens against the power of the state right?
[02:27] (Mornx) fascism is about group and country before individual, so no
[03:24] (EEKoff) hmmm...
[04:28] (FreeTrad3) 03:28:41 03/03/2008 LOG
[04:59] * TimeAFK is now known as TimeFX
[05:03] (Nemes) pmsl @ topic
[05:12] (gopp) check it out
[05:12] (gopp) war bettween colombia
[05:12] (gopp) and chavez
[05:13] (gopp) March 2 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez ordered his country's embassy in neighboring Colombia to close and told his military to move tank battalions to the border after a Colombian air strike into Ecuador, an ally of Venezuela.
[05:13] ([Pujol]) hrm
[05:13] (gopp) `We're monitoring the situation,'' White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in Crawford, Texas, where President George W. Bush was spending the weekend. ``This is an odd reaction by Venezuela to Colombia's efforts against the FARC, a terrorist organization that continues to hold Colombians, Americans and others hostage.''
[05:13] (gopp) I new it
[05:14] (gopp) I told my mom chavez is friends with the terriost farc
[05:34] (Mau2) Geert Wilders in HARDtalk - part 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWa-6lM9t8E&feature=related
[06:13] (n00b366) Prince Harry
[06:14] (n00b366) He should be king. But such is the topsy nature of the monarchy...only the idiot minded get to be king
[06:16] (n00b366) did America really leave the monarchy behind? or, do we preserve it in the form of hollywood idols and the presidency?
[06:17] (n00b366) 5 am and everyone is getting ready to go to work...good...good
[06:21] (Yaakov) You must mean "royalty" because neither Hollywood stars nor the President can be seen as monarch.
[06:22] (Yaakov) Even given that, there is always a privleged class and it is a mistake to see royalty as the source. Royalty is a reflection of an aspect of human society.
[06:23] (Yaakov) Anyplace people are free to choose how to spend time and money, a privileged class will arise.
[06:23] (RustyFord) great, Ahmadinejad and lefties agree, we should leave Iraq
[06:23] (RustyFord) its great to see Obama and Ahmadinejad on the same page of the Iraqi Issue
[06:24] (Yaakov) RustyFord: If an idiot or evil person agrees with a good idea it doesn't change the fact that the idea is good. That's a fallacy.
[06:24] (Yaakov) I am not saying it is a good idea, by the way.
[06:27] (gopp) ogh
[06:29] (Yaakov) Ugh. Oogah.
[06:30] (Yaakov) I can get by in caveman.
[06:31] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[06:31] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[06:32] (Yaakov) See, it is useful around here.
[06:34] (n00b366) Yaakov old friend
[06:34] * n00b366 is now known as RichWidow
[06:34] (RichWidow) yes...i meant royalty...
[06:35] (RichWidow) but Harry is part of the monarchy of England...third in the line to the throne
[06:35] (RichWidow) and now he is a hero...upstaging his brother, who now must go to war on a ship, i believe
[06:37] (RichWidow) on the Obama thing
[06:38] (RichWidow) what is taking place in American politics?
[06:38] (RichWidow) a cult of personality?
[06:39] (RichWidow) this next generation is interesting
[06:40] (Jack3_) hey i have a quetsion, did the communist party try to weeken the US by seeding disloyalty among the blacks?
[06:48] (RustyFord) OTTAWA (AFP) - Canadian blind rocker Jeff Healey, who uniquely played his guitar flat on his lap, has died of cancer on the eve of his latest album release, his publicist said in a statement.
[06:48] (RustyFord) he was the blind musician in the movie RoadHouse
[06:49] (LSDWash`) :(
[06:50] (LSDWash`) I liked that dude
[06:50] (LSDWash`) met him once
[06:51] (RichWidow) there are many forces trying to weaken the US...
[06:51] (TWThomas) That SatanBush person has went back to a normal account
[06:52] (TWThomas) meaning he more klineable now
[06:52] (LSDWash`) I see an attempted join just about every day, and have only seen him get in once in the last few years
[06:52] (RichWidow) ?
[06:53] (TWThomas) SatanBush worked for a Business that had a Comcast Business Account
[06:53] (Yaakov) It appears to be a bot.
[06:54] (TWThomas) Yaakov : it might be but I know SatanBush when off the deep end and hasn't came back.
[06:55] (RichWidow) TWT..your mixed up noun / verb tenses are making me cross-eyed
[06:56] (RichWidow) "has went back", "went off", "hasnt came back"
[06:59] (RichWidow) speaking of bots
[06:59] (TWThomas) RichWidow : when people in this world get crazy these days sometimes something just hits them and they stop there stupid shit and become a normal person.
[06:59] (RichWidow) anyone here have a problem with robo-calls?
[07:00] (RichWidow) TWT...but in order to understand eachother, we should try to match our nouns with our verbs
[07:02] (RichWidow) And, we should not forget puncuation, especially when we text.
[07:04] (Jack3_) is national interest an ethic?
[07:04] (TWThomas) If you want some Rabbits, running down the street, then I am not your guy.
[07:05] (RustyFord) LOS ANGELES — The city of Las Vegas has shut down a clinic where up to 40,000 people may have been exposed to hepatitis C and the HIV virus through the reuse of syringes and vials, officials said on Sunday.
[07:05] (RustyFord) Nurses at the clinic were told "to reuse syringes when administering anesthesia" and "to reuse vials of medication," the city said, citing a probe by public health agencies.
[07:05] (RustyFord) uhhmm.... those nurses should be held just as accountable as the administrators who ordered them to be re-used
[07:06] (RichWidow) Rusty...and you have noticed a trend
[07:06] (RichWidow) nurses are becoming doctors
[07:06] (RustyFord) what do you mean?
[07:07] (RichWidow) Nowadays, doctors are expensive...so, much of the responsibility is shifted to the staff
[07:07] (RichWidow) But what are you paying for when you go to see your doctor?
[07:07] (TWThomas) California has places where you can get a sex change. The people in those areas reuse needles and have doctors that aren't even suppose to be giving out hormone treatmeats;
[07:07] (RustyFord) nurses can't do squat without certification
[07:08] (RichWidow) Ah...but the certification is changing
[07:09] (RustyFord) nurses are generally certified to administer meds and shots
[07:10] (RustyFord) they are not allowed however to diagnose or prescribe meds
[07:10] (Yaakov) RustyFord: Nurse Practioners can.
[07:11] (Yaakov) RustyFord: Which is a good thing.
[07:11] (RustyFord) either way these nurses at this Las Vegas clinic should be held accountable for their willful ignorance
[07:11] (genio) I can see reusing the needles when they are just sticking the IV that's already in your vein, but reusing a needle that you've stuck someone with is insane. how could that be allowed to happen?
[07:11] (RichWidow) it's always doctors vs the lawyers
[07:12] (RichWidow) and vice versa
[07:12] (Yaakov) genio: I am sure that the cleaned them first.
[07:12] (Yaakov) genio: But that isn't a certain way of making them safe.
[07:12] (TWThomas) genio : it's called they don't have money to buy syringies cause the dope dealers buying alot of them.
[07:13] (Yaakov) genio: It says, though, "reuse syringes", not needles.
[07:13] (Yaakov) genio: That's different.
[07:13] (Nemes) jeez man aint nobody "who is in their right mind" wants to have a used needle in their body sterilised or not.
[07:14] (Nemes) hospitals and clinics, doctors, nurses, surgeons all should no that fact and stick to it religously.
[07:14] (Yaakov) Nemes: Before disposables, needles and syringes were autoclaved routinely. There was no problem with them, it was just inconvenient.
[07:14] (rond) Our nation is at war, our planet is in peril, but for you in ohio your biggest concern is your dreams
[07:14] (genio) Yaakov: OK, I think I'm confusing the words syringe and needle. I was thinking they were one in the same.
[07:14] (rond) that is a quote from obama
[07:14] (rond) and it makes not f'n sense
[07:14] (Yaakov) You can't autoclave the plastic, though.
[07:14] (Nemes) id sue the pants of any certified medical person who used a used needle on me
[07:14] (FreeTrad3) 06:14:41 03/03/2008 LOG
[07:14] (Nemes) id be a millionair many times over cause of it.
[07:14] (rond) if our planet is in peril then your personal dreams are not even a consideration
[07:15] (RustyFord) hey its a free clinic right.... this is what you get from government healthcare
[07:15] (RustyFord) be FOREWARNED
[07:15] (Nemes) not over here it aint
[07:15] (Nemes) every needle gets binned after one use
[07:16] (Jack3_) Why is secret diplomacy used sometimes? Is it to mislead the countries opponents?
[07:16] (Nemes) and medical staff cant even touch u without wearing gloves if they're administrating drugs to you
[07:17] (Yaakov) genio: Press reports are notoriously imprecise, it *could* mean needle, syringe or both.
[07:17] (RustyFord) Jack3, secret diplomacy is used for many different reasons
[07:19] (RustyFord) they might want to avoid certain information to be leaked to the press that would get into the hands of opposition, the nature of the deal maybe precariously embarrasing
[07:19] (RustyFord) all sorts of reasons
[07:20] (Jack3_) okay thanks
[07:22] (Pinki) Morning all!
[07:22] (Jack3_) another quick question, do you think it is Spain or Poland who has a geographical disadvantage?
[07:23] (ProfLupin) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States on Monday used precision missiles to strike a "known terrorist target" in southern Somalia, a U.S. military official said.
[07:24] (ProfLupin) Hillary caught on camera "boosing it up" http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/03/03/art.clintonplane.ap.jpg
[07:25] (Harsen) whens texas and ohio
[07:25] (RustyFord) Poland is landlocked isn't it?
[07:25] (RustyFord) ohh nope
[07:25] (Jack3_) RustyFord, it almost is,
[07:25] (Pinki) How was every ones weekend?
[07:26] (compdoc) being locked in the same room as hillary after shes boozed up - that would be bad
[07:26] (ProfLupin) In case you havn't seen it yet.. why I don't like flying Airbus: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/03/germany.plane/index.html
[07:30] (Pinki) I am bored...anyone willing to PM me go for it
[07:32] (ProfLupin) GRIFFIN, Ga. -- A former Fulton County sheriff's major accidentally shot and killed his wife Friday while unloading his gun, according to Griffin police.
[07:32] (ProfLupin) "sure it was an accident"
[07:33] (ProfLupin) Riley Taylor, 54, was at a family function when the gun discharged and the bullet struck his wife, Denise Taylor, 54.
[07:33] (ProfLupin) No. The gun fired when he pulled the trigger on a loaded firearm.. duh.
[07:33] (Pinki) What's with all the cops killing their wives these last couple years
[07:34] (ProfLupin) And they say cops are the only people qualified to own a gun..
[07:34] (ProfLupin) There are a few poorly designed/old firearms that will just "go off accidently".. but any modern one, well, you have to pull the trigger to make it fire. It isn't an 'accident'.. it's negligence.
[07:35] (Pinki) I watched a forensic show just this weekend about how a cop killed his wife, faked a lie detector test, and put her body in a wood chipper
[07:35] (RustyFord) god i can't wait til this presidential crap is over
[07:35] (RustyFord) i'd be just as happy with no president at all
[07:35] (ProfLupin) what? you dont wwant to boose it up with Hillary?
[07:37] (RustyFord) presidential contests are about 2 years to freakin long
[07:37] (genio) it can get old hearing about it, that's certainly true.
[07:39] (RustyFord) LONDON (AP) -- European and Asian stock markets tumbled Monday as investors reacted nervously to a steep decline on Wall Street Friday after disappointing economic and corporate news rekindled worries about a U.S. recession.
[07:39] (flmgi) Tomarrow ! Is Hillary out ? Or will she be out ?
[07:39] (LSDWash`) Tomorrow?
[07:40] (RustyFord) while i have seen people come in here revelling in the fact that US economy is going belly up, I laugh at them
[07:40] (RustyFord) cause the world economy is following us right over the cliff
[07:40] (ProfLupin) flmgi: she should stay in it.. if she drops out, she'll be setting back woman's lib 50 years.. proving that a woman is too hysterial, too weak to run for president without being a quiter.
[07:41] (flmgi) You want to help the US doller, get your representatives behind HR25 .
[07:42] (flmcon) Do we need any proof that women ar more emotiona; and wiored for security not sucsess ?
[07:43] (flmcon) Sorry Cometbaby
[07:44] (Pinki) flmcon: Women in general are more emotional?
[07:44] (flmcon) Pinki that is a fact
[07:44] (Pinki) flmcon: And what do you mean wired for security and not for sucess
[07:44] (Janet_B) security? over success?
[07:44] (Janet_B) in what way?
[07:45] (Pinki) flmcon: It's a fact for maybe some women...certainly not all
[07:45] (Tiggertoo) flmcon: sounds like another internet nut
[07:45] (flmcon) Pinki Wired so they believe that the government should take care of us rather than gout of our way and let us sucseed ihn taking care of ourselves.
[07:45] (Janet_B) hahahhaha
[07:45] (Pinki) LOL I don't agree with that at all LOL
[07:45] (flmcon) Good morning to you too Tigger
[07:46] (Janet_B) what about all the dem men, that believe that, matter of fact I hear more men saying that, than women
[07:46] (Pinki) Janet_B: LOL you with me on this one?
[07:46] (Yaakov) flmcon is OUR Internet nut, though, so back off.
[07:46] (Tiggertoo) maybe by "wired that way" he means conditioned that way through a society whose leaders foster that attitude
[07:46] (flmcon) Pinki In general .
[07:46] (Janet_B) pinki.. well I would not be a business owner, if I beleived that]
[07:46] (flmcon) Thank you Yaakov
[07:47] (flmcon) Yaakov I try to be a nice and polite nut.
[07:47] (Tiggertoo) or perhaps he means that in fact in society we do make it seem that women need to be supported
[07:47] (flmcon) Good for you Pinki, Congrats
[07:48] (Pinki) Tiggertoo: If anything I agree with that
[07:48] (Pinki) flmcon: What?
[07:48] (Janet_B) I do not think it is so much that women need to be supported, but I do think, men and women have different roles, but the goverment should stay out of my business
[07:48] (Tiggertoo) are women capable of taking care of themselves? of course. but do most people believe that women need to be taken care of? yes.
[07:49] (Tiggertoo) the government makes laws all about "your business" Janet_B
[07:49] (Janet_B) no duh
[07:49] (Tiggertoo) you're saying government should not make laws?
[07:49] (flmcon) Tiggertoo What I mean is Women naturaly have a sense that leads them to make dicissions that would lead to security rather than freedom.
[07:49] (flmcon) At least in politics, and There are exceptions.
[07:49] (Tiggertoo) flmcon: you're wrong
[07:49] (Janet_B) they should not make laws about my personal business, no they shouldnt
[07:49] * Janet_B is now known as JanetB
[07:49] (Tiggertoo) flmcon: women are conditioned to believe they are weak and helpless. they are not weak and helpless.
[07:50] (Tiggertoo) JanetB: laws are all about your personal business though.
[07:50] (flmcon) Janet_b I agree with that .
[07:50] (Pinki) Tiggertoo: I don't think women are conditioned to think that
[07:50] (Tiggertoo) the difficulty is deciding how much control government gets in your life.
[07:50] (Yaakov) I believe that women, like the females of all species, are more naturally nesters and protectors of young than the males. It is a natural rôle--but just looking at a mother protecting her young is enogh to show that if they seek "security" it is an extension of *providing* it to the children--not cowering.
[07:50] (Tiggertoo) government has a LOT of control over your life, like it or not.
[07:50] (flmcon) Tiggertoo Oh I know that, My wife 5' tall and mean as a snake.
[07:50] (Pinki) Yaakov: I agree
[07:51] (ProfLupin) Yaakov: Some females are the agressors of the species, and will eat their own husbands and young :P
[07:51] (JanetB) Tiggertoo... they do now.. cause people allow it
[07:51] (JanetB) and thats not women, thats men
[07:51] (Tiggertoo) Pinki: I think in that case you are wrong too. Society does do that.
[07:51] (ProfLupin) Yaakov: not unlike Hillary
[07:51] (flmcon) But She has the biggest heart you ever seen.
[07:51] (JanetB) hillary has no heart
[07:51] (Yaakov) flmcon: You've seen her heart?! If it is that enlarged, get her to a hospital!
[07:51] (Tiggertoo) JanetB: laws considered evasive by some are considered a godsend to others
[07:52] (Yaakov) "invasive"
[07:52] (Tiggertoo) yes, invasive
[07:52] (Pinki) Tiggertoo: I can't think of one woman that I know that is conditioned to think she is weaker than others or needs to rely on others
[07:52] (Tiggertoo) should there be a law that says there should be no lead in toys?
[07:52] (flmcon) Yaakov So true, That is why we have more women in tha Democrat/Socialist party than are republicans.
[07:53] (Yaakov) JanetB carries shears, don't get her riled.
[07:53] (Tiggertoo) JanetB: you realize that is an invasive law that affects your life
[07:53] (Tiggertoo) your personal life
[07:53] (JanetB) no.... but, people should know what is in a product, that they should be able to make the choice not to buy that product
[07:53] (flmcon) Yaakov Yes every day
[07:53] (Tiggertoo) should people be required to wear seatbelts in their car?
[07:53] (JanetB) tigger, you make it should like I am an idiot
[07:53] (JanetB) tigger no they should not
[07:53] (Tiggertoo) JanetB: that is not what I am trying to do, my apologies
[07:54] (ProfLupin) Tiggertoo: the driver, yes, as they must maintain control of the vehicle, which can only happen when properly fastened into the seat.
[07:54] (OcDoc) Prince Harry was atoning for wearing a hitler outfit to the party?
[07:54] (ProfLupin) As loss of control can impact other's
[07:54] (RustyFord) http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/29204.html (--- more evidence of the minority fringe group of environmentalists obstructing our search for energy security
[07:54] (Tiggertoo) should there be laws that people have to have their cars meet emissions standards?
[07:54] (ProfLupin) OcDoc: lol... yea
[07:55] (flmcon) Tiggertoo, Maybe they should But if they Choose not to use a seetbelt , And They become disabled because of they should not ever be alloud to become a Tax Payer burdon .
[07:55] (Tiggertoo) right, laws that invade YOUR "personal business" often benefit you
[07:55] (Pinki) Blah I am bored with this topic already
[07:56] (OcDoc) seatbelt laws are unjustified
[07:56] (Yaakov) Tiggertoo: Should you be allowed to force me to breathe poison gas?
[07:56] (Tiggertoo) no
[07:56] (OcDoc) Pinki: let's talk about something else
[07:56] (flmcon) Tiggertoo Just like Helmet laws for MoterCycles, Don't where one You die , your problem , Not mine.
[07:56] (Yaakov) Tiggertoo: Then where do you draw the line on emission standards?
[07:56] (Pinki) OcDoc: They may not stop...feel free to PM me in that event
[07:56] (flmcon) Meetoo Pinki.
[07:56] (Yaakov) flmcon: What about the person who doesn't die and ends up being instiutionalized for life at the expense of the taxpayer?
[07:56] (RustyFord) Booo Hooo Hooooo we can't hurt the precious Kangaroo rat!
[07:57] (OcDoc) Pinki: just talk about something else and we'll all go along
[07:57] (Tiggertoo) an argument can be made that it is everyone's problem when people don't wear seatbelts or motorcycle helmets, because those who crash use up a lot of expensive resources
[07:57] (flmcon) yaakov Imitions of Autos ?
[07:57] (Pinki) OcDoc: Hmm...what are you doing for Easter?
[07:57] (flmcon) Yaakov Let them die.
[07:57] (OcDoc) Yaakov: just shoot him and send the bullet to his family
[07:57] (flmcon) No more problem
[07:57] (Yaakov) flmcon: We don't, and I would not be willing to live in a society that did that.
[07:57] (OcDoc) Tiggertoo: whose resources?
[07:57] (OcDoc) Pinki: nothing ... you?
[07:57] (Tiggertoo) Yaakov: now you are at the crux of the point of these examples to the real argument, where is the line drawn to determine when government should stay out of one's "personal business" and when is that same personal business something that is everyone's business? This is JanetB's dilemma.
[07:58] (flmcon) Yaakov I would
[07:58] (ProfLupin) IMHO: insurance companies ought to be able to deny coverage to motorists who are not wearing their seatbelt or wearing a helmet.. and the taxpayer need not pick up the charge
[07:58] (OcDoc) PInki: I think my wife is sending a chocolate bunny to her son's apartment
[07:58] (flmcon) ofcorse I am the nut in here
[07:58] (Pinki) OcDoc: May have my neice come over to look for eggs and stuff...Gonna make her a healthy easter basket and probably gonna dye 20 eggs
[07:58] (Tiggertoo) OcDoc: all the emergency resources paid for by the taxpaying citizenry.
[07:58] (OcDoc) Tiggertoo: the point is where government must invade personal rights in order to justify the existence of government at all
[07:59] (Tiggertoo) no, that is not the point
[07:59] (OcDoc) Tiggertoo: why are the taxpaying citizenry paying for that?
[07:59] (RustyFord) its not like insurance companies really protect the motorcyclist all that much anyway
[07:59] (flmcon) ProgLupin Exactly
[07:59] (ProfLupin) Freedom requires responsiblity: if you want the freedom of not wearing a helmet, you ought to have the full responsbility for the consequences.
[07:59] (Tiggertoo) the point is when should you be left alone to make your own choices in life, even when those choices you make might result in your severe harm or even death.
[07:59] (ProfLupin) Rusty: depends on the coverage you have.
[07:59] (OcDoc) Tiggertoo: government should stay out of my life except when absolutely necessary to justify its existence
[07:59] (ProfLupin) I would _gladly_ buy insurance with a helmet discount.
[07:59] (Tiggertoo) OcDoc: because when there is an accident there are emergency responders.
[08:00] (Tiggertoo) the downside of motorcycle helmet laws? or I should say at least ONE downwide... fewer organ donors.
[08:00] (Tiggertoo) I am serious too.
[08:00] (Yaakov) If a person chooses things that cause harm only to themself, that is not my business. That is also very rarely the practical case. It is almost always true that the decision to harm one's self also harms the general society.
[08:00] (Tiggertoo) motorcycle crashers make great organ donors
[08:00] (OcDoc) Tiggertoo: government is a necessary evil, agreed to by the responsible citizens to protect them against things they can't protect themselves against by themselves ... it's a least common denominator pact, not a majority rules pact
[08:01] (Tiggertoo) OcDoc: why are you preaching to me?
[08:01] (Tiggertoo) this is empty rhetoric
[08:01] (Pinki) Tiggertoo: The # of organ donors has decreased significantly in the last couple years from what I've seen...I wrote a paper on it recently and organ harvesting has been strongly consideered
[08:01] (OcDoc) TIggertoo: it's not empty ... it's the principle upon which our society was founded
[08:01] (Tiggertoo) should there be motorcycle helmet laws? yes or no
[08:01] (JanetB) no
[08:01] (englanddg) no
[08:01] (OcDoc) no
[08:01] (Tiggertoo) the way to answer that is to investigate all the pros and cons of having them
[08:02] (RustyFord) yes
[08:02] (Tiggertoo) not just a kneejerk response
[08:02] (Pickle`) It can be argued, and has been by innumerable tyrannies, that basic rights like freedom of speech and worship harm society by causing disunity and acrimony.
[08:02] (OcDoc) Tiggertoo: you can't ask that question without asking the other one
[08:02] (OcDoc) the two are inseparable
[08:02] (Tiggertoo) which other one?
[08:02] (RustyFord) motorcyclists that are without helmet are a danger to themselves and to others on the road
[08:02] (OcDoc) Tiggertoo: should I pay for the emergency and medical response and for the abandoned family of the injured motorcyclist
[08:03] (genio) RustyFord: How are they a danger to others?
[08:03] (Pickle`) When you people are done violating rights you don't care about in the name of preventing "social harm", watch out, because they might come after rights you DO care about.
[08:03] (OcDoc) RustyFord: the world is full of danger ... you can't avoid it by passing laws
[08:03] (RustyFord) genio, ever get hit by a rock doing 55-65 mph?
[08:03] (OcDoc) and the laws themselves are not harmless
[08:03] (englanddg) Well, there was a time in GA when seatbelt laws were a secondary offence. Now people can get pulled over for them as the primary offence. I think in that case the law was changed to provide the police an extra way to legally pull you over, with the hope of "finding some goodies" or something else. At worst, it leads to some revenue in the form of the ticket.
[08:03] (Pinki) RustyFord: Well them getting thrown into oncoming traffic is hardly somethign that could have been prevented only weith a helmet
[08:04] ({GZ}dr4ev) Pinki and the brain
[08:04] (RustyFord) i have, in full traffic, without that helmet on I KNOW for a fact i would have crashed someone else possibly endangering their lives
[08:04] (OcDoc) it's all bullshit ... somebody thinks it's a good idea, they convince the reps it's a good idea ... wham bam it's a law
[08:04] (genio) RustyFord: ah, I think I see your point. Something flies up and hits them, with a helmet they're protected. Without the helmet they'd be knocked out and land on the road, causing others to wreck.
[08:04] (RustyFord) if a deer can go through your windshield and kill you in your car, wtf do you think a motorcycle would do?
[08:04] (genio) makes sense
[08:04] (OcDoc) we got thousands of pages of laws that way
[08:04] (englanddg) Yesterday the news had a spokesman on who talked about a roadblock they ran. The reason was "to improve driver awareness and safe driving"...outside of slowing traffic, I fail to see how a roadblock does that. But they did have 30 something drug busts and other misc. offenses that they caught.
[08:05] (OcDoc) driving is an intrinsically unsafe activity ... screw em
[08:05] (RustyFord) Pinki, again.... I have been hit by rocks, if not for that helmet, that rock would have definitely hit me in the head, causing me to crash
[08:05] (RustyFord) period
[08:05] (genio) OcDoc: We all know it's "unsafe" but that doesn't mean we can't attempt to make it as safe as possible.
[08:05] (Pinki) RustyFord: Motorcycles are dangerous period...when it comes to motorcycles they are known as when not if accidents
[08:05] (JanetB) then it is your choice to wear that helmet
[08:06] (JanetB) you should not force others to
[08:06] (RustyFord) i am not going to sit here and discuss with your the dangers of vehicles
[08:06] (OcDoc) genio: fine ... make yourself as safe as you like ... don't make ME do something YOU think is good
[08:06] (RustyFord) everything is dangerous, its minimising the risk thats important
[08:06] (englanddg) Well, I think I'm starting to see Rusty's point here. But, "scullcap" helmets won't suffice. It would have to have a face shield.
[08:06] (OcDoc) it's a matter of principle
[08:06] (genio) OcDoc: but your being unsafe endagers ME
[08:06] (genio) endangers
[08:06] ({GZ}dr4ev) JanetB it all comes back to who pays for that person health insurance if they dont have any and they "choose" not to wear a helmut
[08:06] (OcDoc) genio: it's irrelevant to the discussion
[08:07] (JanetB) then riding a bike endangers you too
[08:07] (Pinki) englanddg: True...and usually the only people to ever wear them are the ones riding in crotch rockets..ex. Ninja
[08:07] (RustyFord) england, half helmets are dumb
[08:07] (JanetB) GZ.. the person or their family pays it
[08:07] (RustyFord) ohh my god
[08:07] (englanddg) Just like a cracked winshield / lights or turn signals not working also can cause an accident very easily.
[08:07] (englanddg) You can get a ticket for both.
[08:07] (OcDoc) everything you do endagers you ... everything you don't do endangers you ... you have to have an overwhelming evidence of the danger before you pass a law under our constitution ... which has been ignored since it was passed
[08:07] (RustyFord) hahahaha (+Pinki) englanddg: True...and usually the only people to ever wear them are the ones riding in crotch rockets..ex. Ninja (--- yeh right
[08:08] (RustyFord) hahahahahaha i see you're EXTREMELY ignorant
[08:08] (Pinki) englanddg: I swear to God I just about shoot people in the head for not using turn signals
[08:08] (RustyFord) the vast majority of people who ride crotch rockets do so with full facers
[08:08] (RustyFord) the majority of half helmet riders are on Harleys
[08:08] (OcDoc) you can't just say "I feel threatened by you so I'm going to outlaw you"
[08:08] (Pinki) RustyFord: I was refering to the full face helmets
[08:09] ({GZ}dr4ev) can insurance ocmpanies force someone to wear a helmut or deny them an insurance policy or raise their rates to double that of someone who does wear a helmut?
[08:09] (OcDoc) you can't even do that if you have a majority behind you, or a plurality of the moment
[08:09] (Pinki) GZ: Yes they can
[08:09] (OcDoc) GZ: yes
[08:09] (RustyFord) uhhmm ok
[08:09] (OcDoc) I do not consent ... I am living here under protest
[08:09] (RustyFord) you're reply was to england, who was talking about "skullcap" or "half" helmets
[08:10] ({GZ}dr4ev) then why would an asshole be willing to double their insurance payments instead of buyign a $40 helmut
[08:10] (OcDoc) thousands of politicians are guilty of violating the constitution and the rest of you are not only allowing them to do it but actually encouraging them to
[08:10] (englanddg) The "experience"
[08:10] (Pinki) GZ: Cause they don't look cool? Helmet hair? (Unless they get a Hairmet)
[08:10] (englanddg) "wind in the hair", "bugs in the teeth" youknow
[08:10] (OcDoc) GZ: because people are naturally contras
[08:11] (englanddg) OcDoc - Two words...smoking laws. The one place where the right and the left both agree the constitution is crap.
[08:11] (RustyFord) i like wearing my full facer, puts me in my own little world, I am more able to concentrate on what i am doing
[08:11] (Harsen) http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20080227_1488_1488&page=1
[08:11] (OcDoc) because sometimes people do the stupidest things to spite the law and society
[08:11] (Harsen) Very good
[08:11] (Harsen) About the Canadina hUman Rights Commissions
[08:12] (RustyFord) i understand non-smokers complaints, i generally tend not to smoke around people that are non smokers
[08:12] (OcDoc) most people say there oughta be a law about OTHER people ... people rarely say "there ought to be a law to limit my own behavior"
[08:13] (Pinki) So if you don't practice a religion...or believe in God....would it be wrong to still practice Christmas and Easter etc. with your children?
[08:13] (RustyFord) if smokers were a bit more respeectful of non-smokers, there probably wouldn't be a need to have anti-smoking laws
[08:13] (englanddg) I do too, and personally support the policy, if it was the policy of the business owner...*not* the government.
[08:13] (Harsen) hmm no rond
[08:13] (englanddg) And now there is talk in GA about outlawing it in cars and homes with kids.
[08:13] (Pinki) RustyFord: Ever since they banned smoking in AZ I haven't been able to get my 2nd hand fix
[08:13] (englanddg) Not that I smoke around my kid, but come on!
[08:13] ({GZ}dr4ev) Pinki=smoker?
[08:14] (Pinki) GZ: Definitely not
[08:14] (OcDoc) if you can pass a law against smoking you can pass a law against eating too ... after all overweight people cost society a lot of money ... where does it end?
[08:14] (englanddg) By the same right, you have soccer moms who loooove the smoking ban idea driving anything longer than 1 tenth of a mile in their SUVs getting 10-15 miles a gallon.
[08:14] (Pinki) GZ: Never have...never will....but my parents both smoked like chimneys around me...and second hand smoke just gives me a rush
[08:14] ({GZ}dr4ev) if im outside and someone is smoking a block away the wind brings it towards me and i start to cough.. i have a sensitive nose
[08:14] (englanddg) Polluting *my* air.
[08:15] (OcDoc) englanddg: it's not YOUR air
[08:15] ({GZ}dr4ev) the cigarettes make me have a cough attack
[08:15] ({GZ}dr4ev) i wonder if i can sue malboro for $1billion
[08:15] (OcDoc) that's the kind of thinking that got us onto the slippery slope
[08:15] (OcDoc) okay ... off to work to take care of injured workers
[08:15] (JanetB) give me a break, you are not going to smell smoke a block away
[08:15] (englanddg) OcDoc - I was being sarcastic. Their whole point was that the air in the buildings was community property, or *their* air, basically.
[08:15] (JanetB) what garbage
[08:15] ({GZ}dr4ev) JanetB trust me i do
[08:16] (JanetB) bull
[08:16] (Pinki) So anyone have an opinion on my easter thing?
[08:16] ({GZ}dr4ev) im sayign if the wind carries it.. my nose is sensitive to the smoke.. sometime i have trouble breathing
[08:16] ({GZ}dr4ev) i dont just standt there i do try to move i na direction its not.. but my initiall reaction is to cough
[08:16] (Pinki) GZ: The fact is that smoke couldn't maintain that kind of concentration to reach you a block awat
[08:16] ({GZ}dr4ev) automatically
[08:16] (JanetB) GZ, by they time the wind got it to you, it would be so dissipated you are not going to reach you
[08:17] (englanddg) lol
[08:17] (JanetB) it is not like it shoots into a straight to you
[08:17] (JanetB) hahah
[08:17] ({GZ}dr4ev) JanetB you are dead wrong on that
[08:17] (Pinki) LOL
[08:17] ({GZ}dr4ev) a sulfur plant can be a mile away and you can still smell rotten eggs
[08:17] (RustyFord) ohh christ
[08:17] (JanetB) gz, you are obsessing
[08:17] (Pinki) LOL this is just rediculous
[08:17] (RustyFord) dudes an idiot
[08:17] (RustyFord) he is one of those dumb ass non smokers that i would love to kick the shit out of
[08:18] (Yaakov) JanetB: I can detect cigarette smoke at about 50 yards, and I am make sick by it at 50 feet outdoors.
[08:18] (Pinki) So...did anyone see my raising children Easter topic?
[08:18] (englanddg) One of the saddest smoking sites is the smoking rooms in ATL Hartfield-Jackson airport. Those little rooms are gross as hell, and everyone inside it looks like a refugee from the Eastern Bloc while they drag away.
[08:18] (RustyFord) dude will stand next to a running car or a running diesel truck and whine about some guy smoking a cigarette a block away
[08:18] (RustyFord) people like that need to be taken to the woodshed
[08:18] (englanddg) Rusty - That was my point earlier. Hear hear.
[08:18] ({GZ}dr4ev) 32degrees outside the office building i work at and 4 asshoels are huddled aroudn each other smoking
[08:19] (RustyFord) meanwhile diesel trucks, busses, cars are driving by, and this morons worried about 4 people smoking a cigarette
[08:19] (englanddg) When did smoker = asshole in the American mindset?
[08:19] (Pinki) englanddg: Same time non-smoker=asshole
[08:19] ({GZ}dr4ev) englanddg becasue of the fact they would rather stand in freezing temperature where they can get a cold all for the love of a cigarette
[08:20] (englanddg) I mean, I can understand if the smoker walks up to you and blows in your face, or doesn't wash their hands or chew gum after a smoke...that can be pretty intense sometimes.
[08:20] (JanetB) not smoker are A@^%#$@#
[08:20] (JanetB) sheesh
[08:20] (Pinki) LOL
[08:20] (RustyFord) thats their business GZ and there is absolutely NO evidence that standing in the cold will give you a "cold"
[08:21] (Pinki) True
[08:21] (englanddg) Old wives tale.
[08:21] (englanddg) Hypothermia, perhaps...
[08:21] ({GZ}dr4ev) their peacoats smell like smoke when they come back inside the building
[08:21] (englanddg) (chuckle)
[08:21] (Pinki) Same as the vitamin c will make you better
[08:21] ({GZ}dr4ev) and their teeth are yellow like velvetta
[08:21] (Harsen) http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20080227_1488_1488&page=1
[08:21] (RustyFord) GZ, and your cologne makes me sick
[08:21] (englanddg) lmao
[08:21] ({GZ}dr4ev) dont wear any
[08:21] (Pinki) GZ: Gross Velveeta is disgusting
[08:21] (RustyFord) your mere presence is vial to me
[08:21] (RustyFord) vile?
[08:21] ({GZ}dr4ev) lol
[08:21] (englanddg) Anything that calls itself a "cheese product" I don't trust.
[08:22] (Yaakov) Smoking is a silly, smelly habit. Nicotine addition perpetuates it and any rationalization of it is just that, rationalization of a health-destroying addiction. It would be consistent for those who point out how stupid people are to say so about cigarette smoking. The general joy people seem to find in pointing out how stupid others are (therefore making themselves relatively smarter) would demand pointing out that smokers are stupid.
[08:22] (Pinki) englanddg: Agreed....and if it's liquidy without being hot I'm staying away
[08:22] (RustyFord) i always love the non-smokers who while we are sitting there smoking come up and complain
[08:22] (Yaakov) addiction, up that in the second sentence, of course.
[08:22] (RustyFord) well if you got a problem with my smoking, don't stand so close
[08:22] (englanddg) Yaak - It's not healthy to eat mcdonalds either. But the same person who hates smokers will stuff their face every day with that crap.
[08:23] (RustyFord) living is bad for you
[08:23] (englanddg) Yaak - It's a matter of personal choice. That's the heart of the discussion.
[08:23] (RustyFord) it causes death
[08:23] (Yaakov) englanddg: Being stupid while pointing out stupidity doesn't change the sutpidity of the highlighted act.
[08:23] (Pinki) englanddg: He wasn't saying that you aren't entitled to do it...but it's obviously a stupid thing for a person to do to their body...as is McDonalds etc.
[08:23] (RustyFord) so is living
[08:24] (RustyFord) are we going to illegalise living as well?
[08:24] ({GZ}dr4ev) a person eating mcdonalds is harmign themselves the smoke from a cigarette smoker harms others
[08:24] (RustyFord) ohht! living is stupid.... you eventually die from it...
[08:24] (Pinki) Agreed...but me breathing the outside air isn't going to kill me as fast as breathing 2nd hand smoke or first hand smoke for that matter
[08:24] (Yaakov) englanddg: When a smoker makes me sick with a cigarette, the choice isn't just his. I have been made sick by cigarettes on many occasions and found smokers *extremely* unsympathetic to the trouble they are causing.
[08:25] (englanddg) Sure, but just because it's a "stupid" act doesn't give someone else the right to ban it or label others because of it. Everyone has a habit that someone else could deem as life threatening or stupid.
[08:25] (RustyFord) again, it goes back to standing next to car exhaust fumes while complaining about some guy minding his own business enjoying himself
[08:25] (englanddg) Yaak - Using that logic, a vegetarian could ban meat.
[08:25] (Yaakov) englanddg: If your smoking makes me sick it stopped being a "personal" choice.
[08:25] ({GZ}dr4ev) englanddg if a smoke smokes i ntheir own home fine.. dont smoke in a location where kids are
[08:26] (Pinki) RustyFord: Exhaust emissions don't contain rat poison etc.
[08:26] (RustyFord) jumping out of a perfectly good air plane is stupid but people do it
[08:26] (RustyFord) HAH!
[08:26] (englanddg) Sorry. I empathize with your situation, and I have no problem with smoking bans. Just let the owner decide it, not the state.
[08:26] (RustyFord) yer high
[08:26] (Yaakov) englanddg: No, that is not the logic. Meat-eaters do not force vegetarians to eat meat. Smokers force non-smokers to breathe the smoke.
[08:26] (RustyFord) there are far more toxic substances in car exhaust than there is in cigarettes hahahaha
[08:26] (englanddg) Not true. There are vegetarians who get physically sick at the smell of meat cooking.
[08:26] (englanddg) Rusty - Again, my soccer mom SUV point. hear hear.
[08:27] (Pinki) englanddg: ANd they have the choice to not go to a steak house
[08:27] (RustyFord) ever want to test my point, hook a hose up to your car exhaust, run it to the inside of your car, turn on the engine, see how fast you pass out
[08:27] (englanddg) Pinki - Exactly. Just like a person who detests smoking has the right to go to a business that doesn't allow it.
[08:28] (englanddg) Hell, most restauranteurs *love* the smoking ban. Smoking is a pain in the butt to clean and manage.
[08:28] (Pinki) But I do agree that it isn't the states option...it should be the individual businesses and if they lose business to either the smokers or nons it's their perogative
[08:28] (RustyFord) you can release the same amount of smoke from tobacco as you can from a car, you will die from the car exhaust..
[08:28] (englanddg) Bar and club owners, different story. It's part of the "culture"
[08:28] (Pinki) RustyFord: Carbon monoxide...is naturally able to be remedied by plants
[08:28] (englanddg) All I'm saying is let the market decide.
[08:28] (Yaakov) englanddg: If ANYONE causes a public nusiance by emitting noxious gases into the air in a public venue they have exceeded their "personal" choice. Now, I should add, I am not for laws that damage freedom of association, so, for clubs of any kind I think it should be the right of the members to decide and I think that bars and restaraunts fall into the penumbra of that.
[08:29] (RustyFord) Carbon monoxide is not the only substance in car exhaust
[08:29] (Yaakov) However, in public venues, it is quite different.
[08:29] (RustyFord) jeeees
[08:29] (Pinki) RustyFord: No but carbon monoxide IS the CAUSE of people that pass out and die from exhause
[08:29] (Pinki) *exhaust
[08:29] (englanddg) Smoking has been banned in "public" venues (courthouses, libraries, etc) for years.
[08:29] (Yaakov) And it is not doctrinaire or absolute. ONE person with an idiosyncractic problem, or some small number, is not enough weight (in my opinion) to be the deciding factor.
[08:29] * RustyFord snores
[08:30] * [XTV]NYR isn't a smoker, but the anti-smoking laws are getting quite overzealous, at least in my hometown of NYC.
[08:30] ([XTV]NYR) you can't even smoke in a BAR.
[08:30] (Pinki) Blah I am bored with this topic too
[08:30] (RustyFord) thank Mayor Bloomberg
[08:30] ([XTV]NYR) exactly.
[08:31] (CometBaby) aren't they trying to stop people from smoking in their apartments now?
[08:31] (RustyFord) dudes a freakin dictator
[08:31] ([XTV]NYR) I can't believe people are seriously hoping he'd run for POTUS
[08:31] ([XTV]NYR) exactly #2
[08:31] ({GZ}dr4ev) there needs to be class action lawsuits month after month against smokers who casue a non smoker to get emphysma
[08:31] (RustyFord) Comet yeh, in their condos and stuff
[08:31] (englanddg) Yaak - And again, using that logic a vegetarian could ban meat.
[08:31] ({GZ}dr4ev) [10:31am]«@ CometBaby» aren't they trying to stop people from smoking in their apartments now?
[08:31] ([XTV]NYR) the dangers of second hand smoke are EXTREMELY exagerrated and politicized
[08:31] ({GZ}dr4ev) thats prolly due to them tripping the smoke alarm
[08:31] (Pinki) GZ: 2nd hand is not enough to get emphysema..and whoever told you that was lying....asthma maybe
[08:31] (Yaakov) englanddg: I already disagreed with that analogy as faulty.
[08:32] (englanddg) Faulty to you. Makes perfect sense to me.
[08:32] (CometBaby) gz it would be impossible to prove
[08:32] (englanddg) CB - They have brought that law up in GA a few times.
[08:32] (englanddg) And in nthe car too.
[08:33] ([XTV]NYR) there's a law that bans smoking in cars here in nyc
[08:33] (RustyFord) The World Health Organization ran one of the most exhaustive tests on SHS ever done. After years of meticulous record keeping of all the data, their ultimate findings showed no measurable relationship of SHS to any form of cancer or other illness.
[08:33] ({GZ}dr4ev) good
[08:33] (Pinki) Well yes...the only time I think that any bans are appropriate are if children are involved
[08:33] ([XTV]NYR) good? 90% of the people break it.
[08:33] (RustyFord) The only measurable fact they did discover was that of all adult children who came from homes where both parents smoked had had a 22% better chance of NOT contracting lung cancer than did adult children who came from homes where both parents did not smoke.
[08:33] ([XTV]NYR) most gypsy cabs will gladly let you light up.
[08:33] (englanddg) I can almost see the car passing. Not so much for the health as the safety issue. Searching around the car for your smokes, then lighter...looking away from the road while you light...the danger of fire if there is an accident...and while smoking, throw 10-2 hand position out the window.
[08:34] ([XTV]NYR) and you can't tell me when I'm *alone* in my vehicle I can't smoke
[08:34] ([XTV]NYR) that's just ludicrous
[08:34] ({GZ}dr4ev) RustyFord then why have a filter on a cigarette?
[08:34] (englanddg) RustyFord - I think it interesting that the same person who will attack SHS will dismiss Global Warming...
[08:35] (Pinki) englanddg: But honestly who drives 10-2?
[08:35] (englanddg) lmao
[08:35] (englanddg) Doesn't everyone? (wink)
[08:35] (Pinki) englanddg: They cant make that a law...especially for those that drive a stick
[08:35] ([d|c]) i don't mind people smoking in their car, i do mind that eveyr single f'n person throws their cigarettes out their window like the interstate is their ashtray
[08:35] ([XTV]NYR) englanddg that's the silliest statement ever
[08:35] (englanddg) I was speaking more to save and attentive driving. It's the same as the cel phone law.
[08:35] (englanddg) Same premise.
[08:35] ([d|c]) it should be a $50 fine for every one that does that crap
[08:36] (Pinki) d|c: Which is why its a $1500 fine for littering
[08:36] ([XTV]NYR) i suggest a simple car radio has more potential for distracting the driver than a cigarette
[08:36] (englanddg) Pinki - Yep.
[08:36] (RustyFord) A Federal Judge by the name of Osteen ruled the 3,000 deaths attributed to SHS by the E.P.A. was a deliberate lie foisted on an unsuspecting public.
[08:36] ([XTV]NYR) let alone navigation systems, let alone cell phones, let alone...
[08:36] ([XTV]NYR) etc
[08:36] (RustyFord) Judge Osteen determined the number of 3,000 deaths was not attributable to SHS and that the E.P.A. told this lie in the expectation to harm the legitimate business pursuits of the tobacco industry. Judge Osteen completely vacated the findings of the E.P.A.
[08:36] (Pinki) XTV: I'm a better driver while I'm on my cell phone
[08:36] ({GZ}dr4ev) RustyFord what are the benefits of smoking?
[08:36] (englanddg) XTV - I wasn't supporting a car ban, I was stating that they discussed it in GA. I can see their points. Don't agree, but can see what they will say.
[08:37] ([XTV]NYR) None, GZ. That's not the debate.
[08:37] ([XTV]NYR) There are no benefits to coffee either.
[08:37] ({GZ}dr4ev) how about work backwards then weigh whether someone who doesnt smoke or want to smoke should be subjected to the after effects of a filtered cigarettes
[08:37] (Pinki) GZ: Can you give an actual Benefit to not smoking? Because smokers tend to have the same lifespan..so that goes out the window
[08:37] ([d|c]) coffee isn't the leading cause of death either
[08:37] (englanddg) GZ - Actually, smoking has been shown to increase brain activity and thought process, as well as the psychological benefits to the addict.
[08:37] ([XTV]NYR) Yet you don't see legislature passing laws as to how you should hold your cup of scalding coffee
[08:37] (RustyFord) About half of the smoking population has quit over the past 30 years, yet there has been no comparable increase in life expectancy.
[08:38] (CometBaby) morning yaakov :)
[08:38] (CometBaby) rusty :)
[08:38] (RustyFord) GZ, no one said anything about the benefits of smoking
[08:38] (RustyFord) howdy Comet
[08:38] ([XTV]NYR) hi CometBaby
[08:38] (RustyFord) but as usual you can attempt to imply someone did to build up your strawman arguement
[08:38] (CometBaby) hi xtv .. I wish your first [ was a letter so I could use my nick completer :)
[08:39] (RustyFord) there is no benefit to living, so why do it?
[08:39] ([XTV]NYR) heh
[08:39] ([XTV]NYR) I'm sorry about the nick, CometBaby. It should be "NYRelics"
[08:39] (CometBaby) haha
[08:39] ([XTV]NYR) but, alas, one of the channels I'm parked in mandates it.. :)
[08:39] (RustyFord) you could get hit by a car walking down the street, where is the benefit of walking ?
[08:39] ([XTV]NYR) heh
[08:40] (Yaakov) Hello, CometBaby.
[08:41] ({GZ}dr4ev) if one of those smokers blow asmoke in my face or near me again.. im cracking them one
[08:41] (RustyFord) whatever
[08:41] ([XTV]NYR) So... Any Obama supporters? Personally, I'm going with a sure thing instead of a relative unknown - McCain.. I'd prefer not to see another Bush or Clinton as POTUS during my life time :)
[08:41] (Pinki) So is it morally wrong to practice Easter and Christmas with your children if you raised them atheist etc?
[08:41] (RustyFord) morally?
[08:42] (Pinki) Well not necessarily morally...but does anyone think its wrong?
[08:42] ([XTV]NYR) why? Both Christmas and Easter date back to pre-Christian times
[08:42] ({GZ}dr4ev) pinki yes
[08:42] ([XTV]NYR) no.
[08:42] ({GZ}dr4ev) lol
[08:42] (RustyFord) who is to say how someone else practices their religion or non religion is wrong anyway?
[08:42] ([d|c]) yeah. they aren't christian religions to begin with. have fun with them
[08:42] (englanddg) I don't see how it's morally wrong. It doesn't really matter to me. And like XTV said, those "Christian" holidays were origionally Pagan.
[08:42] ([d|c]) err christian traditions
[08:43] (Pinki) My boyfriend and I have discussed how we would raise our kids when/if we have them....
[08:43] ([XTV]NYR) it's not wrong. In Soviet Russia, there was a rich tradition of Christmas.. However they redubbed the Fir 'The NEw Year's Tree' and remade Santa in a similar way
[08:43] ([XTV]NYR) so it's possible to have a completely secular/non religious view and celebrate the holiday..
[08:43] ([XTV]NYR) your kids will thank you :)
[08:43] ([d|c]) it's a tough call. i enjoyed easter and christmas as a kid but i'd have a problem lying to my kids too
[08:43] (Pinki) And we decided that we wouldn't press religion but still celebrate the holidays...at least the fun ones
[08:43] (RustyFord) i think it would be wrong not to show show your kids the options available and respect the choices they make
[08:44] (Harsen) why would anyone want to emulated Soviet Russia lol
[08:44] (|mperitus) Pinki it's an interesting question, and a very personal one.
[08:44] (Pinki) d|c: we don't intend to tell them about santa etc.
[08:44] ({GZ}dr4ev) Pinki the holiday is to commemorate a religioous happening though
[08:44] (CometBaby) so what?
[08:44] ([XTV]NYR) I would talk to my kids, and tell them about both traditions, and how they date back to thousands of years ago, before Christ was around.
[08:44] ({GZ}dr4ev) do you mean you are changing the meaning of the day just to pass out gifts?
[08:44] ({GZ}dr4ev) thats selfish
[08:44] (englanddg) Oh lord.
[08:44] (Pinki) |mperitus: What do you mean
[08:44] (CometBaby) if the kids are happy and we are happy so what? Sometimes all this anti-religion crap is just that; people need to lighten up. :)
[08:44] ({GZ}dr4ev) breakdown the word christmas
[08:44] ({GZ}dr4ev) christ-mass
[08:45] (Pinki) GZ: That's all Christmas is anymore anyways
[08:45] ([d|c]) Pinki: that's the best part though thinking a magical man is brigning you presents. great childhood memories
[08:45] ([XTV]NYR) {GZ} - no. The holiday was subsubed by the Crhristians. It existed well before Christianity.
[08:45] (RustyFord) comet no matter what these days people will find reasons to bitch
[08:45] ([XTV]NYR) subsumed*
[08:45] ([d|c]) i guess i would. i didn't damage me as a kid and i never looked at it as being religious
[08:45] (englanddg) Most Christian kids don't care about Jesus either. Just poll some kids what they like best about Easter and Christmas, what do they say first...? Church?
[08:45] (CometBaby) Rusty amen
[08:45] (englanddg) Nah...Santa and the Bunny.
[08:45] ({GZ}dr4ev) Pinki yes but a religious celebration of attending mass happens also on that day
[08:45] (Pinki) d|c: Maybe I lost my innocence...I was 3 when I found out
[08:45] ([XTV]NYR) dude its all about the xbox 360 :)
[08:45] ({GZ}dr4ev) the religious part still takesp lace
[08:45] (Pinki) GZ: Since when?
[08:45] ([XTV]NYR) it takes place in your household.
[08:45] ([XTV]NYR) you mean.
[08:46] (Pinki) GZ: I was raised very religion...but we didn't leave our house to go to church Christmas day...we maybe went Christmas Eve
[08:46] (englanddg) I used to hate Christmas Mass...
[08:46] (|mperitus) Well there are a number of ways to look at religious thigns in life and kids, for instance, I think to raise a kid in modern america with no understanding of christian tradition is a mistake since it's so much a part of the culture, at the same time I don't think the perpetuation of the religion it self is neccesarily a good thing either.
[08:46] (|mperitus) But that's just me.
[08:46] (RustyFord) if even half of the people in the world concerned themselves with THEMSELVES instead of what their neighbors do, think, believe this world would be a hell of a lot better of
[08:46] ({GZ}dr4ev) [XTV]NYR yes
[08:46] (englanddg) Now, I watch the Vatican Broadcast every year. Kindof my nod to the Church.
[08:46] ([XTV]NYR) I got the best of both worlds. Mom was Christian, Dad Jewish. Gifts for Chanukah & Christmas :)
[08:47] ([XTV]NYR) is rather
[08:47] (englanddg) What about Kwanzaa?
[08:47] (CometBaby) Pinki and you exercised your right as an adult to reject religion which is fine. But that doesn't mean you should not allow your children the same priv. :)
[08:47] ([XTV]NYR) heh, missed out on Kwanzaa and the Chinese New Year, but.. The rest were all gravy :)
[08:48] (Pinki) CometBaby: But it doesn't mean I need to force them to go to church either...they can believe what they want to believe...but I refuse to raise them on religion
[08:48] (englanddg) Kwanzaa is a joke to me. But...if others want to celebrate it, who am I to stop them or not respect their choice?
[08:48] (Harsen) Lupine you around?
[08:48] (Pinki) englanddg: I like any excuse to give and get presents
[08:48] ([XTV]NYR) I have to get to work.. Good day all.
[08:48] * [XTV]NYR afk
[08:49] (RustyFord) if your kid asked you to take 'em to church would you Pinki?
[08:49] ({GZ}dr4ev) Pinki that means until they are 18 you will refuse to teach them any form of beleif?
[08:49] * |Forbin is now known as _Forbin
[08:49] ([d|c]) raise them without religion and tell them the truth. if they ask, tell them that there is no evidence for god but someone people believe anyway as a matter of faith. they themselves can make the decision to believe or not
[08:49] (Pinki) RustyFord: I would...if I had to choose I'd take them to a Lutheran church...the same one I was raised in
[08:49] ([d|c]) i wouldn't stop them but i'd want them to know the facts
[08:49] (englanddg) Pinki - I think giving them a variety of experiences is a good thing...though. Religion plays a role, even if it's just to be exposed to the beliefs and understand how and why other people think the way they do. I think things would be a lot better if more Americans studied a little bit of Islam.
[08:49] (RustyFord) heh
[08:49] (Pinki) d|c: Exactly
[08:49] (RustyFord) ahh i see, so it would be on your terms...
[08:49] (RustyFord) neato
[08:49] (englanddg) Not convert, but Islam in and of itself...most Americans don't know squat.
[08:50] (Pinki) englanddg: I would definitely teach them about religion...I would just not raise them on a particular one
[08:50] (RustyFord) so really you're not giving them any option
[08:50] (RustyFord) heh
[08:50] (EuroTrash) Disney seems to be better entertainment.
[08:51] (Pinki) RustyFord: We are giving them every option by not forcing anything upon them
[08:51] (RustyFord) hahah you can try to justify it like that
[08:51] (englanddg) (--looking for my comet to come wearing my matching sneakers
[08:51] (Pinki) englanddg: My bf and I are both very knowlegable about several religions, Buddhism, Mormonism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Sikkhism etc
[08:51] (englanddg) Haaaale Bopp!
[08:52] (englanddg) Well, I personally think that tolorance only comes from real exposure and education.
[08:52] (Pinki) I don't understand why people get mad at me just because I say that I'm not going to start off taking my children to church...if they ask me to I will...
[08:52] ({GZ}dr4ev) Pinki religion is more than worshipping any one person or idol its a way of living ones life.. teaching them right from wrong has religious overtones
[08:53] (Pinki) englanddg: Well we are exposed to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Mormonism
[08:53] (englanddg) Right and Wrong were around before the 10 commandments...wern't they?
[08:53] ([d|c]) morality does not come from the bible
[08:53] (|mperitus) GZ it's possible to teach morality witout religion, it just requires more work.
[08:53] (Pinki) GZ: That is not true
[08:53] ([d|c]) if it did we are in trouble
[08:53] (Pinki) GZ: Teaching a moral code has nothing to do with telling children they will go to hell and be tortured if they do something wrong
[08:54] (englanddg) One word...Westboro.
[08:54] (Yaakov) A parent has no choice but to inculcate a child with an ethical system. It happens by osmosis even in the absence of explicit instruction. It is best when explicit instruction is matched by the behavior of the parent. When it isn't, bad things result.
[08:54] (RustyFord) if they ask you to take them to church you have already stated that you would take them to your LUTHERAN church
[08:54] (RustyFord) heh
[08:54] ({GZ}dr4ev) you will never tell your kids to be mean to someone.. its something learned.. no religion teaches meanspiritness either. if kids are taught early about brotherhood and kindness we wont have al lthis hatred i nthe world.. how about starting at home Pinki.. dont let your kids make a decision.. what if they look towards satanic rituals
[08:54] ({GZ}dr4ev) due to peer pressure
[08:54] (RustyFord) no one is mad at you, we are trying to clear up the discrepancies of your statements
[08:55] (Pinki) RustyFord: Yes,...if they didn't express a specific church they wanted to go to...and like I said...my old church...it was the most liberal church I've ever been in
[08:56] (RustyFord) heh cool, nothing like going to a church where you only have to do as little as necessary to make you feel like a christian
[08:56] (Pinki) RustyFord: My previous church practiced Judaic traditions and brought in all other religions...they taught of Buddhism etc.
[08:56] (Pinki) RustyFord: I never felt like a Christian...and they told me that was my perogative...but the things they taught me helped me be a better person....mainly the Buddhism
[08:57] (RustyFord) i am amazed at how many people claim that they are christians by merely claiming that they believe in Christ.. walking it and claiming it, are two very different things, but hey who am I to judge how others believe...
[08:58] (Pinki) I don't believe in Jesus...and I'm not one to say I believe in God when I cannot know he/it is real
[08:58] (englanddg) Rusty - Your last statement sums up Christianity pretty well, who are you to judge? It seems that many "Christians" forget that all the time.
[08:58] (RustyFord) its like claiming you are a "biker" but don't own a harley
[08:58] (Harsen) Two years after U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins was accused of meddling in Canada's federal election, the same is being said of Stephen Harper's Conservatives with respect to the current U.S. contest.
[08:58] (Harsen) Democrats appearing on a nationwide U.S. political program accused the Harper government yesterday of interfering in the primary campaigns to help the Republican Party candidate in the coming campaign.
[08:58] (Harsen) "You've got a right-wing government in Canada that is trying to help the Republicans and is out there actively interfering in this campaign," Bob Shrum told the popular program, Meet the Press. Mr. Shrum is a top-level Democrat adviser who has had key roles in the presidential campaigns of Al Gore and John Kerry.
[08:58] (Pinki) And I don't claim falsities
[08:59] (Harsen) At issue are reports that members of Mr. Harper's prime ministerial office leaked word last week that a member of Barack Obama's campaign told a Canadian diplomat that Mr. Obama was not serious when he raised the possibility of renegotiating the free-trade agreement.
[08:59] (Harsen) Piss off
[08:59] (Harsen) Democrats threaten us and expect us not to respond
[08:59] (Harsen) Fuck them
[08:59] (y2s) who me
[08:59] (y2s) ???
[08:59] (englanddg) Right place, wrong time y2s.
[08:59] (englanddg) He's not talking to you.
[08:59] (RustyFord) i wished Steve Harper was our president
[09:00] (RustyFord) the guy is cool as hell IMHO
[09:00] (Pinki) Well thanks to all of you that gave me your opinions and insight
[09:00] (|mperitus) Pinki, raise your kids to 'think'
[09:00] (Pinki) Any of you whom would like to continue in PM feel free...I'd very much enjoy hearing further
[09:00] (|mperitus) and they'll be fine.
[09:01] (Pinki) |mperitus: If I ever have any I will...thank you
[09:02] (englanddg) Pinki - I will say that it's cool that you are thinking about these things now, but once you have that first one your perspective will change forever on many things.
[09:03] (Yaakov) Mobilehello, kem.
[09:03] (Mobilekem) Are we having fun yet?
[09:03] (Harsen) http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20080227_1488_1488&page=1
[09:04] (Pinki) Oh yeah...been an interesting hour and a half
[09:04] (Yaakov) Mobilekem: I am not doing all that well but it could be much worse.
[09:04] (Mobilekem) Mmmm... Blackberries.
[09:04] (Yaakov) Mobilekem: But "fun" probably isn't the right word.
[09:04] (Mobilekem) Me either.
[09:04] (Yaakov) Mmmm... iPhones.
[09:05] (Mobilekem) Heh. Easier by far.
[09:06] (Mobilekem) Grrr. I hate it when people don't believe me when I tell them I don't know what I'm doing.
[09:08] (|mperitus) I believe you, I live under the assumption that non one knows what they're doing.
[09:08] (Mobilekem) I mean, on the one hand, their condidence is inspiring. On the other hand, I really don't like intuitive troubleshooting when losing all of the data on a device is a very real possibility.
[09:10] * CLU-- is now known as CLU
[09:14] (L0c0) need to go vote twice tomorrow
[09:14] (Mobilekem) Right. And if someone tells me they don't have the skill set to perform the task at hand, I'm inclined to believe them.
[09:14] ({GZ}dr4ev) obama08
[09:28] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[09:28] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[09:29] (Pinki) Blah
[09:30] (LSDWash`) Go go go away
[09:30] (LSDWash`) and shut shut shut up
[09:30] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[09:30] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[09:30] (|mperitus) Your enthusiasm is admirable, but anoying.
[09:30] (croz) ;D
[09:35] (englanddg) Obama does have a fun name though. So much comic possibily. Just cries out for nicknames and cute phrases. Kindof like the "Huckster" does.
[09:36] (englanddg) If Obama wins, the celebration will be called "bamarama"
[09:36] ({GZ}dr4ev) why are the candidates being racist towards him becasue of his middle name? i dont get that
[09:36] ({GZ}dr4ev) his father named him
[09:36] ({GZ}dr4ev) he is a christian but hsi father was a muslim
[09:37] ({GZ}dr4ev) rodham isnt such a nice name either
[09:37] (englanddg) I wouldn't say it's the cands. as much as the supporters. Answer, cause they are idiots.
[09:37] (Yaakov) Rodham is Dutch for "Adolph".
[09:37] (englanddg) Though Hillary is just desparate now...though she won't admit it.
[09:37] ({GZ}dr4ev) its costing her the race i hope she realizes it
[09:38] (englanddg) She doesn't.
[09:38] (englanddg) That's the wonderful irony of it all.
[09:38] (englanddg) She thought she had this election in the bag. She's been planning for it since Bill got elected the first time, I'll wager.
[09:39] (englanddg) Certainly by the second time. And I think it's a major reason why she never left Bill. She needed the *name*.
[09:39] (englanddg) NY gave her the "experiance"...if you want to call it that.
[09:39] (englanddg) And this was supposed to be her time to shine.
[09:39] ({GZ}dr4ev) is there any truth to the story that webb hubble is chelsea clintons father?
[09:39] (englanddg) And this upstart comes out of nowhere! Lovin it!
[09:41] ({GZ}dr4ev) the n.y giants beat the #1 #2 and #3 team i nthe elahue to win the s.b so hey this is the year f the underdog
[09:41] (englanddg) Chelsea definately has a lot of Bills features. I doubt it's true. I would file that blog/e-mail with the guy from Nigeria who wants to give you a cut of his lottery winnings if you send him your bank account.
[09:42] (englanddg) Later all.
[09:51] * td- is now known as td
[09:51] (pilgrim`) GOLD current NYspot: 986.90
[09:52] (pilgrim`) 986.20 oh look! the dollar is strengthening! not
[09:52] (pilgrim`) Frifay's close was 974
[09:52] (pilgrim`) friday
[09:53] (pilgrim`) what the country needs is a 1 dollar dollar
[09:54] (_HellMngr) ladies, whats the haps?
[09:54] (Roadkill_) Morning folks.
[09:55] (TWThomas) boredom to the max
[09:55] (L0c0) blah i have errands to run but dn't wanna
[09:55] (L0c0) gotta go look for a UTEP shirt for my sister
[09:55] (TWThomas) UTEP ?
[09:56] (L0c0) U.Texas-El Paso
[09:56] (L0c0) our alma mater
[09:56] (TWThomas) oh
[09:56] (L0c0) they're having some kind of meeting at work friday and they're all wearing their schools shirts. she said the only ones she has are all raggety
[09:57] (L0c0) hmm...gonna have to shift dinner plans tomorrow so i can vote the 2nd time
[09:57] (RobVanDam) 2nd time?
[09:57] (RobVanDam) democrat!
[09:58] (pilgrim`) UTEP. I have actually ben on their campus once
[10:02] (|mperitus) What this country needs is less hippies, more happy. :)
[10:02] (|mperitus) www.destinationorbitz.com/brand/
[10:02] (|mperitus) akk.
[10:03] * _Forbin Rush is on: http://www.wabcradio.com/article.asp?id=531472
[10:03] (|mperitus) On the air and off his rocker? :)
[10:04] (DarthBurg) its not a "Rocker"
[10:05] (Pinki) I'm bored
[10:05] (Pinki) Someone PM me if they are bored too
[10:06] (oc80z) yeah
[10:06] (oc80z) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlCiUMoFu84
[10:06] (oc80z) that looks like some evil fun
[10:06] (DarthBurg) torturing puppies to? the shame
[10:06] (Perojok) hi everybody +)
[10:07] (|mperitus) If I believed in hell, I'd be certain there is a special place in it reserved for anyone who tortures puppies.
[10:08] (oc80z) that wasent tourture. that was puppy flying.
[10:08] (DarthBurg) Yes, its the "Death of Innocents" lobby
[10:08] (|mperitus) I havent seen the video.
[10:08] (oc80z) *shrug* doesent phaze me.
[10:08] (|mperitus) I'll try and find it when I get home from work I suppose.
[10:08] (Change-af) Go Obama !
[10:09] (oc80z) go obama..
[10:09] (Change-af) tminus 24hours
[10:09] * Change-af is now known as Change08
[10:09] * DarthBurg is on record claiming Hillary is unelectable.
[10:10] (RobVanDam) DarthBurg: so is obama'
[10:10] (DarthBurg) prolly for different reasons I wager
[10:10] (oc80z) I hope so.
[10:10] (oc80z) Obama is very charismic.
[10:10] (Change08) Obama will probably go down as one of the greatest presidents in our history
[10:10] (DarthBurg) lol
[10:10] (oc80z) and history shows, people elected on charisma, are assassinated.
[10:10] (DarthBurg) no socialist can get that title.
[10:10] (|mperitus) change, you'r ea little early in that proclimation.
[10:10] (oc80z) thats not true DarthBurg
[10:11] (DarthBurg) yes, it is. its called Math.
[10:11] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[10:11] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[10:11] (oc80z) DarthBurg: Karl Marx
[10:11] (oc80z) :D
[10:11] (Change08) Go Obama !
[10:11] (|mperitus) why dont you wait untill we have an actual election first.
[10:11] (DarthBurg) oc80z yes, founder of the US public school system
[10:12] (DarthBurg) DeDannan
[10:12] (Change08) Obama is my hero
[10:13] (DarthBurg) obama has doen well
[10:13] (DeDannan) DarthBurg
[10:13] (DarthBurg) Obama is proof learning to speak english is important.
[10:14] (Change08) Obama Obama Obama Obama !
[10:14] (DeDannan) particularly if it's your native language
[10:14] (oc80z) http://bushpowerpants.ytmnd.com/
[10:14] (DarthBurg) DeDannan not a requirement, tho it is in Obama
[10:14] (oc80z) DarthBurg is it at important to learn other languages other than Engrish?
[10:14] (DarthBurg) s case.
[10:15] ({GZ}dr4ev) yes
[10:15] (Change08) finally once and for all our troops will be safely at home instead of that shithole country iraq
[10:15] (DarthBurg) oc80z not for the democrat nomination
[10:15] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[10:15] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[10:15] (Change08) Obama in 08!
[10:15] (DarthBurg) Obama going to surrender to Iraq?
[10:17] (redfish) i would like nuclear power pants
[10:17] (DarthBurg) yes please
[10:18] * DarthBurg offers his back yard
[10:18] (TWThomas) Obama is going to surrender the United States of America to everything that can throw a white flag at us
[10:18] (Change08) darthburg its not surendering. we already destroyed saddams military and took him out of power
[10:18] (Change08) as our commander in chief said
[10:18] (Change08) MISSION ACOMMPLISHED
[10:18] (Change08) now lets stop wasting billions on some raghead iraqis who hate eachother
[10:19] (TWThomas) Change08 : fuck off you hater
[10:19] (DarthBurg) Change08 so, reality does not have a whole lot to do with your position then?
[10:19] (TWThomas) The Shiites and the Sunnites and Kurds want to work together.
[10:19] (TWThomas) They are really working together
[10:19] (DarthBurg) the Mission Accomplished Banner really sticks in the democrats craw
[10:20] (Change08) twthomas i doubt that. but either way i dont give a rats ass if they are working together or not
[10:20] (Change08) our job was to get saddam out
[10:20] (Change08) we did that
[10:20] (Change08) now its time to come home
[10:20] (TWThomas) Change08 : you would leave a nation fighting amongst itself so it could hurt other nations ? Like Obama you fail cause we would have to invade again to stop the usage of weapons
[10:21] (DeDannan) a stupid photo op that's come back to haunt dubya..and one I imagine he regrets
[10:21] (redfish) Serbia has retaken control of a stretch of railway line in northern Kosovo, a senior Serb official has said.
[10:21] * RobVanDam cheers
[10:21] (TWThomas) Change08 : you're a idiot
[10:21] (DarthBurg) DeDannan except for the fact that A) it was not a stupid Photo op B) the democrats raz bush for all of his photo ops C) the Air Craft Carrier in question was Decommisioned
[10:21] (pilgrim`) you know... I have always wondered about the US news. Ever notice that when the Stassi and KGB archives were opened, and the monies paid directly into new pockets in the US were revealed YOU NEVER READ WORD ONE about it?
[10:22] (RobVanDam) TWThomas: we established that yesterday
[10:22] (TWThomas) RobVanDam : oh
[10:22] (Change08) twthomas, yes resort to trolling and namecalling instead of logic and common sense
[10:22] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, well..A) yes it was B) so what? and C) not at the time
[10:22] (Change08) carry on
[10:23] (DarthBurg) DeDannan i see, we just ignore reality and go with the Bush Bash, got it.
[10:23] * DarthBurg slaps DeDannan with a wax turkey
[10:23] (DeDannan) correction...the USS Abraham Lincoln is still in active service
[10:24] (DarthBurg) DeDannan Yes, it has to be active on its last cruise.
[10:24] (DarthBurg) shock.
[10:24] (DarthBurg) spin it some more.
[10:24] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, as of now
[10:24] (TWThomas) Change08 : petty insensitive and you would live a region divided and call it mission accomplished thus you make the Middle East one big Civil War area thus what Saddam and Osama bin Laden wanted. .
[10:24] (DeDannan) try getting your facts straight
[10:24] (Change08) iraqis military leaders have all said iraq can take control of their country now and fight terrorists on their own. We did our job in iraq and its time we go home now
[10:24] (TWThomas) leave
[10:24] (redfish) Fans of a US daytime soap opera have launched a campaign demanding that two gay characters kiss more often.
[10:25] (pilgrim`) western front; battle of the Bulge.... seems to me it occured soon after the victory parties were held....
[10:25] (DeDannan) http://www.cvn72.navy.mil/
[10:25] (Change08) TWThomas our military isn't used to fix everyone elses problems. Iraq is capable of handling their country themselves now. you yourself said they are all working together so i agree, now lets go home
[10:25] (DeDannan) pilgrim`, before or after Hitler left the building?
[10:26] (DeDannan) hmmm...about 5 months before if memory serves
[10:26] (DeDannan) kind of a silly analogy, eh?
[10:26] (redfish) youre silly
[10:26] (pilgrim`) Lincoln. humm a Illinois railraod lawyer who's main claim to fame was noding off while watchign the play "Our American Cousin" iirc
[10:26] (DeDannan) redfish wears long underwear in the summer
[10:27] (redfish) dedannan rides a unicycle to work
[10:27] (pilgrim`) sic semper your anus
[10:27] (redfish) he's silly
[10:27] (DarthBurg) DeDannan ok, i was wrong about the Abe being decommisioned, can you admit you were wrong about the stupid photo op? from Your Link, "The marathon deployment ended May 2003 with a historic visit by President George W. Bush, congratulating the ship for its mission accomplished." was it historic, or stupid?
[10:27] (Mobilekem) redfish joggles on his lunch break.
[10:27] * FreeTrad3 changes topic to 'Foreign Policy Dangers are Showing themselves Strongly lately.. We can't avoid conflict, I wish we could. You debate.'
[10:28] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, stupid..because that's not what he said..if you'd like a direct quote..I'll be glad to provide it
[10:28] (TWThomas) Change08 : Our Military is suppose to advise people when they need too and we got Al-Qaida in Iraq that will foment violence and try to drag a Civil War into forfront and hurt the United States of America mission and other Foreign Missions in Iraq.
[10:28] (DarthBurg) DeDannan I see, so once again I admit I am wrong, and you do not. even when reality slaps you in the face. amazing. see, when reality does not jize with my world view, I adjust.
[10:29] (FreeTrad3) Iran making a move in Iraq, Al Queda moving into weak African Countries because they cant beat us in Iraq or Afghanistan.. The world is getting more dangerous and withdrawal is the worst policy possible for national security. CHavez has threatened war with Columbia.
[10:29] (Change08) twthomas last i checked things are going good in iraq, the iraqis military is mainly running the show, and like you said yourself everyone is working together...iraq can and needs to take care of itself. now lets stop wasting hundreds of billions and thousands of americans lives and focus our military on more serious issues. Like pakistan granting al qaeda imunity and free reigne to operate in their country
[10:30] (TWThomas) Change08 is a Obama Drone
[10:30] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, again..that's not what he said..
[10:30] (pilgrim`) did you read how the Russians are callign Iran ont he nuke fibs?
[10:30] (DarthBurg) DeDannan what who said? you said it was a stupid photo op.
[10:30] (FreeTrad3) Lincoln was not a Railroad Lawyer for any length of time he was a shop keeper and adventurer, he wore many hats, he started stump speeching against Slavery in Illinois at a pretty young age and made a try for politics and headed down the mississipi for adventures.
[10:30] (Change08) TWThomas, yes...again resort to childish attacks because your logic is failed
[10:31] (DarthBurg) Change08, needs a clue.
[10:31] (pilgrim`) Free look it up lad Illinois Central to be specific. He was representign them in a lucrative case envlolving land deals
[10:31] (FreeTrad3) General Sherman was a lawyer but we think of him as a General because more of his life was spent in the military, he was also a banker and head of the California Militia (At least northern CA)
[10:31] (TWThomas) Change08 : Obama wants to invade Pakistan which by your tone will be faceless and baseless invasion
[10:31] (FreeTrad3) SF
[10:31] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, and it was
[10:32] (FreeTrad3) Pilgrim, I know his biography. He was a Lawyer but that was just one part of his life he was a heck of a lot more.
[10:32] (DarthBurg) according to the website you posted, it was "Historic" is that what qualifies it as stupid?
[10:32] (FreeTrad3) He was a great President, one of our best.
[10:32] (Change08) twthomas, 1) obama doesnt want to invade pakistan. He wants to strike the huge al qaeda bases in pakistan because al qaeda is our enemy. If you like al qaeda thats your thing, i for one dont
[10:33] (FreeTrad3) Change08,m If it was so easy to capture Usama Bin Laden and take out Al Queda in one of the worst battle regions in the world we would have done so by now, Obama can do not an Iota more than we have done.
[10:33] (DarthBurg) oh, I get it, historically stupid, because the media said so.
[10:33] (Change08) i question how much you really love and care about americas safety twothomas. you want a majority of our resources in a country that is and can fight al qaeda on their own. But then when there is a country that grants imunity to al qaeda and allows them to regroup and regain strength you dont want to touch them
[10:34] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, sorry..since you're not paying attention..time to move on
[10:34] (DarthBurg) voting for Obama does not show a clear sign of loving america or americans.
[10:34] (FreeTrad3) You can send a million troops and unless you want to alienate Pakistan and violate thier Sovereignty and for that matter we dont have proof positive he is in pakistan and we have no clue where to bomb.
[10:34] (FreeTrad3) So on that issue Obama is blowing Smoke.
[10:34] * TimeFX is now known as TimeAFK
[10:34] (FreeTrad3) Look this con man is going to fall like a house of cards when people look at the real man.
[10:34] (DarthBurg) DeDannan since I do not share your flawed opinion, and you do not want to answer my questions, you will move along, you mean.
[10:35] (FreeTrad3) Which so far even the media admits they havent done.
[10:35] (FreeTrad3) They have been fawning over him.
[10:35] (FreeTrad3) Hes a joke
[10:35] (Change08) freetrad3 the pakistani government just cut deals with al qaeda letting them operate freely. they arent hiding. we know where al qaeda in pakistan is. they are regaining power. Now if you want another 9/11 i dont agree with you but me personally i support not allowing al qaeda to operate freely and bombing the shit out of their open bases before they get too large and we have another 9/11
[10:35] ({GZ}dr4ev) FreeTrad3 so are you sayign hillary clinton is better.. her whoel campaign is to spew racial untones about obamas name ..
[10:35] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, opinions are opinions..I'm entitled you know...and I don't give a shit what you think about them...nor I yours
[10:35] (FreeTrad3) Hes been in the Senate and had no opportunity to vote on Iraq so we don't know at the time how he would have voted.
[10:35] ({GZ}dr4ev) she voted for nafta
[10:36] (FreeTrad3) All the other Dems most of them vote for it, including Hillary siting thier own reasons, and He has very little experience in the US Senate.
[10:36] (TWThomas) Change08 : you talking about Pakistan where they have the Nuclear Weapons real ones and fomenting violence in Pakistan could create a revolution and thus take the control of the Nuclear Weapons out of the Current President Pervez Musharrif's grip of protection.
[10:36] * Sub-LSU is now known as Sublimer
[10:36] (FreeTrad3) Nafta has been good for this country as a whole.
[10:36] (FreeTrad3) YOu cant act for the few and punish the many..
[10:36] (DarthBurg) DeDannan true enough. again, you dodge and you weave. a tactic I am becoming very sensitive to. especially with moderates, leftists, and Democrats.
[10:36] (FreeTrad3) thats not fair to the whole nation.
[10:37] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, alrighty..since you insist...repost the question you want me to answer
[10:37] (DarthBurg) word games make debate not.
[10:37] (FreeTrad3) Darth, Whats wrong with Moderates ?
[10:37] ({GZ}dr4ev) FreeTrad3 but nadta hurt the very people that hillary is tryign to gain the vote of .. Ohio
[10:37] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, indeed they don't..and you're becoming a master of word games
[10:37] ({GZ}dr4ev) nafta*
[10:37] (DarthBurg) FreeTrad3 to much like leftists and democrats, you know that.
[10:37] (FreeTrad3) As Bill Kristol said as a solid conservative, McCain ought to run as a moderate as the real McCain and he will kick ass, if he runs as a conservative he will lose (Meaning too far as a conservative)
[10:37] (Change08) We've done a great job in iraq, saddam is out of power. they are a free country. the violence is down. everyone is coming together to fight al qaeda. We've done our job
[10:37] (Change08) now its time to come home
[10:37] (FreeTrad3) Americans are sick of far right conservatives.
[10:38] (FreeTrad3) Immigraiton in a recent poll was 3% of voters concerns in one state.
[10:38] (FreeTrad3) No we are not like leftists and democrats at all.
[10:38] (DarthBurg) DeDannan well, I would almost take that as a compliment. my question to you was "who said what" I assumed the answer was "Bush did not speak about the Abe's mission" or some such...
[10:38] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, and he didn't
[10:38] (FreeTrad3) We want tax breaks for corporations and we want to keep the Bush tax cuts permanent.
[10:38] (FreeTrad3) We are as different from the left as anyone but we are not extreme righ.
[10:38] (Change08) woah lag
[10:38] (DarthBurg) Bill Kyrstal may be a conservative, if you compare him to alan colmes. compared to an actual conservative, he is just another lefty.
[10:39] (FreeTrad3) we= I consider myself a moderate.
[10:39] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, he made no mention of it whatsoever in his remarks
[10:39] (DarthBurg) DeDannan funny, i guess i listened to a different speech.
[10:39] (FreeTrad3) Moderation is wisdom, sometimes you dont compromise sometimes you do.
[10:39] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, funny...here
[10:39] (FreeTrad3) the gang of 14 was brilliant but Obama wasnt on it.
[10:39] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, funny...here's the transcript
[10:39] (Change08) twthomas exactl you are right...pakistan has nuke weapons...all the more reason NOT TO ALLOW AL QAEDA TO SET UP SHOP
[10:39] (FreeTrad3) His bi partisan speak is bullshit, McCain has walked the walk.
[10:39] (Change08) duh
[10:39] (DarthBurg) DeDannan and if it has a single reference to the Abe, are you wrong, or not?
[10:40] (FreeTrad3) McCain can unite Republicans, Independents, Democrats and others.
[10:40] (TWThomas) Change08 : please stop your babbling it hurts you.
[10:40] (DeDannan) http://www.cvn72.navy.mil/
[10:40] (DeDannan) shit
[10:40] (FreeTrad3) And I have a bet.. a Number of HIllarys votes will go to McCain, not a whole lot but much more than would be typical in a race.
[10:40] (oc80z) good.
[10:41] (DeDannan) http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030501-15.html
[10:41] (DeDannan) there
[10:41] (DarthBurg) Moderation, in ht eUS, does not exist, the definition of a good moderate is a republican who grows Government at a slightly slower rate than a democrat. if we had actual moderates, it would stand to reason some GOV would shrink from time to time, this never happens.
[10:41] (Change08) twthomas, once again you have to resort to personal insults because you are losing an arguement
[10:41] (FreeTrad3) Not because McCain is liberal or left, but because the enmity between the two campaigns wont heal 100% on the democratic side and there are a loto of moderate to conservative dems whose choice is McCain a moderate or a far lefty.
[10:41] (FreeTrad3) I think they will overwhelmingly before this is over go for McCain.
[10:41] (Change08) twthomas it dissapoints me another american actually likes al qaeda and has no problem with them getting big or having access to nukes
[10:41] (Change08) shame on you
[10:42] (FreeTrad3) TWT( I dont see a need to attack Change08 personally. Debate him on topic, attack his positions,not him.
[10:42] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, now..find anywhere in that transcript where Bush makes any mission of the Abe Lincoln's mission..."mission accomplished" anything...
[10:42] (FreeTrad3) If we on the right cant win on issues and we have to resort to name calling we dont deserve to win.
[10:43] (DarthBurg) DeDannan he says abe lincoln in the first paragraph, we just supposed to ignore that? and the fact he was standing on the boat? we ignore that to?
[10:43] (FreeTrad3) If your talking about the battleship, Bush meant obviously Mission Accomplished in the downfall of Saddam and the military defeat of Saddam.
[10:43] (FreeTrad3) Obviously
[10:43] (Change08) ty freetrad3. i dont care with people diagreeing on issues. but resorting to attacking chatters makes you look bad
[10:43] ({GZ}dr4ev) FreeTrad3 if obama promises change and he is elected and dont change then get his ass out of there. .but dont bash him if he is telling you from the heart he wants to change america for the better
[10:43] (FreeTrad3) It was probably a bad PR move, whoevers idea it was, whether it was the military or Bushs..
[10:43] (FreeTrad3) But it was a true victory.
[10:44] (FreeTrad3) THere are phases to this war, there have been many phases.
[10:44] (DeDannan) FT, would you explain that to DarthBurg please...I'm not having much luck
[10:44] ({GZ}dr4ev) he wants to start from withing and buuild up our economy first then help the outside world
[10:44] (FreeTrad3) Ded, ahh.. Well Darth, that is the truth.
[10:44] (Pinki) Ugh...just finished doing my bfs taxes
[10:44] (FreeTrad3) Obviously after that battle we had the insurgency and al queda battles, or phase of the war.
[10:44] (DeDannan) I said it was a stupid photo op...and it was
[10:45] ({GZ}dr4ev) how much are you guys gettign back Pinki?
[10:45] (FreeTrad3) We had a civil war phase in the war.
[10:45] (DarthBurg) DeDannan no, I get it, since Bush's speech was on the over all war on terror we have to ignore what he actual said, and where he actually was.
[10:45] ({GZ}dr4ev) enought to start a family?
[10:45] (e-Hernick) issues? the issues are clear and simple... my political opponents are corrupt traitors who have been betraying america for decades, and if my political opponents get their stooges into the white house, it'll be the end of america as we know it - recession, massive civil unrest, and countless calamities would fall upon america...
[10:45] (Change08) it just boggles my mind that pakistan grants al qaeda imunity. al qaeda is now rebuilding in pakistan and operating freely. Growing in strength and raising money and plotting new attacks on america. But no one seems concerned with that.....instead we want to keep spending hundreds of billions on iraq which is improving dramatically and they are now capable of taking care of themselves
[10:45] (FreeTrad3) we won them.. it looked for awhile like we might nor or it would be a long haul to win them, but we are not at a stage of reconciliation between former enemies in Iraq who are Iraqis.
[10:45] (Pinki) GZ: We wont be starting a family any time soon...but I'm getting back $2k and he's getting back $3,600
[10:46] (Change08) we've done a gret job in iraq, the war has been a success. but now its time we allow iraqi to take care of themselves
[10:46] (DarthBurg) oh wait, we factor in where Bush actually was when he gave the speech, and THATS why its stupid, I get it now!
[10:46] (TWThomas) FreeTrad3 : I don't need to attack Change08 at all cause of his comments
[10:46] (FreeTrad3) If that succeeds as it has been we are well on the way to winning our objectives and in a position for troop draw down based on conditions on the ground.
[10:46] (Change08) twthomas, but you still resort to childish attacks
[10:46] (Change08) thats the point
[10:46] (DeDannan) DarthBurg, sorry..not going to let you twist my point...it was a stupid photo op..that's my opinion..and I seriously doubt I'm alone in that..you're trying now to make it something it's not...
[10:46] (DarthBurg) I never claimed it was not a photo op.
[10:47] (DarthBurg) I just do not hate bush for doing it, makes me the odd man out.
[10:47] (FreeTrad3) TWT, he is on the left, he is obviously an easy target on this channel for personal attacks, all I request unless he attacks you is to debate issues not make personal attacks.
[10:47] (DeDannan) and since I'm under no obligation to defend arguments I'm not making...
[10:47] (DarthBurg) understood.
[10:47] (FreeTrad3) Ive been trying to emphasize this more than ever lately because I really want fair discussion on this channel.
[10:47] (DeDannan) who the hell said anything about "hating bush"?
[10:47] * enblahmen is now known as enjoyment
[10:47] (DarthBurg) I did.
[10:48] (DeDannan) again..not an argument I made
[10:48] (DarthBurg) the man is hated, Democrats have lowered the level of debate to whining over his photo ops.
[10:48] (DeDannan) who's whining?
[10:48] (FreeTrad3) The right has attacked Bush pretty harshly too.
[10:48] (DarthBurg) I get cursed at in public for pointing out that america is not so bad, and its not the republicans fault.
[10:48] (Change08) twthomas it doesnt bother you at all the pakistan has granted imunity to al qaeda ? it doesnt bother you they are regaining power and strength and money by being able to operate freely in pakistan ?
[10:48] (DeDannan) again..who's whining?
[10:48] (redfish) dedannan a lot of people pretending bush meant something by mission accomplished other than what he did
[10:48] (DarthBurg) I have "Attacked" Bush pretty harshly.
[10:49] (DarthBurg) since I attack Bush for the same reason I attack Moderates and Democrats, I am A) A minority B) consistent
[10:49] ({GZ}dr4ev) DarthBurg the peopel who made the decision to goto war was republican.. what are you talking about
[10:49] ({GZ}dr4ev) the subprime mortgage was the repbulicans fault
[10:49] (DeDannan) redfish, and understandably so..since it was a pretty vague notion that was left unexplained
[10:49] (TWThomas) Change08 : stop saying I like Al-Qaida cause Obama doesn't understand that invading Pakistan could foment violence and make Al-Qaida stronger which make them turn Pakistan into what they want and that is a Nuclear Weapon. We should work with Pakistan both groups the Opposition Groups and Pervez Musharrif and make Pakistan secure.
[10:49] (DarthBurg) um, congress voted for it, and more importantly, congress funded it.
[10:49] (DarthBurg) reality check please
[10:50] (FreeTrad3) I am one of the rare people these days who think Bush is and will be a great president when history writes his bio in 50 years.
[10:50] (FreeTrad3) The left doesnt like him, the right has a mixed relationship with him..
[10:50] (FreeTrad3) I love him
[10:50] (redfish) dedannan if you have a transcript of the speech, youll see he says theres still a lot more work to be done in iraq
[10:50] (FreeTrad3) Darth, Great, welcome to the minority world ;) Most of us have something in our lives which probably make us a minority, for me its my familys race and also being a republican in itself is a minority ;)
[10:50] ({GZ}dr4ev) bush used executive power to attack iraq
[10:50] (redfish) dedannan so its not that vague
[10:51] (DarthBurg) FreeTrad3 thats not my point, and you know it. being a republican just means you are not a populist, and subject to the media's winds of change.
[10:51] (DeDannan) redfish, maybe..but what's remembered are the visuals...not the last couple of paragraphs in a speech
[10:51] (FreeTrad3) Hey what kind of audio is best for DVDs ?
[10:51] (DarthBurg) i shoudl say conservative, not republican, as republicans are not all that conservative these days
[10:52] (FreeTrad3) Dolby ?
[10:52] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: what do you mean by "best" ? All commonly used DVD audio formats have comparable sound quality..
[10:52] ({GZ}dr4ev) pcm
[10:52] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: DTS has more channels
[10:52] (DarthBurg) FreeTrad3 I like DTS, DIgital Theatre Sounds
[10:52] (FreeTrad3) In cutting a dvd video for tc..
[10:52] (FreeTrad3) er tv
[10:52] (FreeTrad3) AC3/6
[10:52] (e-Hernick) AC3 is good
[10:53] (FreeTrad3) Sometimes 5.1 ?
[10:53] (FreeTrad3) Or I forget the name.
[10:53] (FreeTrad3) To save quality
[10:53] (Change08) twthomas no one has ever mentioned invading pakistan. stop lying. We have said we should strike al qaeda military bases if and when pakistan refuses to do so. Now if you disagree with that then i have no choice to say that you support al qaeda. And dont give me that nukes bullcrap, thats more the reason to stop al qaeda from taking over pakistan. You want al qaeda to have nukes ? BTW WMD didnt stop us from invading iraq
[10:53] (FreeTrad3) But not lose sound.
[10:53] (e-Hernick) well, don't encode in 5.1 or DTS if you don't have multichannel sound to start with
[10:53] (FreeTrad3) OK there you go
[10:53] (e-Hernick) if you're starting with a stereo sound source, AC3 / 2.0 channels would be fine
[10:53] (DarthBurg) 5.1 is dolby format. IE four channels + voice center channel and a sub
[10:53] (FreeTrad3) thats the name I am lookign for, What is DTS or 5.1 ?
[10:54] (FreeTrad3) So is that like stereo ?
[10:54] (FreeTrad3) Or Home theater i mean ?
[10:54] (e-Hernick) stereo is 2.0, 2 channels no bass channel.. 5.1 is 5 channels plus one bass channel
[10:54] (FreeTrad3) And if you dont have a home theater but might get one later is 5.1 the way to go and will it work with both ?
[10:54] (bun-bun) 7.1
[10:54] (DarthBurg) prolly best to say Dolby 5.2 and Digitial Theatre Sound are home theatre sound formats
[10:54] (DarthBurg) 5.1^
[10:54] (FreeTrad3) I can get much better sound quality on a recording if I pick one sound type.
[10:55] (bun-bun) given that there are 7.1 discrete formats now
[10:55] (e-Hernick) Dolby Digital is also known as AC3
[10:55] (DarthBurg) yeah, 7.1 is not widely supported yet.
[10:55] (FreeTrad3) 7.1 is rarely a choice.. its usually DTS And 5.1 or Dolby Regular or old fashioned I dont want they are.
[10:55] (bun-bun) DD+, dts-hd, dolby-truehd, etc
[10:55] (|mperitus) I'm no expert but it seems to me that 99% ofthe homes I've seen aren't set up to fully take advantae of 5.1 let alone any of the newere setups such as 7.1
[10:55] (bun-bun) blu-ray basically
[10:55] (e-Hernick) if you start with a stereo sound source, it's useless to encode in 5.1 or DTS
[10:55] (DarthBurg) I like DTS the best.
[10:56] (FreeTrad3) DTS ?
[10:56] (DarthBurg) gets the amp the hottest
[10:56] (FreeTrad3) Good for home theaters or not ?
[10:56] (FreeTrad3) Either ?
[10:56] (DarthBurg) Digitial Theatre Sound.
[10:56] (FreeTrad3) I would really like to pick one.
[10:56] (bun-bun) Digital Theater Sound, sony thing
[10:56] (DarthBurg) home theatre must have
[10:56] (e-Hernick) also, there are many variants of each standard
[10:56] (DarthBurg) is it a sony thing? shame
[10:56] (FreeTrad3) Oh thats an acronymn theater sound, never knew that.
[10:56] (bun-bun) yeah
[10:56] (e-Hernick) you can encode Dolby Digital in dozens if not hundreds of different ways
[10:56] (FreeTrad3) Im pretty ignorant about this kind of stuff.
[10:56] (DarthBurg) bun-bun explains much!
[10:56] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: what's your video source
[10:56] (e-Hernick) where does your video and sound come from?
[10:57] (bun-bun) I think SDDS is too
[10:57] (DarthBurg) typically DVD in my house.
[10:57] (e-Hernick) what are you encoding? some video off a camcorder?
[10:57] (FreeTrad3) Well lets say I have a friend who is a college media guy and he does a pro movie in 8 gig and I need to compress it and get the best quality ?
[10:57] (DarthBurg) which either means DTS or 5.1 pro logic
[10:57] * bun-bun picking up a marantz sr-8002 soon to get the 7.1 discrete stuff
[10:57] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: what's the sound format of the source material
[10:57] (FreeTrad3) If i cut out some sound streams I can improve quality alot when I put it on a 4.x Disk
[10:57] (Nemes) i prefer SPC
[10:57] (DarthBurg) bun-bun funny story, I have a sony amp, prolly why DTS sounds so good
[10:57] (Nemes) allot better
[10:58] (FreeTrad3) SPC isnt usually an option with the programs I use.
[10:58] (bun-bun) DB well DTS is roughly 2x the 'resolution' of dd 5.1
[10:58] (DarthBurg) it sounds good, a noticable difference
[10:58] (bun-bun) its cd quality on all three fronts, etc
[10:58] (bun-bun) yeah you should hear uncompressed stuff :)
[10:58] (Change08) sems like a lot of republicans dont really care about stopping terrorism and al qaeda. they care more about looking 'right' on the war in iraq. We they truly cared about stopping al qaeda than they would support bombing al qaeda bases in ANY country that refuses to go after al qaeda. Pakistan being one of those countries
[10:58] (bun-bun) thats why i'm buying the sr-8002
[10:59] (FreeTrad3) You familiar with clone DVD ? For my UCBerkeley media friends to put their productions on smaller disks.. It gives you the option of cutting out things like spanish langauge French and sound types and other things.
[10:59] ({GZ}dr4ev) u can separate the video and audio streams and encode them however you like then recombine them
[10:59] (FreeTrad3) But the choices are usually limited..
[10:59] (DarthBurg) Change08 yes yes, if we truly cared we would be a surrender monkey just like you, what kind of stereo do you have?
[10:59] (bun-bun) actually audio isn't really combined for dvds
[10:59] (FreeTrad3) I cant get too high tech, these programs work fine.
[10:59] (bun-bun) dvdshrink works with nero and is free FT
[11:00] (FreeTrad3) Darth ? Why do you have to call him a monkey come on, hes not a bad guy..
[11:00] (Change08) darthburg...surrdender monkey?? I'm the one saying we go after al qaeda!
[11:00] (DarthBurg) FreeTrad3 sorry
[11:00] (FreeTrad3) Yeah CloneDVD is easier and has liftime upgrades.
[11:00] (bun-bun) ok need to go into eBay and do my exit interview
[11:00] ({GZ}dr4ev) encode with divx or avc
[11:00] (DarthBurg) Change08 I apologize, I should have said "Frenchman"
[11:00] (FreeTrad3) Also 1 click DVD pro is also very good
[11:00] (Nemes) lol
[11:01] (bun-bun) i've used 123copydvd and dvdnextcopy they've all had various issues
[11:01] (bun-bun) dvdshrink has been flawless
[11:01] (DarthBurg) Change08 so we invade pakistan?
[11:01] (FreeTrad3) Neither will rip legal coes, I used DVD shrink originally but these programs are better
[11:01] (DarthBurg) Change08 or do we just write them a nasty letter?
[11:01] (bun-bun) well depends on what you know I guess :)
[11:01] (FreeTrad3) Of course i would never rip a protected DVD
[11:01] (bun-bun) i do
[11:01] (FreeTrad3) Im a good boy )
[11:01] (Change08) darthburg, i never said invade pakistan. I said strike the huge sprawling al qaeda bases that operate freely in pakistan.. Now if you want al qaeda to operate freely and do another 9/11 thats on you, personally i dont though
[11:01] (bun-bun) ones that i own that are not replacable
[11:02] (bun-bun) like MST3K: the movie
[11:02] (DarthBurg) ok, so we attack inside pakistan, but not actually attack or invade pakistan.
[11:02] (DarthBurg) is that right?
[11:02] (Change08) darthburg we can strike al qaeda without launching an invasion on pakistan...look what we did in somlia today. perfect example
[11:02] (Change08) darthburg we do the same thing we did in somilia today
[11:02] (DarthBurg) Change08 we killed more terrorists in somalia? cool.
[11:03] (FreeTrad3) Change08, that was an invasion of Somalia Soveriegnty unless we had their permission.
[11:03] (DarthBurg) I will have to look up the methods
[11:03] (bun-bun) i also 'ripped' a set of robin of sherwood as the region 1 dvds i bought were like 150 pounds.. fscking REALLY expensive
[11:03] (Nemes) Change08,, countries cant just go lobbing missiles inside whichever country they want and say were after specific targets
[11:03] (FreeTrad3) Which we may have but it wont come out probably if we did.
[11:03] (Nemes) worlld doesnt work like that
[11:03] (FreeTrad3) And pakistan now is getting harder.
[11:03] (redfish) Skin secretions from a South American "shrinking" frog could be used to treat type 2 diabetes, researchers say.
[11:03] (bun-bun) so i keep the orginals on the shelf and watch the copies
[11:03] (Change08) darthburg, we bombed terrorist targest in somila today
[11:03] (DarthBurg) bombed
[11:03] (DarthBurg) so now troops on the ground?
[11:03] (DarthBurg) no/now
[11:03] (FreeTrad3) Yeah I will agree with Nemes on this, When you lob a missile into a country you have committed an act of war in that country.
[11:04] (Nemes) you have to get props from the govern and work with them
[11:04] (Nemes) sorry "government in question"
[11:04] (_Forbin) WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Authorities said at least two people are dead and five injured after a shooter entered a West Palm Beach Wendy's and shot several people, WPBF News 25 reported.
[11:04] * _Forbin http://www.wpbf.com/news/15474521/detail.html
[11:04] (_Forbin) why do these idots always go to a wendys or mcdonalds
[11:04] (Change08) it boggles my mind that al qaeda has imunity in pakistan and is able to do whatever they want. And some of you so called tuff on terrorism guys in here dont want to attack al qaeda
[11:04] (FreeTrad3) with or without thier permission. With their permission no problem, without it, its a little more complicated but we will still go after AL Queda wherever they are. Bush may have to do a last 6 month heavy enagement of known al queda sites as a last chance before doves may take over the WH
[11:04] (_Forbin) I mean what the f**k
[11:04] (_Forbin) :)\
[11:04] (Nemes) if every country started lobbing missiles at each other and saying "we dont like those guys who are here, here and here" in your country
[11:04] (Change08) i for one support attacking al qaeda WHEREVER they are
[11:05] (Nemes) we'd have ww's
[11:05] (FreeTrad3) I still think McCain will win but there is obviously a fair chance he wont.
[11:05] (Change08) al qaeda is bad and needs to be destroyed, period
[11:05] (bun-bun) holy crap i own too many damn dvds/blu-ray/hd-dvds
[11:05] (FreeTrad3) Bush really believes as I do, Al Queda is a major threat, they are regrouping in Africa like they did before..
[11:05] (DarthBurg) i gotta go
[11:05] (FreeTrad3) And we are not going to wait for them to strike europe or the USA before we strike them in Africa.
[11:05] (DarthBurg) later
[11:05] (bun-bun) me too
[11:06] (Change08) freetrad3, so why do you not care that they are regrouping in pakistan and pakistan has granted them immunity ?
[11:06] (Change08) freetraf3 i agree 100%
[11:06] (Change08) which is why we should also be striking in pakistan, not just africa
[11:06] (FreeTrad3) Because Pakistan Afghanistan we are not going to lose, there are tough battles there. NATO Should be fighting them, this was one of Prince Harrys complaints.
[11:06] (Change08) we should be striking werever al qaeda has major bases
[11:07] (Change08) nato isnt fighting al qaeda in pakistan freetrad3
[11:07] (Change08) no one is
[11:07] (Change08) they have imunity
[11:07] (FreeTrad3) He was fighting on the front line and hes not appreciative that he isnt getting enough support int he UK he is getting support by a lot of good people but not the common man and woman on the street.
[11:07] (Change08) and free reign
[11:07] (FreeTrad3) They arent even wanting to do much in Afghanistan a known terrorist former state.
[11:07] (Change08) you dodged my question
[11:07] (Change08) why do you want to go after al qaeda everywhere except pakistan
[11:07] (Change08) either youw ant to go after al qaeda or you dont
[11:08] (Change08) you cant have it both ways
[11:08] (FreeTrad3) We need Nato to take a much larger role in Afghanistan and not just the UK thats not fair, People arent pulling thier wait the Italians, Spanish, Germans, All of them should be out on the front lines fighting like Marines.
[11:08] (FreeTrad3) wait = weight
[11:08] (FreeTrad3) Al Queda right now is at least as much if not more of a threat to western europe.
[11:08] (FreeTrad3) especially with the easy crossing from Africa to Europe.
[11:08] (FreeTrad3) relatively easy compared to say the USA
[11:09] (Change08) are you going to answer my question ?
[11:09] (Change08) why do you want to go after al qaeda everywhere except pakistan
[11:09] (FreeTrad3) France should commit a sizeable force.
[11:09] (Perojok) hello everybody
[11:09] (FreeTrad3) I am sure the president is willing but the people of France wont fight
[11:09] (FreeTrad3) Its thier lives.
[11:09] (pilgrim`) France made her peace with the moslems long ago and is now the home of the largest moslem population in Europe
[11:09] (pilgrim`) larger the Turkey even
[11:10] (FreeTrad3) for crying out loud, when they get attacked and they will maybe they will change but the problem is maybe those attacks could be prevented by taking a more active role now.
[11:10] (Perojok) you are talking about politics, But it si boring
[11:10] (Change08) freetrad3 could you please answer my question ?
[11:10] (FreeTrad3) Polgrim, French people are very intolerant of muslims
[11:10] (Change08) why do you want to go after al qaeda everywhere EXCEPT pakistan
[11:10] (Change08) the one country where they are granted imunity and operate freely
[11:10] (e-Hernick) Are the french people more or less tolerant of muslims than say, the american people
[11:10] (Nemes) pakistan is already an unstable country, wouldnt take much to tip it over the edge and end up having a coop that we aint prepaired for, and some wacko religous nutt takes over and starts lobbing nukes everywhere while shouting 'allah qba '.
[11:10] (Nemes) cause pakistan is unstable dude
[11:11] (FreeTrad3) there muslim population is not considered real french (There is a french term for it), There unemployment is way higher than the nations and they have segregated them into housing away from your average French citizen.
[11:11] (e-Hernick) In other words, are the french more bigoted against muslims than americans? I'd like to see some polling data on that... I wonder if there's any such data...
[11:11] (Change08) nemes so you're scared of al qaeda...instead of fighting them before they attack us again you want to run away and just hope they choose not to attack us
[11:11] (Change08) great logic
[11:11] (FreeTrad3) France is no friend to muslims or Jews within thier own country.
[11:12] (Nemes) Change08,, nope i just wanna play it smart and not make crucial decisions while ive got a hardon
[11:12] (Nemes) like u would
[11:12] (FreeTrad3) Change08, we have successfully cripled Al Quedas international organization in IRaq..
[11:12] (FreeTrad3) Much better place to fight them than Pakistan
[11:12] (FreeTrad3) THe Marines have just sent more deployments to Afghanistan.
[11:12] (Change08) nemes turning your back on the problem and allowing al qaeda to set up shop is not playing it smart. im sorry. im a firm believer of crushing al qaeda
[11:12] (FreeTrad3) As we win in Iraq more troops will go to Afghanistan.
[11:13] (FreeTrad3) If we leave Iraq, Al Queda will reassert itself in Iraq and Bin Laden could concievably even move there.
[11:13] (Change08) freetrad3 and al qaeda will continue to grow and become stronger in pakistan
[11:13] (pilgrim`) it all started in Algeria
[11:13] (Mobilekem) e-Hernick.... the riots in Paris have a lot to do with the ferocity of anti-Islamic sentiment in France. And yes, European "immigrant issues" tend to be a tad more bitter... largely because of social welfare policies.
[11:13] (Change08) beating al qaeda isnt just running them out of one country so they set up shop in another...its crushing al qaeda wherever they are. weither that be iraq, africa, pakistan, afghanastan
[11:13] (FreeTrad3) Al Queda is going to go to the place of least resistance, so far Pakistan and Afghanistan have geography which support a strong defensive position and a horrible battle field.
[11:13] (Change08) werever al qaeda has a huge base we should be dropping missles on them
[11:13] (oc80z) heh
[11:14] (oc80z) Yeha
[11:14] (oc80z) and blow up weddings
[11:14] (e-Hernick) Mobilekem: well, it gives a whole new meaning to 'fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here'
[11:14] (FreeTrad3) Its much better if we can fight them in Africa or the Middle east.
[11:14] (Nemes) I just think there are smarter ways of dealing with limited thinking folks like them.
[11:14] (Change08) so just give up and dont attack al qaeda because its tuff
[11:14] (Nemes) violence isnt the only answer
[11:14] (Change08) just cave in and claim defeat on america
[11:14] (FreeTrad3) The problem is they are very smart, in a twisted way.
[11:14] (Change08) im sorry but i dont agree with that strategy
[11:14] (e-Hernick) I understand muslim terrorists basically burn down hundreds of cars every night in france
[11:14] (FreeTrad3) They have played obama like a fool and they are praying he wins.
[11:14] (FreeTrad3) The best chance of defeat in Iraq is from within the USA
[11:14] (e-Hernick) and once in a while those muslim terrorists in france organize massive riots
[11:15] (FreeTrad3) e, hell they had a year of riots in france.
[11:15] (pilgrim`) just like Vietnam
[11:15] (FreeTrad3) remember ?
[11:15] (FreeTrad3) Just a couple years ago
[11:15] (e-Hernick) exactly
[11:15] (FreeTrad3) Burning cars left and right, good for the auto industry but not the auto insurance industry
[11:15] (e-Hernick) well, it's not bad for the auto insurance industry
[11:15] (e-Hernick) they just raise their rates
[11:16] (FreeTrad3) Yep, so its bad for the people.
[11:16] (e-Hernick) it's bad for the consumers, this muslim terrorist car-burning
[11:16] (FreeTrad3) Yep
[11:16] (pilgrim`) protesting war is how you end up with a fine ranchero near Pecos, lots of western land and millions int he bank. Ask Jane Finda
[11:16] (Change08) it saddens me so many people are unwilling to fight al qaeda full force
[11:16] (pilgrim`) Fonda
[11:17] (Nemes) anybody who thinks osama is still alive needs to give their brain cells a good scan with a decent antivirus prog if you ask me.
[11:17] (Nemes) guys long since under dirt
[11:17] (FreeTrad3) What needs to happen in Europe is they need to understand its ok to fight a good fight. They have become largely pacifists..
[11:17] (Change08) everything we have acomplished in iraq will be for nothing if we just allow al qaeda to set up base in another country. let a lone in a country where they can get nukes
[11:17] (FreeTrad3) Like we did after Vietnam
[11:17] (pilgrim`) I wonder. was McCain one of the prisoners they paraded in front of Fonda in Hanoi?
[11:18] (e-Hernick) europe is being infiltrated from within by islamists who leech off the social welfare
[11:18] (e-Hernick) while breeding most quickly
[11:18] (FreeTrad3) Pilgrim its been so long I dont remember, but she is still non repentent. She offered a half assed apology but not good enough
[11:19] (pilgrim`) you know, when a American serviceman valliantly tried to palm a note to a fellow American and she turned around and immediatly handed it to the Viet torturer
[11:19] (pilgrim`) sweet lady that
[11:19] (pilgrim`) may she rot in hell
[11:20] (e-Hernick) as the liberals lost the war on vietnam they are now preparing to lose the war on iraq
[11:20] (Change08) for years al qaeda had imunity in afghanstan and built up its bases and strength and we ignored it. As a result we were attack on 9/11...now they have that same imunity and are doing the same thing in pakistan and people want to ignore it again. Just dont say i didnt warn you when al qaeda attacks us again
[11:21] (FreeTrad3) CHange08, Under Clinton yes.
[11:21] (FreeTrad3) And he did nothing virtually.
[11:21] (Change08) i agree...so why are we making the same exact mistake again ?
[11:21] (Change08) al qaeda has been granted imunity in iraq
[11:21] (Change08) they are rebuilding
[11:21] (Change08) getting stronger
[11:22] (Change08) plotting attacks
[11:22] (Change08) and we are doing NOTHING
[11:22] (e-Hernick) no, President Bush is making america safe and crushing al-qaeda in iraq
[11:22] (Change08) did we not learn our lesson ?
[11:22] (Change08) e-hernick i agree we are doing a great job at crushing al qaeda in iraq. al qaeda is in more places than just iraq though
[11:22] (FreeTrad3) Damn DVD quality is better on my computer than my tv, Why is that ?
[11:22] (FreeTrad3) MY DVD Player ?
[11:22] (e-Hernick) indeed, they're also in afghanistan
[11:22] (FreeTrad3) Or my TV ?
[11:22] (pilgrim`) yes we learned out lesson: if you want to hand America away; elect girly men and they will be happy to give a rim job to our enemies
[11:22] (Change08) e-hernick, everything we've accomplished in iraq will be for nothing if al qaeda is able to just set up bases in pakistan and become stronger
[11:22] (FreeTrad3) Or the size ?
[11:23] (Nemes) im been batting around the idea of a one world government lately
[11:23] (FreeTrad3) I want a tough mother fucker in the white house.
[11:23] (Nemes) i quite like the idea
[11:23] (FreeTrad3) And thats McCain;
[11:23] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: the quality of a computer monitor is usually much better than a TV monitor.. plus, your software player on the computer does upscaling that would require a very good DVD player to do on a TV
[11:23] (Change08) nemes, can i be president ?
[11:23] (Nemes) one huge capitalist gobe
[11:23] (FreeTrad3) Domestic policy has more to with congress than the president, the presidents job is foreign policy primarily.
[11:24] (genio) FreeTrad3: a combination of the monitor being a bit better than the TV, the cable leaving from your video card to your monitor, possibly upscaling software on your computer, etc...
[11:24] (FreeTrad3) And what gets me is the dems lie about Bush all the time..
[11:24] (e-Hernick) democrats lies all the time, not just about Bush...
[11:24] (genio) lies go around on both sides all of the time.
[11:24] (FreeTrad3) I want to play a tape by a 511 which shows all the advocating; not going along with, But ADVOCATING Goin to war in IRAQ
[11:24] (Nemes) politics is about lies genio if u ask me
[11:24] (FreeTrad3) Half the democrats who say Bush led us into a false war were big proponents of that war.
[11:24] (Nemes) they all lie
[11:25] (Change08) what gets me is instead of fighting the war on al qaeda full force we are letting them operate freely in some countries but attacking them in others...either we go after al qaeda full force or we dont go after them at all and admit defeat
[11:25] (Change08) personally id rather go after them full force
[11:25] (e-Hernick) Change08: by invading our allies?
[11:25] (e-Hernick) Change08: you want to go to war against nuclear pakistan?
[11:25] (Nemes) Change08, america couldnt just start fighting al q were-ever it pleases
[11:25] (Nemes) dont work like that bud
[11:26] (FreeTrad3) Nemes but when you are record like hillary saying this is a neccesary war, and so many others in the democratic Congress, giving Bush the green light to go to war and when the going gets rough and popularity diminishes for the war they act like they were fooled by Bush. If they were Bush is no moron as they claim hes the smartest man on earth to hood wink all those people who had the same data he had.
[11:26] (Nemes) some countries cooperate some dont
[11:26] (Change08) e-hernick....im sorry but pakistan is NOT our ally if they grant imunity to al qaeda. Working with our enemies is not being our ally
[11:26] (Mobilekem) Change08: By that logic, we would have been bombing Russia in the 60's.
[11:26] (FreeTrad3) The difference in the intelligence Congress and Bush has was virtually none.
[11:26] (Mobilekem) Not a good plan.
[11:26] (e-Hernick) Change08: pakistan is our ally because they have the bomb, we cannot afford for them not to be our allies
[11:26] (FreeTrad3) We had at least 10 nations tell us Saddam had WMD
[11:26] (Change08) nemes, then dont come crying when al aqeda attacks us again
[11:26] (FreeTrad3) Including MI6
[11:26] (FreeTrad3) Israel
[11:26] (e-Hernick) of course it is sad that al-qaeda is harbored by pakistan
[11:26] (e-Hernick) but it's impossible to go against our ally
[11:27] (FreeTrad3) Jordan, Egypt, Probably Saudi But i dont know for sure about them.
[11:27] (FreeTrad3) the UN itself. The French even they were against the war admitted they had wmd.
[11:27] (Change08) e-hernick so because it would be a tuff battle you want to cave into al qaeda ?? I have to disagree with that logic
[11:27] (e-Hernick) Change08: no, it's not caving to al-qaeda
[11:27] (Change08) tuck your tails and run away because al qaeda is hard
[11:27] (Change08) great solution
[11:27] (FreeTrad3) every intelligence agency in the world was fooled by saddam why ? I dont know he committed suicide, I guess he never thought we would actually attack.
[11:27] (e-Hernick) it's admitting that america has allies it cannot do without.. our great allies pakistan, saudi arabia are the two best examples
[11:28] (Nemes) when you look at it now - that intelligence was soo blooming wrong it simply wasn't even in the ball park.
[11:28] (e-Hernick) america must be willing to overlook the failings of her allies
[11:28] (FreeTrad3) Noone has run away from Al queda, we have had special forces on them since the begginng I mean Bin laden, We have been fighting Al Queda in Iraq since 2003.
[11:28] * TimeAFK is now known as TimeFX
[11:29] (FreeTrad3) And Anbar province one assessment said it was lost we couldnt take it.
[11:29] (Change08) e-hernick...granting imunity to al qaeda is not a failure...its working with al qaeda. No either you are against al qaeda or you arent...you cant have it both ways
[11:29] (FreeTrad3) Today we walk the streets of Anbar and american casualties are rare.
[11:29] (FreeTrad3) Rare for war.
[11:29] (Change08) you cant say oh im against al qaeda but because pakistan supports al qaeda im not going to attack al qaeda
[11:29] (FreeTrad3) These are facts.
[11:29] (Change08) NO!@ you are either against al qaeda or you arent
[11:29] (e-Hernick) Change08: now you speak like president bush
[11:29] (FreeTrad3) Al Queda wrote that we were kicking their ass in Iraq and trying to consider a new strategy
[11:29] (Change08) if going after al qaeda causes a massive world war. then thats what it takes. we need to stop alqaeda, period
[11:30] (FreeTrad3) Iraqis are much happier.
[11:30] (e-Hernick) Change08: look, al-qaeda is being harbored by a nation with nuclear weapons
[11:30] (e-Hernick) we can't go up against that
[11:30] (genio) I personally think the death toll has gone up a LOT since the war started. I didn't agree with it from the beginning. I think it was dumb to do, but I also don't think we should even be considering leaving at this point.
[11:30] (Nemes) that would turn into a race/religion war Change08
[11:30] (Nemes) folk just wouldnt allow it
[11:30] (oc80z) heh
[11:30] (FreeTrad3) Irans tyrant is there now and they are treating him fine but reporters say the people who they interview dont trust Iran at all.
[11:30] (FreeTrad3) but they do have economic relations and they do have to live next to each other.
[11:31] (FreeTrad3) THye lost a million people in the war between them.
[11:31] (Change08) e-hernick...fine if you think we cant beat al qaeda and want to wave the white flag thats on you. Me personally id rather beat al qaeda than surrender and wave a white flag like you want to do
[11:31] (Change08) 'oh al qaeda is tuff, lets not go after them'
[11:31] (Change08) you win mr al qaeda
[11:31] (Change08) pffft
[11:31] (Change08) fuck that
[11:31] (FreeTrad3) COmpared to like 80-100k in Our war.WHich was for the liberation of Iraq not the conquest
[11:31] (FreeTrad3) THast includes coalition deaths.
[11:31] (FreeTrad3) KIAs
[11:31] (Nemes) see even right now because of al q and the rise in islamist terrorism, this whole problem is bordering on being a religous war.
[11:32] (Nemes) its really on the fence
[11:32] (FreeTrad3) Actually more and more Islamic states are backing us.
[11:32] (genio) FreeTrad3: but I'm not sure it's fair to call it a liberation yet. The green zone is small and there are bombings quite frequently. They are far from being liberated yet.
[11:32] (FreeTrad3) We are more popular in islamic countries than we were before the war.
[11:32] (Change08) ok i have to get to work...keep being soft on al qaeda people. just dont cry to me if you lose someone you love in an attack on america
[11:32] (Nemes) god help us if al q bring the crosshairs on israel
[11:32] (genio) It's far from over.
[11:32] * Change08 is now known as ChangeAFK
[11:32] (Nemes) israel wont take not shit from them
[11:32] (FreeTrad3) IN indonesia we are very popular largely because of generosity to them during their natural disastor.
[11:32] (FreeTrad3) And also Kuwaitis love us.
[11:33] (FreeTrad3) Iraqis now like us more than ever.
[11:33] (FreeTrad3) Pakistanis have mixed feelings.
[11:33] (FreeTrad3) Afghans like us.
[11:33] (e-Hernick) the iraqis have been greetings americans as liberators since 2003
[11:33] (FreeTrad3) who else.
[11:34] (FreeTrad3) Albamians and Kosovo love us, we have an over 80% approval rating with them.
[11:34] (FreeTrad3) becuase of the serbian war.
[11:34] (Nemes) saudis are in americas pocket
[11:34] (Nemes) or is that other waya round
[11:34] (Nemes) hehe
[11:34] (Nemes) :)
[11:34] (oc80z) whats funny about that.
[11:34] (Nemes) i thought it was funny
[11:34] (FreeTrad3) Saudi Government is very friendly to the US(, People and groups in Saudi Arabia hate us, and some like us. but there is a lot of hatred of us.
[11:34] (FreeTrad3) Btu that is not new.
[11:34] (e-Hernick) yes, lots of hatred that was reflected on 9/11..
[11:35] (FreeTrad3) That was 20 saudi individuals, hard to judge a country on the basis of 20 criminals in their own country
[11:35] (Nemes) saudi royal family is only country EVER in the history of the US mint fed - to have been given dollar print plates and press
[11:35] (FreeTrad3) Saudis woudl have hung all of them had they caught them ahead of time.
[11:35] (Nemes) happened many many decades
[11:35] (Nemes) but they're the only ones
[11:36] (Nemes) thats how close the saudi's are to the us
[11:36] (Nemes) and vice versa
[11:36] (FreeTrad3) What /
[11:36] (FreeTrad3) Saudis have never been able to print US Money.
[11:36] (FreeTrad3) Where did you get that ?
[11:36] (e-Hernick) Bandar Bush 4 President!
[11:36] (Nemes) saudi were given a us dolalr plate
[11:37] (Nemes) and a press
[11:37] (Nemes) but only 1 side of the plate
[11:37] (FreeTrad3) America has jealously guarded out plates for making money for ever and now we created new plates so it cant be counterfeited very easy at all.
[11:37] (Nemes) as a jesture i forget when
[11:37] (Nemes) sort of a mutual handshake thing
[11:37] (FreeTrad3) Now why would they have that ? Doesnt make any sense.
[11:37] (Pinki) Nemes: Yeah they did...but we have since changed the money...it's not valid anymore
[11:37] (FreeTrad3) I would love to see a source for this.
[11:38] (FreeTrad3) WHo said michael Moore ?
[11:38] (Nemes) was given to the saudis as a sort of mutual handshake thing
[11:38] (FreeTrad3) We dont shake hands that way we never needed
[11:38] (FreeTrad3) tto
[11:38] (Pinki) FreeTrad3: I don't have a source but I believe I saw it on the History channel
[11:38] (FreeTrad3) All we had to do is promise to defend saudi Arabia in exchange for oil and they loved that.
[11:38] (FreeTrad3) History channel lies all the time
[11:39] (Nemes) they did when that happened, it was to do with a long term deal over the oil stores
[11:39] (Nemes) i forget the full details
[11:39] (FreeTrad3) I know the former undersecretary of the treasury who was the financial advisor to the king of Saudi Arabia when he was around and ruling
[11:39] (FreeTrad3) Here is where you are confused.
[11:40] (FreeTrad3) they wouldn take dollars so we minted Gold coins for them
[11:40] (FreeTrad3) gold coins cant be counterfeited
[11:40] (FreeTrad3) you need gold
[11:40] (FreeTrad3) Major difference.
[11:40] (FreeTrad3) American companies payed royalties to Saudi Arabia in bullion gold coins, ... the Saudi government did not accept paper money,
[11:41] (e-Hernick) I'm sure saudi arabia would also accept payment in weapons-grade plutonium
[11:41] (FreeTrad3) It wasnt US Currency mints..
[11:41] (FreeTrad3) A gold mint is no big deal because its based on the value of gold, and same with silver..
[11:41] (FreeTrad3) Its not counterfeitable unless you paint lead gold.
[11:42] (FreeTrad3) And some sucker falls for it.
[11:42] (FreeTrad3) YOu made it sound like we allowed them to print US money
[11:42] (FreeTrad3) didnt happen.
[11:42] (FreeTrad3) anyway
[11:42] (FreeTrad3) Oh man
[11:42] (pilgrim`) $981.10 current NY spot
[11:43] (FreeTrad3) I would be very careful owning gold right now,
[11:43] (pilgrim`) why?
[11:43] (FreeTrad3) remember when silver lost half its value overnight ?
[11:43] (pilgrim`) I have for 20 years or better
[11:43] (FreeTrad3) precious metals are not neccesarily either.
[11:43] (pilgrim`) I rememebr when the Hunt brothers screwed the market
[11:43] (FreeTrad3) Buy low sell high.
[11:43] (FreeTrad3) its at a high.
[11:44] (Pickle`) Relative to yesterday.
[11:44] (Pickle`) Relative to tomorrow... Well, the principle of random walk tells us that we can't know that.
[11:44] (pilgrim`) it is not changed more then a fraction in value due to a few newer gold mines coming online
[11:44] (FreeTrad3) It may be good for awhile but ultimately it will not be forever.. as the dollar gains strength which might take some time but eventuallly it will happen, gold will go down
[11:44] (pilgrim`) DOLLARS have chnaged. Gold has remained relativly constant
[11:45] (FreeTrad3) And its over bought right now as a defensive market play
[11:45] (FreeTrad3) Most market players are avoided gold.
[11:45] (FreeTrad3) Even people who have been in it for the last 10 years.
[11:45] (Nemes) all metals are doing brilliantly i heard
[11:45] (Nemes) steel lead
[11:45] (Nemes) cause of china
[11:45] (Nemes) hungry for metal
[11:46] (FreeTrad3) Gold is a fear play a defensive play and the price rises with fear and a bad economy but when things change as they always do it becomes a risky investment, I would cash out now and preserve that equity.. or at least keep no more than 20% of my assets in commodities such as gold.
[11:46] (pilgrim`) if you look at commoditioes: cotton, copper, corn wheat rice etc etc. and comapre gold. If you rcompare values with the dollar taken out of the equation (X pounds of wheat to y pork bellies to Z oz gold the ratio is (baring seasonable fluctuation) about what it was int he 1980s or even the 1970s
[11:46] (FreeTrad3) Gold benefits from a weak dollar as bullion is seen as an alternative asset.
[11:46] (FreeTrad3) And with inflation fears rising due to record high oil prices, gold also benefits from its safe-haven status, as it is bought to hedge against oil-led inflation.
[11:47] (robbins61) i still say barack obama/kobe bryant is the best possible ticket
[11:47] (thx1138-) lol robbins61
[11:47] (thx1138-) bryants gonna be too busy KICKING ASS
[11:47] (pilgrim`) gols is a constant; dollars change based on the governemnt manipulation of what SHOUDL be a constant: US Dollars
[11:47] (pilgrim`) gold
[11:47] (FreeTrad3) OIl drops or dollar rises and its in trouble.. we are in a slowdown close to but not a recession yet and when its over things will change.
[11:47] (FreeTrad3) I made more money in stocks this year than if i had invested it all in gold.
[11:48] (thx1138-) individual stocks or funds?
[11:48] (pilgrim`) I do not have good faith in the US government; except faith to muck things up
[11:48] (FreeTrad3) Individual
[11:48] (thx1138-) cool
[11:48] (pilgrim`) Free I do not hold gold as a investment; never did
[11:48] (FreeTrad3) you want big money, individual but much more risk as you know. much riskier than gold.
[11:48] (FreeTrad3) But I did well I picked well.
[11:48] (thx1138-) how big?
[11:49] (robbins61) bryant is a beast
[11:49] (FreeTrad3) over 100%
[11:49] (FreeTrad3) let me just say that
[11:49] (pilgrim`) I had investments; then I got divorced an have no investments. She did not know of the gold so, I have the gold
[11:49] (FreeTrad3) Over doubled my portfolio.
[11:49] (robbins61) cash it in
[11:49] (robbins61) get out while you're ahead!
[11:49] (robbins61) like the casino
[11:49] (FreeTrad3) buy into weakness sell into strength
[11:49] (FreeTrad3) took me years to discipline myself.
[11:49] (pilgrim`) I do not gamble...except with women
[11:50] (robbins61) i don't have any stocks
[11:50] (FreeTrad3) I finally learned how to invest with out gambling.
[11:50] (robbins61) i dont even have a savings account...GO OBAMA!
[11:50] * Sub-LSU is now known as Sublimer
[11:50] (pilgrim`) I had stocks and I had one I really miss
[11:50] (Pinki) Aww...my niece may be going deaf
[11:50] (robbins61) that sucks
[11:50] (robbins61) how old is she?
[11:50] (Pinki) 3
[11:51] (pilgrim`) I bought a company that was on its way down. got it at $15/share they had just canned their CEO. a little tech company on the skids... its name was "Apple"
[11:51] (pilgrim`) Pinki bad ear infection?
[11:52] (Pinki) pilgrim: Non stop ear infections...she's had tubes in for 2 years...and has ruptured her ear drums 3 times now
[11:52] (pilgrim`) bad
[11:52] (FreeTrad3) Right now the market is down and I am up.. Part of that discipline is getting out fast if something heads south, with minimal lost, like I bought citigroup awhile back, and it looked good but I sold it a few days later at a couple hundred dollars loss.
[11:52] (FreeTrad3) Had I held on it would have been much more than a couple hundred loss.
[11:52] (FreeTrad3) thousands.
[11:53] (FreeTrad3) I thought it was testing its bottom, speaking of which I think will see where it is now
[11:53] (Pickle`) Here's how to make money without gambling:
[11:53] (Pinki) I am worried...because the ear infections are genetic...my boyfriend had severe ear infections when he was little....and deafness and ear drum rupturing runs on my side of the family
[11:53] (FreeTrad3) Work ?
[11:53] (FreeTrad3) heh
[11:53] (pilgrim`) only bottoms I like to test are young round and willing
[11:53] (Pickle`) 1) Balance your portfolio. Invest in umbrella factories and sun hat factories.
[11:58] (robbins61) or a fascist?
[11:58] (Harsen) Those are immoral ideologies
[11:58] (FreeTrad3) Now if I wanted to gamble, would probably buy the Dow Jones average etf, Its down about 350 its either going to go down more or go up but eventually it will go up, timing the bottom is ALWAYS the problem, I made money not long ago doing that but there was a pattern then, we dont have a pattern now, DOw could drop another 1000 or rebound 500 So it would be risky now, when i did it it wasnt risky
[11:58] (FreeTrad3) I made a bunch in one say
[11:58] (FreeTrad3) day
[11:58] (FreeTrad3) because it was for no good reason the market tanked 300 points I bought and then it went up 300 by days end
[11:58] (FreeTrad3) But today its way too risky
[11:59] (ProfLupin) A "stingy" Iranian man has received a court order forcing him to buy his neglected wife 124,000 red roses, the Daily Telegraph reported Monday.
[11:59] (FreeTrad3) We have no idea if its moving down, sideways or if its going to bounce.
[11:59] (onomi) hm :)
[11:59] (ProfLupin) No word yet if JanetB will get the business...
[11:59] (FreeTrad3) anyway enough stock talk, My only point is gold is not a sure thing.
[11:59] (FreeTrad3) And its something people who own gold should be aware of.
[11:59] (Harsen) ProfLupin, whats the difference between a "laminated" rifle and non?
[11:59] (FreeTrad3) It carries risk as well. much more than paper money in a good inflation matching or beating account.
[12:00] (onomi) is this philosophy or politics channel?
[12:00] (TWThomas) If Obama can't see the light and Hillary Clinton just wants to continue to call him names the Democratic Party are bunch of back stabbing liars and will not change. They will be defeated by John McCain and continue the destruction of the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid being in the Minority.
[12:00] (FreeTrad3) Well I think I will make a road trip, bbl..
[12:00] (onomi) it seems that every person have a monologue here :)
[12:00] (robbins61) Obama will be our next president
[12:01] (rond) YEAH he will fix our whole world
[12:01] (TWThomas) robbins61 : no he isn't
[12:01] (rond) go obama
[12:01] (Harsen) robbins61, Do you do anything besides repeat the same few slogans over and over again?
[12:01] (Harsen) rond, good article for u http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20080227_1488_1488&page=1
[12:01] (rond) you know he can cure global warming robbins61 ?
[12:01] (robbins61) the argument never changes, Harsen. So why adjust my argument?
[12:01] (ProfLupin) Harsen: I've only heard Laminated in regards to stocks.. aside for some very cheaply made firearms, which use laminated layers of metal for the reciever/etc.
[12:01] (Harsen) robbins61, A slogan isn't an argument
[12:02] (robbins61) and htat wasn't a slogan
[12:02] (ProfLupin) laminated stocks are like plywood.. thou they can be very high quality/performance.
[12:02] (Harsen) ProfLupin, Yeah it would be a laminated stock
[12:02] (Harsen) Whichi s more expensive than the non-laminated one
[12:03] (pilgrim`) I went to a gunshow last Saturday
[12:03] (ProfLupin) pilgrim wanted to take advantage of the "gun show loophole".. lol
[12:03] (ProfLupin) harsen: non laminated would be made from one or a few solid pieces of wood.. laminated would be from multiple thin layers glued together
[12:03] (pilgrim`) what loophole?
[12:03] (pilgrim`) this is OR all I saw were mainly hunting rifles
[12:03] (Harsen) ProfLupin, Which is better
[12:03] (pilgrim`) sigh
[12:03] (ProfLupin) pilgrim: the ability for a private citizen to privately sell a firearm to another private citizen! oh no! the "evil" loophole..
[12:04] (pilgrim`) sounds evil tome
[12:04] (Harsen) ProfLupin, http://www.tradeexcanada.com/index.php?option=com_paxgallery&task=table&gid=4 First and Second on that page
[12:04] (ProfLupin) harsen: really matters more on how well it is made.. you can have good or bad of either..
[12:04] (pilgrim`) I did see 2 guns I wanted but in both cases the owners wanted too much
[12:04] (rond) geesh harsen, its getting a little embarrising to be canadian isn't it ?
[12:04] (pilgrim`) an AG42
[12:04] (pilgrim`) and a Modle 1917 Portugese pattern Savage 1 screw
[12:05] (Harsen) rond, yes
[12:05] (pilgrim`) pistol
[12:05] (pilgrim`) the Savage was in NRA fine
[12:05] (pilgrim`) lust
[12:05] (ProfLupin) harsen: proper fitting of the firearm to the stock is the real factor.. but obviously, there's no way to tell until you take it apart and examine it.
[12:06] (ProfLupin) harsen: proper fitting of the firearm to the stock is the real factor.. but obviously, there's no way to tell until you take it apart and examine it.
[12:06] (ProfLupin) lag
[12:06] (robbins61) Harsen, barack is genuine and represents a mentallity that i want to see spread across america. slogan?
[12:06] (Harsen) robbins61, How do you know that hes genuine?
[12:06] (robbins61) because i can feel it
[12:06] (ProfLupin) robbins61: you want to see neomarxism spread? nice.. at least you are open about your anti-freedom sentiment.
[12:07] (Harsen) robbins61, Hes a charlatan, a mountebank, he gives good speeches with no substance, and his policies SHOW his inexperience
[12:07] (Pinki) I feel a bunch of political psycho babble bull shit
[12:07] (Harsen) robbins61, The man is the political equivilent of a 19th century tonic peddler
[12:07] (robbins61) i will go where ever barack needs me
[12:07] (pilgrim`) dang
[12:07] (Harsen) "I got what ails ya, Change, Hope, for the future of the American dream!"
[12:08] (pilgrim`) I went to Google and typed Savage 1917 and all that shows up is the model 1907 mis labeled
[12:08] (robbins61) you woulnd't call him a snake oil salesman if you weren' concerned he's going to beat out your party for the presidential office
[12:08] (Harsen) "Come and sign on to Uncle Baracks Change Bandwagon, and in 8 short months I'll solve all what ails ya"
[12:08] (Pinki) Harsen: LOL, Obama's Vitavetavegamin
[12:08] (Harsen) robbins61, I am not a partisan
[12:08] (Harsen) Nor am I an American
[12:08] (robbins61) that's fine.
[12:08] (ProfLupin) robbins61: I can say with quiet certainty that Harsen is not of the GOP party
[12:08] (robbins61) i won't hold that against you.
[12:09] (robbins61) you don't have to be GOP to be a hater, i guess.
[12:09] (pilgrim`) this is a 1907 http://www.marstar.ca/gf-usedguns/images/firearms/PP078-Savage-194-L.jpg
[12:09] (Harsen) Its not about being a "hater"
[12:09] (pilgrim`) that is a 2nd gen 1907
[12:09] (pilgrim`) 1st gen has steel grips
[12:09] (ProfLupin) robbins seems to be a hater here
[12:09] (pilgrim`) I own a 1st gen
[12:09] (Harsen) Its about being realistic and expecting honesty and forerightness, not empty rhertoric from politicians
[12:09] (ProfLupin) pilgrim: i take it you didn't buy the .45acp Luger for $79.95?
[12:09] (robbins61) Harsen, what about the power of bringing people together?
[12:10] (ProfLupin) harsen: any chance for a +b on this catdog?
[12:10] (pilgrim`) http://www.marstar.ca/gf-usedguns/images/firearms/PP021-Savage-902-L.jpg
[12:10] (pilgrim`) see that?
[12:10] (robbins61) he can stack his cabinet with all of the "experience" in the world
[12:10] (pilgrim`) MIS LABELED
[12:10] (Harsen) ... so can anyone
[12:10] (Harsen) Alright
[12:10] (Harsen) I'm out
[12:10] (ProfLupin) robbins: he seems to be the most divisive canidate in ages.
[12:10] (pilgrim`) that is a 1907
[12:10] (robbins61) divisive?
[12:10] (Harsen) afk
[12:10] (ProfLupin) robbins: yes, even in the democratic party.. just over half are strongly against him, and for Hillary
[12:10] (pilgrim`) the difference is the grip shape, the single screw in the grip plate and the spur cocking piece
[12:11] (Pinki) Spur Cocking?
[12:11] (robbins61) ProfLupin, when the US government was formed it was meant to create dissention, not mush eating zombies
[12:11] (ProfLupin) Pinki ;-)
[12:11] (Pinki) LOL
[12:11] (ProfLupin) LOS ANGELES — The city of Las Vegas has shut down a clinic where up to 40,000 people may have been exposed to hepatitis C and the HIV virus through the reuse of syringes and vials, officials said on Sunday.
[12:11] (Harsen) robbins61, and we're dissenting from Obama's "kindler, gentler" nonsense rhetoric
[12:12] (pilgrim`) http://www.fototime.com/32045A91AA1BC8D/orig.jpg
[12:12] (Harsen) Alright afk
[12:12] (pilgrim`) spur cocking piece; as vs a rounded knurled one
[12:12] (Pinki) ProfLupin: That's Terrible!
[12:12] (robbins61) the fact that he creates discourse is a testament to the fact that thins in america are not setting well with the people
[12:12] (pilgrim`) never trust white coats
[12:13] (Pinki) ProfLupin: My mom went to a tattoo parlour that I told her not to...1 in 3 walked away with the Hep...she got lucky
[12:13] (ProfLupin) Pinki: yea.. and those nail saloons are also cesspools
[12:13] (robbins61) greed and selfishness are so 1980's...barack represents a change from that ideology.
[12:14] (Mobilekem) Ummm... yeah.
[12:14] (ProfLupin) robbins: Um.. barack seems to be the greediest politian running..
[12:14] (Pinki) ::sighs:: I loved the 80s
[12:14] (robbins61) i'm all for taking care of the poor
[12:14] * ProfLupin would LOVE to return to the 80s..
[12:14] (Mobilekem) And he's got the nifty cape to go along with it!
[12:14] (Pinki) At least the 2 years I lived in it
[12:14] (robbins61) ProfLupin, you want to elaborate?
[12:15] (Mobilekem) Pinki, quit making us all feel old.
[12:15] (Pinki) LOL
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[12:15] (ProfLupin) robbins: it's self evident to anyone who isn't mentally shitstained..
[12:15] * Mobilekem smacks Pinki on the ass.
[12:15] (robbins61) hmmm...i must be mentally shitstained
[12:15] (ProfLupin) robbins: well, at least you admit it
[12:15] (Pinki) Mobilekem: Hey I love the 80s...if I could go back and dress like that all the time I would LOL
[12:16] (ProfLupin) Pinki: you liked teh Cindy Lauper look?
[12:16] (robbins61) that sounds to me like empty GOP rhetoric, ProfLupin
[12:16] (Pinki) ProfLupin: What's that? leg warmers, neon tights, body suit and sweatband?
[12:17] (pilgrim`) A doctor will always give you his absolute porfessional best effort; but only if you are holdign his 1st born hostage
[12:18] (Pinki) ProfLupin: Oh I see...yeah that's hot...but I like the ripped up jeans mainly
[12:18] (Mobilekem) We've got a corporate higher up here who emphatically manages to stay in the 80's. It's a professional goal of mine to drink with her someday. A good buddy of mine in Regional management has, and assures me it's a good goal to have.
[12:18] (Mobilekem) :)
[12:19] (Pinki) Mobilekem: Puhlease I don't make you feel old
[12:20] (Mobilekem) Well, actually...
[12:20] (Pinki) LOL....I bet you my body is in much worse shape than yours
[12:20] (Pinki) Someone stop this CatDog guy!!!
[12:21] (pilgrim`) Lupine
[12:21] (Mobilekem) Don't think any of he ops are around, atm.
[12:22] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Meh. My body's battered by lack of time. I keep saying I'm going to get out to the gym on a regular basis, but I'm a mom too... The body is showing signs of a sit-down job.
[12:23] (pilgrim`) can you see the dfference here?
[12:23] (pilgrim`) this is a 1907 http://www.gentedearmas.com.ar/gda_armas_pistolas_2005/gda_imag_data/gda_savage_1907-1.jpg
[12:23] (Pinki) Mobilekem: My body isn't too out of shape figure wise...but health wise...very bad
[12:23] (pilgrim`) this is a 1917 http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20americaine/savage%20mod%201917%20cal%2032-01.jpg
[12:23] * TimeFX is now known as TimeAFK
[12:24] * TimeAFK is now known as TimeFX
[12:24] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Frankly, given the choice between going to the gym to work out or heading to the bedroom.... I mean, it's exercise, but it's just not the same thing. Health-wise I'm not too bad.
[12:24] (pilgrim`) I am an example of a once pretty fit guy; not from gym but just lifestyle; I lived 5 miels from work, had a busted car and walekd daily) now my car works, I live close
[12:24] (pilgrim`) and I have a desk job
[12:24] (pilgrim`) oh and I quit smokign a decade back
[12:24] (Pinki) Hey...I'm just falling apart healthwise...I have so many things wrong with me
[12:25] (Pinki) My doctor told me I'm 20 going on 65
[12:25] (panini) why is that Pinki
[12:25] (Mobilekem) pilgrim... yeah. This spring, I'm committed to roller-blading again. And I quit smoking on New Years after a brief start-up in November again, so doing alright there.
[12:25] (Pinki) Dunno...lot of health problems...some I can resolve...others I can't
[12:26] (pilgrim`) Mobilekem I smoked up to 3 packs/day for 30 eyars
[12:26] (pilgrim`) years
[12:26] (pilgrim`) that week I quit was a week of hell. pure unadulterated hell
[12:26] (pilgrim`) but
[12:26] (pilgrim`) it CAN be survived
[12:26] (Mobilekem) Yeesh. I believe it.
[12:26] (pilgrim`) 10 years this August.
[12:28] (Mobilekem) I quit from a pack and a half a day to cold turkey while pregnant, ~8 years ago. Hadn't smoked at all for 7 years when my marriage started disintigrating. Started up again with a vengeance when I asked for a divorce.
[12:28] (Pinki) I'll be lucky to make it to 50 frankly
[12:29] * [1]rond is now known as rond
[12:29] (Pinki) Mobilekem: Ooh that's rough
[12:29] (Mobilekem) Genetic stuff? Or reversable.
[12:29] (Pinki) Me? Both
[12:29] (EEKoff) pinki is how old?
[12:29] (Pinki) 20
[12:30] (Mobilekem) Not so bad. It helped me through it, and I'm more than disciplined enough to quit again.
[12:30] (EEKoff) [03:28] (Pinki) I'll be lucky to make it to 50 frankly
[12:30] (EEKoff) hehehhe
[12:30] (EEKoff) ack!
[12:30] (pilgrim`) Moblekem funny: I quit; wife smoked. btw I quite booze too she drinks
[12:30] (Pinki) It's true
[12:30] (pilgrim`) we are divorced
[12:30] (EEKoff) don't worry about smoking, they'll grow you a new lung in 10 years, maybe 15
[12:30] (pilgrim`) I follow the path of Thelema. Will
[12:31] (Pinki) Seriously I'm about to go Gihad on CatDogs ass
[12:31] (Pinki) I don't smoke
[12:31] (EEKoff) crack?
[12:31] (EEKoff) pot?
[12:31] (Pinki) I don't do anything bad
[12:31] (EEKoff) coke?
[12:31] (EEKoff) booze?
[12:31] (Pinki) Never have never will
[12:31] (EEKoff) booze gets them all!
[12:31] (Pinki) No nothing...the worst things I do is sex and high fructose corn syrup
[12:32] (Mobilekem) pilgrim: Yeah. Extra incentive on the quitting was certainly my frustration w/ my soon-to-be ex's, "oh, I quit... for 3 days, then I just wasn't ready to quit." Fucking bullshit.
[12:32] (EEKoff) sex and corn syrup? kinky
[12:32] (Pinki) LOL
[12:32] (EEKoff) isn't that illegal in some states?
[12:32] (Pinki) EEKoff: Not together....they are just my only 2 vices
[12:33] (EEKoff) pinki, smack them together, now you have 3
[12:33] (EEKoff) heheheh
[12:33] (Mobilekem) Put up with it for years while we were broke as fuck, and all I could think of was ho many cool things we could have done with the money he was sending on booze, smokes, and pot.
[12:33] (Pinki) Though they recently proved that high fructose corn syrup kills your liver like alcohol
[12:34] (EEKoff) they haven't proven anything, they found a possible link
[12:34] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Why is sex under the "worst things you do" list?
[12:34] (Pinki) Mobilekem: LOL, because it's dangerous LOL
[12:34] (EEKoff) she's a morman
[12:34] (Mobilekem) Errr....
[12:34] (Pinki) I am so not a mormon
[12:34] (EEKoff) hehehe
[12:34] (EEKoff) funny as hell to say though
[12:34] (pilgrim`) followers of Gettum Young?
[12:35] (Pinki) Mobilekem: I should reitterate...it's dangerous for me...and what we do
[12:35] (Pinki) LOL
[12:35] (EEKoff) gettum realli yung
[12:35] (Mobilekem) I'm intrigued, if a little worried. Blood pressure issues?
[12:36] (pilgrim`) good! I just pritned a copy of the Vita Merlini; its the only way I can get a copy
[12:36] (EEKoff) yeah, really dangerous, one of these days the horses are going to kick you in the tummy
[12:36] (Pinki) Mobilekem: LOL no...just...the kinky stuff LOL
[12:37] (Mobilekem) Kinky doesn't have to be dangerous. Shouldn't be dangerous.
[12:37] (EEKoff) sex is never dangerous, unless it results in a pregnancy
[12:37] (pilgrim`) medieval latin text of the life of Myrddyn Emeris ambrosius Silvester; the prophet of Vortigern, wild man of the New Forest and high Druid of Brytanium, known as The Merlin
[12:37] (Pinki) Mobilekem: I'm a masochist...tad bit dangerous for me
[12:37] (Mobilekem) Dangerous kills trust, and kinky without trust is just stupid.
[12:37] (EEKoff) you liked to be choked?
[12:38] (pilgrim`) sticks and stoens may break your bones but whips and chains excite me?
[12:38] (Pinki) LOL yeah
[12:38] (Pinki) Amongst other things
[12:39] * _EvrReady is now known as EvReady
[12:39] (Pinki) Mobilekem: Trust isn't an issue...my bf is very careful....
[12:39] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Yeah, but you're married, and I assume this means that your boundaries are very much on the discussion table.
[12:39] (Pinki) Mobilekem: But sometimes I don't know my own limits
[12:39] (Mobilekem) Err, I mean sort-of married.
[12:40] (pilgrim`) my fantasies are similar to that spoken of int he medieval courtiers; the Cult of Courtly Love; ie unobtainable in a human woamn. This atitude while being lonely at lease removes all chance of disapointment
[12:40] (Mobilekem) And I get where you're coming from, seriously.
[12:40] (Pinki) Yeah...
[12:41] (EEKoff) hmmm... stumbled into a coversation about sex between 3 females
[12:41] (Pinki) LOL...2 females
[12:42] (EEKoff) sure pilgrim isn't also?
[12:42] (Mobilekem) pilgrim: Why? Why hold people to standards that prevent you from enjoying the best things in life?
[12:42] * Mobilekem may have more testosterone than pilgrim....
[12:42] (EEKoff) yeah, mobilekem is right, treat them all like scum, fuck them all!
[12:42] (EEKoff) heheheh
[12:43] (Mobilekem) Errr.
[12:43] (Mobilekem) No, that's not what I said.
[12:43] (pilgrim`) Mobilekem becasue: I have had 2 failed marriages, and about 4 "sort ofs"
[12:43] (pilgrim`) trust me; my way is safer ;)
[12:43] (Mobilekem) Ah. Fragile heart syndrome.
[12:43] (Mobilekem) I can respect that...
[12:44] (EEKoff) or "broke because of alimony" syndrome
[12:44] (Mobilekem) heh.
[12:44] (pilgrim`) I have never given up on the ideal of love; but the reality falls far short
[12:44] (Pinki) ::smiles::
[12:44] (EEKoff) i've never met any girl i can honestly say i loved
[12:45] (pilgrim`) besides; being alone lends itslef well to art
[12:45] (EEKoff) lusted, but not loved
[12:45] (pilgrim`) oh I can say I loved
[12:45] (Pinki) I am loved!!!
[12:45] (Mobilekem) Reality just means accepting that your partner isn't perfect.
[12:45] (pilgrim`) here. this is a doggrel I worte one damsel. though I am not sure if I ever gave it to her. ah well. this all about the art anyway: http://homepage.mac.com/pilgrimer/.Public/poetry/MaryB.txt
[12:45] (EEKoff) reality is waking up in the night, realize your wife if fugly, pack quietly and run
[12:46] (Pinki) EEKoff: That's terrible
[12:46] ([XTV]NYR) EEKoff - what about the sucklings? :)
[12:46] ([XTV]NYR) indeed
[12:46] (Mobilekem) EEKoff: That pretty well sucks. Love is finding someone so beautiful you can't help yourself.
[12:47] ([XTV]NYR) dude, its not the outside that matters.
[12:47] (pilgrim`) I foudn that once. and I couldn't and she was married
[12:47] (Pinki) LOL pilgrim
[12:47] (EEKoff) sorry, never had that feeling, always knew in the back of my mind, they'll hit 30 someday
[12:47] ([XTV]NYR) heh
[12:47] (EEKoff) hehehhehe
[12:47] (pilgrim`) it was somewhat a....mess
[12:47] ([XTV]NYR) you know i was watching a docu on China the other day
[12:47] (EEKoff) and?
[12:47] (Mobilekem) EEKoff: And reality is figuring out whether or not their imperfections are deal-breakers.
[12:48] (Pinki) My boobs will never look a day past 25 I hope...
[12:48] ([XTV]NYR) they have a serious problem, that one baby policy caused 60% male/40% female
[12:48] (pilgrim`) everyone looks bad in the mornin light
[12:48] ([XTV]NYR) statistics of population
[12:48] (EEKoff) mobilekem, the biggest imperfection is hitting 30
[12:48] (Mobilekem) pilgrim: Suck. I solved that problem when it happened to me by leaving my husband.
[12:48] ([XTV]NYR) something like 30-50 million chinese men will never find a wife
[12:48] (pilgrim`) that plus the trends to abort females
[12:48] (SweetLeaf) someday you will have to roll your sagging boobs up to put them in a bra heh
[12:48] (EEKoff) xtv, because half the girls are hookers
[12:48] (EEKoff) hahhahaha
[12:48] (Mobilekem) EEKoff: Heh. I'm 30.
[12:48] (pilgrim`) we had exactly the oposit trend int he 1920s in England
[12:49] ([XTV]NYR) that's the thing- they profiled an upwardly mobile Chinese lady, who dated Western guys..
[12:49] (pilgrim`) WWI kileld so many that women all over England had no mates
[12:49] (Pinki) SweetLeaf: Oh I'll get them done so they never look older
[12:49] (EEKoff) xtv, chinese girls who date foreigners, are just humans that long to feel an orgasm
[12:49] ([XTV]NYR) It takes a lot to compete for a woman in China.. like a home for her, and a job... a lot of the migrant chinese workers now in beijing (for the pre olympic-buildup) , they said something like 1,800,000 in beijing alone
[12:50] (pilgrim`) I prefer japanese girls
[12:50] (pilgrim`) cute!
[12:50] (Pinki) My bf also like asians
[12:50] ([XTV]NYR) they also profiled a young man, 19 year old, whos parents saved up enough for a train ticket to beijing, accros country for them
[12:50] (EEKoff) i'm here in china, to americanize girls, one at a time
[12:50] (Pinki) Really short ones with alot of black eyeliner
[12:50] (EEKoff) hehehehhe
[12:50] ([XTV]NYR) he goes to beijing to work in the construction jobs.. cant hack it cuz it's a far colder climate, they live in shanties, work 12 hrs a day etc
[12:50] (pilgrim`) EEK do you knwo Mandarin or Cantonese?
[12:51] * enblahmen is now known as enjoyment
[12:51] (Pinki) If I ever have a 3some...it'll be with a cute asian I'm thinking
[12:51] ([XTV]NYR) the whole show was about how difficult it is for a modern chinese to attract a wife.
[12:51] (EEKoff) none, not a spit of chinese, i have a translator
[12:51] ([XTV]NYR) anyway i like Japanese women too :))
[12:52] ([XTV]NYR) but I like my wife most of all :)
[12:52] (pilgrim`) Pinki I have had a couple of threesomes. satisfying to the soul but, it does drain one. and it does nto make for a lastign relationship, but DOES mack for a lasting memory ;)
[12:52] ([XTV]NYR) she gave me two beautiful kids. that's the important part.
[12:52] ([XTV]NYR) pilgrim`- been there :)
[12:53] (Pinki) pilgrim: That's my only concern is the jealousy matter...but I'm a watcher...so I may enjoy it
[12:53] (pilgrim`) one needs a memory or two, to warm those long nights of the soul when you get older
[12:53] (EEKoff) or just porn
[12:53] ([XTV]NYR) the first time all three of us were immature and jelousy problems basically destroyed three good friends
[12:53] ([XTV]NYR) dont do 3somes as a teen :)
[12:54] ([XTV]NYR) but later in life.. i can't say it wasn't a memorable experience :)
[12:54] (Pinki) 20 isn't a teen anymore
[12:54] (EEKoff) you have to do it as a teen, the chances of you finding 2 pretty girls to do it later in life is harder
[12:54] (pilgrim`) Pinki if IF you can rise above that and IF your partnercan too and IF the oartner does nto decide the other gal is the real right one and take off with her to New Jersey THEN it might be worthwhile
[12:54] ([XTV]NYR) well i meant 17-18
[12:54] (EEKoff) sure, you might get one pretty girl, but the other, a crap shoot
[12:54] ([XTV]NYR) my first "real' girlfriend and tried it.. lol, what a disaster
[12:54] (EEKoff) xtv, that's why you got to feed them porn
[12:55] ([XTV]NYR) hah
[12:55] (EEKoff) feed them porn until they think it's reality
[12:55] (robbins61) yeah!
[12:55] ([XTV]NYR) i was 17, she was 16, wtf did i know :)
[12:55] (pilgrim`) I have done a wild night with 2 pretty girls...and one night with not so pretty girls. wanna knwoa secret? the pretty girls were rather less spectacular then the not so...in bed
[12:55] * bezaban is now known as volbeat
[12:55] ([XTV]NYR) i have too, in my 20s, in college, lots of fun
[12:55] ([XTV]NYR) but the first time was an unmitigated disaster :) though a lesson
[12:56] (pilgrim`) a plain jane tends to work harder
[12:56] (pilgrim`) also, she will not tend to break your heart as much
[12:56] (Pinki) pilgrim: Well get someone with ugly duckling syndrome like me...I work harder than anyone I know
[12:56] (Mobilekem) I did one threesome, and it was fun, but it's not something I personally would do with love involved. Too complicated.
[12:56] (EEKoff) the girl i got right now, i've feed her so much porn, every now and then, she say something like "maybe my cousin would like it"
[12:57] (Pinki) EWWWW
[12:57] ([XTV]NYR) pinki- lol, that's an aweful thing to say about yourself ;)
[12:57] ([XTV]NYR) cousin. eee
[12:57] ([XTV]NYR) ww
[12:57] (pilgrim`) Pinki in my well-spent youth ;) I several times did some work on plain janes where I helped them find the flower inside
[12:57] ([XTV]NYR) too west virginia for me :)
[12:57] (Pinki) XTV: Ugly duckling syndrome: You were ugly your whole life and blossomed without knowing it
[12:57] (EEKoff) girl cousins!
[12:57] (EEKoff) what's so eww?
[12:57] (Mobilekem) XTV: But pretty damned common with girls.
[12:57] ([XTV]NYR) i guess
[12:58] (Pinki) EEKoff: The fact that it's practically illegal?
[12:58] (Pinki) EEKoff: You can't have sex with your cousin
[12:58] ([XTV]NYR) it's not uncommon with boys _and_ girls :)
[12:58] (EEKoff) 3some with 2 girls that are cousins?
[12:58] (EEKoff) not my cousin!
[12:58] (EEKoff) her cousin!
[12:58] (pilgrim`) a gentel hand,attention paid and being more concerned with your partner's pleasure then with yoru own will make a lady feel special in so many ways
[12:58] (EEKoff) another female!
[12:58] ([XTV]NYR) you can sure 'play' with one another, but i wouldn't shtup my cousin. that's a little twisted
[12:58] (EEKoff) i'm male!
[12:58] (Pinki) EEKoff: Yes...her and her cousin is just wrong
[12:59] (pilgrim`) why?
[12:59] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Only if they think it is.
[12:59] (EEKoff) pinki, how about twins banging the same guy at the same time?
[12:59] (Pinki) Mobilekem: LOL wouldn't you?
[12:59] (pilgrim`) if she has what you determien to be the best complimentary genes, then her cousin woudl also. Sounds a great way to start a harem
[12:59] ([XTV]NYR) lol
[12:59] (Pinki) EEKoff: That's twisted too...plus usually the women are supposed to interact as well
[13:00] (EEKoff) pilgrim, that's my intent, a 7 girl harem
[13:00] (Mobilekem) Meh. Depends on the relationship... how big the family is, how small the town is... what the culture is.
[13:00] (EEKoff) pinki, not like 2 girls are going to impregnate each other
[13:00] (pilgrim`) EEK I hear you get 64 in Iraq
[13:00] (Pinki) ::shivers:: I can't even imagine....my cousins....grosss
[13:00] ([XTV]NYR) only 64?
[13:00] ([XTV]NYR) what happened to the promised 72 houris?!
[13:00] ([XTV]NYR) jip.
[13:00] (pilgrim`) is it 72?
[13:00] (EEKoff) i'm too poor for 64
[13:00] (panini) pinki there's nothing wrong with doing cousins... or even sisters for that matter!
[13:00] (Pinki) EEKoff: THat's like making out your sister or something!
[13:01] (pilgrim`) I thoguth it was the new 64bit version (virgin)
[13:01] ([XTV]NYR) yeah, its 72 houris.. and boys that are like jewels that never age
[13:01] (Pinki) panini: LOL
[13:01] (panini) i mean their sisters, not yours :)
[13:01] (EEKoff) i can afford maybe 20 chinese girls, but 64, damn, i'll be broke in a year
[13:01] ([XTV]NYR) talk about a pedophile's dream
[13:01] ([XTV]NYR) 64bit lol
[13:01] (pilgrim`) I once was with a rather fre and easy coven. THAT was interesting
[13:01] (EEKoff) xtv, if you only been to china...hahahaha
[13:01] (Mobilekem) Incest is one of those dirty little secrets that everyone acknowledges happens, but no one wants to talk about. Frankly, as long as the sex is consensual and both people are adults *before* they act on their feelings, I'm pretty much neutral on it.
[13:01] ([XTV]NYR) oh
[13:01] (Pinki) Blah I don't want to talk about incest anymore
[13:01] ([XTV]NYR) ooooooooh
[13:01] ([XTV]NYR) coven
[13:02] (L0c0) the RED PHONE ad
[13:02] ([XTV]NYR) i was in one too, that was a lot of fun, and very educational: )
[13:02] (pilgrim`) Wicca is after all: A fertility cult
[13:02] ([XTV]NYR) in college, i met a girl who was very into wicca
[13:02] ([XTV]NYR) true.. female centric religion, which is quite peaceful
[13:02] (L0c0) Clinton resorting to the Rovian tactic of fearmongering
[13:03] (pilgrim`) I have been "into" Wicca since around 1967
[13:03] ([XTV]NYR) someone said bill clinton had a gift of making negatives into positive
[13:03] (EEKoff) damn, this girl grins her teeth at night
[13:03] (EEKoff) pissing me off
[13:03] ([XTV]NYR) while hillary has a knack of turning a positive into a negative
[13:03] ([XTV]NYR) but yeah ive been "into" wicca since the mid 70s
[13:03] ([XTV]NYR) college days
[13:03] (L0c0) Bill Clinton is back in El Paso today
[13:03] (L0c0) third visit by hillary/bill now in the last 3weeks
[13:03] (Pinki) EEKoff: Grits? So what...my bf snores really bad
[13:04] (pilgrim`) L0c0 can you escort him across the bridge and....leave him there please?
[13:04] (EEKoff) pinki, never had a girl that snored, this is the first one that grins her teeth
[13:04] (L0c0) Pilgrim: LOL.. i think there's a law in Mexico against importing douchebags
[13:04] (L0c0) might have to look it up though
[13:04] (L0c0) but sounds 'bout right
[13:04] * [XTV]NYR remembers ordering a set of books from Llewellyn publications that cost about 200 dollars, but were quite interesting and really opened my eyes to what was possible with visualization
[13:05] ([XTV]NYR) pilgrim`- ever read carlos castaneda?
[13:05] ([XTV]NYR) he's an anthropologist that spent a lot of time with the yaqui indians in mexico..
[13:05] ([XTV]NYR) his books are fiction but relate a lot of the creation and beliefs of the locals
[13:05] (EEKoff) war in south america! think of all the money we'll make selling arms!
[13:06] ([XTV]NYR) creation believes err
[13:06] (EEKoff) damn, just in time, the economy is taking a nose dive
[13:06] ([XTV]NYR) war? where?
[13:06] (EEKoff) chavez funding columbian rebels
[13:06] (EEKoff) sweet!
[13:06] (Pinki) EEKoff: I can't even sleep anymore if I can't hear my bf snoring
[13:06] ([XTV]NYR) ooh. not nice
[13:07] (EEKoff) pinki, i can't sleep anymore until after sex
[13:07] (EEKoff) heheheh
[13:07] (pilgrim`) yes I read Don Juan. interesting but being familair with REAL Yauqui mythology (Anthro minor) it was....silly
[13:07] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Heh. And you thought sisters were wierd. :)
[13:07] ([XTV]NYR) me neither, no joke
[13:07] ([XTV]NYR) i usually get up and go to the pc and she falls asleep like nothing
[13:07] ([XTV]NYR) :)
[13:07] (Mobilekem) pilgrim: Yeah. I had the same impression.
[13:07] (EEKoff) haven't had sex today, and it's 4 am!
[13:07] ([XTV]NYR) still 3pm here, plenty of time :/
[13:08] (Pinki) Mobilekem: He has sleep apnea....if he's not snoring he's not breathing LOL
[13:08] (pilgrim`) I work in comp tech support; but then I majored in medieval hisotry
[13:08] (pilgrim`) with a anthro minor
[13:08] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Yeah, that sucks.
[13:08] (Pinki) So if I don't hear snoring I wake right up or can't fall asleep
[13:08] (EEKoff) pilgrim, then you're the geek to go to for answers in dungeons and dragons!
[13:08] (pilgrim`) btw, I have one of the better private collections of medieval grimoires; and related works
[13:08] (EEKoff) hehehehhehe
[13:08] (pilgrim`) I never played D&D
[13:09] ([XTV]NYR) i love ancient history.. took a lot of hellenic philosophy and history courses.. i watch the history channel 24/7.... would've loved to be a history major
[13:09] (pilgrim`) it frankly Bored me
[13:09] (L0c0) Five luxury homes burned today north of Seattle in what could be a case of ecoterrorism, officials said.
[13:09] (L0c0) haha yeah! fuck the rich!
[13:09] (L0c0) :)
[13:09] ([XTV]NYR) i played d&d at 11
[13:09] ([XTV]NYR) it bored me as well.. by then i had an apple 2c, much more fascinating
[13:09] (pilgrim`) I was also not into SCA same reason
[13:09] (L0c0) Clinton hammers Obama on NAFTA before crucial primaries
[13:09] (L0c0) isn't that like the pot calling the Obama black?
[13:10] (pilgrim`) but I can rattle off broring detaisl about history until you yawn
[13:10] ([XTV]NYR) mccain will be our next president.
[13:10] (Pinki) I played D & D
[13:10] ([XTV]NYR) and i believe he'll do a good job.
[13:10] (pilgrim`) http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/vm/vmlat.htm
[13:10] (panini) sorry to interrupt your sex talk folks...
[13:11] ([XTV]NYR) heh
[13:11] (pilgrim`) heh
[13:11] ([XTV]NYR) hi panini
[13:11] (panini) but it looks like shillary might actually win ohio
[13:11] ([XTV]NYR) eek
[13:11] (pilgrim`) panini is in a exclusive relationship with a gila monster
[13:11] (EEKoff) choice between senators, blah, all bores me as hell already, listening to career politicians who specialize in saying not important, always "i believe..."
[13:11] (Mobilekem) I liked chess more than the rpg's... until City of Heroes came along. I've put a self-imposed restriction on my computer from any Diablo-style MMORPG from here on out.
[13:11] ([XTV]NYR) pilgrim`- that's because they're cuddly :)
[13:11] (pilgrim`) I do play chess
[13:11] (panini) pilgrim`, we're "seeing" other people
[13:12] ([XTV]NYR) i've played chess since a kid
[13:12] (Pinki) Horray, so I get to send the taxes out tonight
[13:12] (pilgrim`) panini I never woudl have pegged you as a lounge lizard ;)
[13:12] ([XTV]NYR) my cousin was a chessmaster at 14
[13:12] ([XTV]NYR) in his age group
[13:12] ([XTV]NYR) his dad is another chess wiz
[13:12] (panini) big deal
[13:12] (pilgrim`) a reall chessnut
[13:12] ([XTV]NYR) welp, he beats me
[13:12] (panini) bobby fischer was US champion at age 14
[13:12] (Mobilekem) Strategy +social chat + killer graphics = deadly waste of time.
[13:13] (Mobilekem) I play on gameknot.
[13:13] ([XTV]NYR) that's great, but i don't claim to have a boby fischer in the family ;)
[13:13] (L0c0) lol its chess... being a chessmaster is like being a gold medalist at the special olympics
[13:13] ([XTV]NYR) just saying to topic..
[13:13] ([XTV]NYR) is it?
[13:13] (EEKoff) use to play counterstrike, now there was a kick ass game
[13:13] (pilgrim`) I am attempting to improve my command of Latin. speakign of waste of time
[13:13] ([XTV]NYR) i thought it was rather impressive.. but, what do i know, ive never been THAT into chess
[13:13] (pilgrim`) ego legit prava
[13:13] (Mobilekem) Username = kementari. I'm not bad... but I've played plenty of people who kick my ass.
[13:13] (EEKoff) nothng beats first person shooters
[13:13] (panini) pilgrim`, a waste of time would be learning Esperanto
[13:14] (panini) EEKoff, i prefer wargame strategy
[13:14] (pilgrim`) panini truth actually. a bizzare Polish dialect that
[13:14] (EEKoff) panini, i find those too easy
[13:14] (EEKoff) rts are too easy, way too unrealistic
[13:14] ([XTV]NYR) slavic = slavic = slavic...
[13:15] (EEKoff) name the first real rts game
[13:15] (Pinki) I played WoW...that's about it...Sims and Zeus were some others I played
[13:15] ([XTV]NYR) polish is very much like ukranian, which is itself very much like russian, which is almost identical to bulgarian, so forth
[13:15] (EEKoff) buzzzzzzzzz, times up, dune 2
[13:15] (Pinki) But I am more a Mahjong, Solitaire Sudoku fan
[13:15] ([XTV]NYR) sonic
[13:15] ([XTV]NYR) gianna sisters
[13:15] (panini) EEKoff, i mean like warcraft III or civ IV
[13:15] (EEKoff) button masher
[13:15] ([XTV]NYR) donkey kong.. zaxxon
[13:15] ([XTV]NYR) phoenix :)
[13:15] (Mobilekem) Pinki: Ever here Glock's story on how he beat SIMs?
[13:16] * [XTV]NYR is into 80s arcade games
[13:16] (Mobilekem) *hear
[13:16] (EEKoff) panini, those are refered to as real time strategy, rts
[13:16] (panini) yeah i know
[13:16] (Pinki) Nope
[13:16] (panini) but those are the best of those
[13:16] ([XTV]NYR) Has anyone played 'Americas Army'?
[13:16] (EEKoff) panini, boring, especially when they cap your hero's growth
[13:16] ([XTV]NYR) I was wondering if it's any good
[13:17] (EEKoff) i use to play it
[13:17] (_HellMngr) america's army is good.
[13:17] (EEKoff) laggy as hell
[13:17] (_HellMngr) as far as shooters go.
[13:17] (Mobilekem) He realized he was spending too much time worrying about the happiness of digital beings, surrounded them all with coffee makers and killed them through caffeine overload.
[13:17] (panini) EEKoff, not the canned missions... i mean against other humans
[13:17] (_HellMngr) It's kind of old now.
[13:17] ([XTV]NYR) yeah..
[13:17] (_HellMngr) i think they do periodic updates to it.
[13:17] ([XTV]NYR) i used to like unreal tourney.. that's ancient as well
[13:17] (Pinki) :P:
[13:17] (Pinki) *LOL
[13:17] (EEKoff) my kill ratio in counterstrike use to be like 12 kills to 1 death
[13:17] (panini) i love Call of Duty 4
[13:17] ([XTV]NYR) what's a modern game that you all recommend that's similar to AA?
[13:18] ([XTV]NYR) Cal of Duty 4?
[13:18] ([XTV]NYR) call*
[13:18] (pilgrim`) I prefer Ken's Labrynth
[13:18] (Pinki) I;ll brb guys I'm peer reviewing an essay for someone
[13:18] (pilgrim`) though the version of Castle Wolfenstien for the Apple IIgs is also good
[13:18] ([XTV]NYR) heh, i used to own that
[13:19] (pilgrim`) I still do and still use an Apple II
[13:19] (EEKoff) back when a pixel was like half an inch
[13:19] (panini) 640 x 480 vgrapghics?
[13:19] ([XTV]NYR) for it's time, it was amazing
[13:19] (EEKoff) ahahaha
[13:19] (pilgrim`) forever
[13:19] (pilgrim`) 320X240
[13:19] (pilgrim`) 16 color
[13:20] ([XTV]NYR) i used to run a chat board off a set of apples.. now THAT was fun.. each apple drove 6 300baud serial modems
[13:20] (pilgrim`) did you know there are STILL companies producing software, and hardware peripherasl an add-ons for the AppleII?
[13:20] ([XTV]NYR) you could tether two of them for a total of 12 lines, and the wonderful thing was one of those lines could be used to "link" to another bbs of the same type
[13:20] ([XTV]NYR) yes pilgrim`
[13:20] ([XTV]NYR) i did..
[13:21] (pilgrim`) I know many in the field personally
[13:21] (panini) XTV: nerd
[13:21] ([XTV]NYR) lol
[13:21] (_HellMngr) CoD4 is awesome.
[13:21] (L0c0) love these red phone political ads...they stink of desperation
[13:21] (pilgrim`) http://www.syndicomm.com/
[13:21] (EEKoff) i'm guess each of them is about 30 lbs overweight
[13:21] (pilgrim`) check that
[13:21] ([XTV]NYR) ok.. time to get back, but thanks for the game suggestions. peace-
[13:21] (EEKoff) i knew guys that ran bbs, all fatsos
[13:22] ([XTV]NYR) not all. i met some very odd and very normal ppl that ran boards
[13:22] (Pinki) Blah I'm 60 lbs overweight
[13:22] ([XTV]NYR) one of the oddest was a 60 year old hippie with 5 inch toe nails and finger nails who collected empty matchbooks
[13:22] ([XTV]NYR) and had a house condemned as a fire hazzard
[13:22] (Pinki) I feel like a fatty boom buhlatty
[13:22] (EEKoff) pinki, you need a breast reduction
[13:22] (EEKoff) heheheh
[13:22] (Pinki) LOL no kidding
[13:22] (panini) Pinki, but most of that is in your boobs ;)
[13:23] (EEKoff) 60 lb breast!
[13:23] ([XTV]NYR) per breast? :)
[13:23] (EEKoff) damn, what a back pain you must have
[13:23] (Pinki) Well even my boobs are probably like maybe 10 lbs each
[13:23] (EEKoff) i knew girls that fixed their titties, all suffered back pain afterwards
[13:23] ([XTV]NYR) my wife says "tie a cinderblock to your neck and walk around with it a few days"
[13:24] (panini) each of your boobs weighs more than paris hilton!
[13:24] ([XTV]NYR) then youll know how they feel :) she says
[13:24] (Pinki) LOL
[13:24] (Pinki) XTV: And what size is she?
[13:24] ([XTV]NYR) shes kidding, shes only a c
[13:24] (Pinki) I know...I'm just asking what size she is
[13:24] (EEKoff) i knew a girl, one tit was a c, the other was a b
[13:25] (EEKoff) strangest looking things i've seen
[13:25] ([XTV]NYR) we were talking about pregnancy at the time as well, and how it's impossible to do much when you have a watermellon in your uterus :)
[13:25] (Pinki) LOL tie a cinderblock around her neck and she'll know how I feel
[13:25] ([XTV]NYR) hehehe
[13:25] (EEKoff) was good when i wanted to imagine different girls, like one, then the other
[13:25] (Pinki) EEKoff: That's really common...especially for bigger firls
[13:25] (Pinki) *girls
[13:25] ([XTV]NYR) ill tell her someone said that :))
[13:25] (panini) somehow, the convo always comes back to boobs...
[13:25] (Pinki) ::smiles::
[13:25] ([XTV]NYR) desnt it! :)))
[13:26] (EEKoff) pinki, but a c and a b? most of the time, it's like a b and a smaller b
[13:26] (Pinki) panini: cause I'm here and the pictures have spread LOL
[13:26] ([XTV]NYR) boobies isa perfect topic to end on! (for me) Peace :)
[13:26] * [XTV]NYR afk
[13:26] (Pinki) EEKoff: I'm an F and a D
[13:26] (EEKoff) i don't believe you
[13:26] (EEKoff) need pics
[13:26] (Pinki) Mac is bigger than tosh
[13:26] (EEKoff) hehehhehe
[13:26] (EEKoff) need proof
[13:26] (Mobilekem) Ah, geez.
[13:26] (Pinki) it's way noticable...even when I'm dressed normally you can tell
[13:27] (Pinki) I'm not taking pics you perv LOL
[13:27] (Mobilekem) You're a freak, Pinki.
[13:27] (EEKoff) you did last time
[13:27] (EEKoff) hahahaha
[13:27] (Pinki) I am not
[13:27] (Pinki) LOL
[13:27] (Mobilekem) I mean that in a good way.
[13:27] (pilgrim`) Tim Benzadrine's poems from Bored of the Rings
[13:27] (Pinki) Lemme see if you can tell in my Facebook picture
[13:27] (panini) pinki post a proper on bobblers :p
[13:27] ([XTV]NYR) :)
[13:27] (L0c0) 5 people shot at a Wendy's in south florida.
[13:28] (pilgrim`) I sit ont he floor and pick my nose and think of deviant things/ of lesbain dwarves who do it in droves/ and trolls who do it in teams"
[13:28] (DeDannan) where's ProfLupin?
[13:28] (Pinki) http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=18433&id=1100516316
[13:28] * [XTV]NYR clickety clicks
[13:28] (Pinki) I'm turned at a weird angle...but the left one is the bigger
[13:28] (pilgrim`) DeDannan goofing off in the teacher's lounge
[13:28] (panini) L0c0, ban wendy's
[13:28] (Pinki) I took that pic yesterday after washing my bfs car
[13:29] (EEKoff) facebook?
[13:29] (pilgrim`) do you do windows?
[13:29] (_HellMngr) washing your bf's car?
[13:29] (EEKoff) damn, got to log into that crap
[13:29] (_HellMngr) you sounds like the perfect girl.
[13:29] ([XTV]NYR) firefox crashed.. wonderful..
[13:29] (Pinki) I dont think you need to log in to look at it...do you?
[13:29] (Pinki) http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v200/169/18/1100516316/n1100516316_18433_5120.jpg
[13:29] ([XTV]NYR) no, i dont think you do
[13:29] (pilgrim`) later
[13:29] (EEKoff) no the perfect girl wouldn't just was the car, it also needs a wax and polish
[13:30] (Pinki) HellMngr: I also cook
[13:30] (EEKoff) clean?
[13:30] (_HellMngr) address his every whim?
[13:30] (EEKoff) give intermittant bj?
[13:30] (Pinki) EEKoff: Waxed and all...I gave that car some good "wax on, wax off" action....Did I mention my bf was sitting in his car?
[13:30] (Mobilekem) Heh.
[13:30] ([XTV]NYR) pinki- you're cute hon :) Keep smiling, you'll live longer!
[13:31] (Pinki) http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v200/169/18/1100516316/n1100516316_18434_4106.jpg
[13:31] (L0c0) my idiot US Rep has done it again
[13:31] (Pinki) I took this one too...and I just realized you can see my booty in it LOL
[13:31] (EEKoff) pinki, that pic, that's a lot of clothing to have on in the summer
[13:31] (EEKoff) hehehehhe
[13:31] (Mobilekem) Damnit, Pinki!
[13:31] ([XTV]NYR) http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=18433&id=1100516316 tells me to log in first
[13:32] (Pinki) Mobilekem: ::frowns:: what?
[13:32] (Mobilekem) You keep posting these things while I'm mobile, not at home.
[13:32] (L0c0) in Hillary's rally a couple of weeks ago, when introducing her, he pronounced "UTEP" (Yoo-TEHP) as "JUTEP" (Jew-TEHP)
[13:32] (Pinki) Mobilekem: I didn't know my booty was showing
[13:32] (L0c0) people now are pissed
[13:32] (Pinki) Oh LOL
[13:32] * Mobilekem shakes tiny fist at the working world
[13:32] (Pinki) Mobilekem: Well fortunately it's a profile picture...I'll send it to you later
[13:32] (L0c0) b/c he said it w/ a heavy, stereotypical mexican accent
[13:32] ([XTV]NYR) and also the first pic.. i'll have t o take a peek later :))
[13:32] (EEKoff) kem, you've got pics?
[13:33] (L0c0) local news showed like 7 clips of him pronouncing it correctly,
[13:33] (Mobilekem) Excellent. I ask for nothing better.
[13:33] (L0c0) i tell ya, the man's an idiot and a traitor
[13:33] (L0c0) fuck silvestre reyes
[13:33] (Mobilekem) I've got one on the #politics webpage.
[13:33] (Pinki) Mobilekem: Not much booty...I'm laying on my bed and you can see it on both sides of my head
[13:33] (EEKoff) this channel has a webpage?
[13:33] (panini) pinki that pic needs to go lower
[13:33] (Mobilekem) Not anything super revealing like Pinki over, but it works.
[13:34] (Pinki) panini: It originally was ::winks::
[13:34] (panini) hehe
[13:34] (Pinki) LOL super revealing...I'm super conservative...except at home I'm a nudist
[13:34] (Mobilekem) Yep. www.ircpolitics.org, I think.
[13:34] (EEKoff) proof it
[13:34] (EEKoff) prove it
[13:34] (Pinki) Which reminds me...OMG I cooked salmon yesterday and the grease splattered on my thighs LOL
[13:35] (EEKoff) i'll believe pinki when i see pics
[13:35] (Mobilekem) Ouch. brb
[13:35] (EEKoff) heheheh
[13:35] (panini) yeah me too
[13:36] (EEKoff) and has to be a full body shot, half naked doesn't count as a nudist
[13:36] (Pinki) EEKoff: Well unfortunately for you I don't care if you believe me
[13:36] (EEKoff) heheheh
[13:36] (EEKoff) worth a try
[13:37] (EEKoff) damn, hungry
[13:38] (Pinki) I think tonight I'm going to make Steak and Mashed potatoes and biscuits
[13:38] (EEKoff) hate mashed potatoes
[13:38] (EEKoff) prefer baked
[13:38] (EEKoff) lots of butter
[13:39] (Pinki) How can you hate mashed but like baked?
[13:39] (EEKoff) a pound of extra sharp chedder
[13:39] (EEKoff) mashed? because it's more work
[13:39] (Pinki) I take a baked potatoe and mash it up...same thing...different texture
[13:39] (EEKoff) hahahahah
[13:39] (EEKoff) i'm in china, if i want good western food, i have to make it myself
[13:40] (Pinki) LOL well I do all the cooking myself...my bf says jump I jump
[13:40] (EEKoff) thinking pasta tonight
[13:41] (EEKoff) with veal, none of that cheap beef in my pasta
[13:41] (EEKoff) i make a mean 1/2 pound burger
[13:42] (EEKoff) and no need for ketchup or mustard, add a few pickles, tasty as hell
[13:43] (Pinki) I like mustard and pickles on my burgers...and some Extra sharp cheddar
[13:43] (Pinki) But no bread or buns
[13:44] (DeDannan) I like mine with lettuce and tomato..heinz 57 and french fried potatos
[13:44] (EEKoff) you take some bacon, after you baked the bacon, chop it up, then when the burger is just about done, sprinkle some shredded cheddar and the chopped bacon
[13:44] (DeDannan) big kosher pickle and a cold draft beer
[13:44] (Pinki) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/InferiorToKaos/Bros.jpg Check that out
[13:44] * TimeFX is now known as oclet
[13:44] (Pinki) The pickle spears I bought recently were spicy and I don't know why
[13:45] * oclet is now known as TimeFX
[13:46] (EEKoff) extra sharp chedder and bacon bits, lettuce, tomatos, grilled onions, and a few pickles
[13:46] (EEKoff) with 1 liter of pepsi
[13:46] (Pinki) Did anyone look at that picture)?
[13:46] (EEKoff) sometimes 1.5 liters
[13:47] (Pinki) I don't like making burgers though...I'd rather stop at Jack in the Box and buy and Ultimate Cheeseburger
[13:47] (EEKoff) yeah, one big guy one thin guy, looks like ones been stealing the other guy's food
[13:47] (EEKoff) oh that shit is gross, i've tried that when it first came out
[13:48] (EEKoff) 2 slabs of dry frozen beef patties
[13:48] (Pinki) EEKoff: Aw that was mean
[13:48] (EEKoff) about the jack in the box?
[13:48] (Pinki) No about the picture
[13:48] (EEKoff) pinki....hehhehehe... sorry
[13:48] (Pinki) They are brothers
[13:48] (EEKoff) i'm an ass sometimes
[13:48] (EEKoff) well, most of the time
[13:49] (EEKoff) well, all of the time
[13:49] (Pinki) ::frowns::
[13:49] (Pinki) The bigger one is my bf...
[13:49] (EEKoff) i take it the thin one has the upper bunk
[13:49] (EEKoff) hehehhe
[13:49] (EEKoff) eek!
[13:49] (Pinki) He's not that big...it's just the shirt
[13:50] (EEKoff) crap, keep thinking you're as old as everyone else here
[13:50] (EEKoff) "my bf"... i was thinking, you cradle robber
[13:50] (EEKoff) hahahah
[13:51] (Pinki) http://a699.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/l_a067f365913400e4d55cce6c9c9f1ae2.jpg
[13:51] (RustyFord) he aint big, he just has to wear a bra to keep his man boobs from hanging down by his knees
[13:51] (Pinki) See...he's not that big...I was just pointing out how different they look in that picture
[13:51] (EEKoff) yours?
[13:51] (EEKoff) both of them
[13:51] (EEKoff) heheheh
[13:52] (Pinki) That's not our baby..it's his brothers
[13:52] (Pinki) We call him Double d
[13:52] (EEKoff) his brother look younger than him
[13:52] (EEKoff) hahahah
[13:52] (EEKoff) damn
[13:52] (Pinki) His brother is only a year older
[13:52] (Pinki) and is 6'8"
[13:52] (EEKoff) they don't look tall in the pic
[13:53] (EEKoff) i was thinking 5'10"
[13:53] (RustyFord) mom must have been screwing the mail man
[13:53] (Pinki) That's because my bf is 6'4"
[13:53] (EEKoff) now that was inappropriate
[13:53] (Pinki) http://a993.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/55/l_f37cb3e98374dad43bb6d3a792154f50.jpg His brother and sister in law
[13:53] (RustyFord) boo hoo
[13:54] (EEKoff) damn she's short, he's tall as fuck
[13:54] (Pinki) She's 5'2"
[13:54] (Pinki) I'm 5'3"
[13:54] (EEKoff) she needs a stool when she goes to her knees?
[13:54] (EEKoff) hehehehhe
[13:54] (Pinki) LOL well she doesn't do that...they don't have many intimate times
[13:55] (EEKoff) with a kid, blah, who does?
[13:55] (Pinki) They have 2 kids
[13:55] (EEKoff) my god son, his father lost like 20 pounds after his first kid
[13:55] (Pinki) A 3 year old and a 3 month old
[13:55] (Mobilekem) I did the whole 5'2" married to 6'4" for quite a while. It pretty well sucked.
[13:56] (RustyFord) UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Security Council approved a third round of sanctions against Iran on Monday with near unanimous support, sending a strong signal to Tehran that its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment is unacceptable and becoming increasingly costly.
[13:56] (Pinki) LOL I love being way short....the height is perfect for intimate times...except for in the shower
[13:56] (RustyFord) the resolution bans trade with Iran in goods which have both civilian and military uses and authorizes inspections of shipments to and from Iran by sea and air that are suspected of carrying banned items.
[13:56] (RustyFord) The vote was 14-0; Indonesia abstained.
[13:56] (EEKoff) rustyford, you heard their might be war in s. america?
[13:56] (RustyFord) pffft
[13:56] (RustyFord) i wish
[13:56] (RustyFord) Chavez would get his ass kicked
[13:56] (EEKoff) chavez was funding columbian rebels
[13:57] (EEKoff) rustford, war breaks out, oil would hit about 130
[13:57] (EEKoff) you don't want chavez to get his ass kicked, seriously, oil at 130
[13:58] (EEKoff) and this UN security councel vote, watch as prices go up tomorrow
[13:58] (RustyFord) EEK, Venezuelan oil isn't used in cars
[13:58] (EEKoff) year's end, you might be looking at 180 a barrel
[13:59] (RustyFord) it may end up going to 130$ a barrel with or without going to war with Chavez
[13:59] (RustyFord) personally I don't give a crap about the price of oil
[13:59] (EEKoff) not used in cars, but traded as oil
[13:59] (Pinki) Blah I care...with the gas mileage my POS car is getting
[14:00] (RustyFord) its used as heating oil
[14:00] (EEKoff) war with iran, 200
[14:00] (RustyFord) and being that winter is almost over.... Chavez will only be screwing himself
[14:00] (RustyFord) we can afford 130$ a barrel oil, Chavez can't afford a war
[14:01] (EEKoff) he doesn't have a choice in the matter, columbia might fire the first shots
[14:01] (oc80z) stfu RustyFord
[14:01] (RustyFord) if we're lucky
[14:01] (oc80z) who the hell cares
[14:01] (oc80z) its not news
[14:01] (oc80z) you are a slob in life
[14:01] (oc80z) admit it
[14:01] (EEKoff) hit and run
[14:01] (EEKoff) hahahaha
[14:02] (EEKoff) i'm a slob in real life, thank god i have girlfriends to clean up after me
[14:02] (EEKoff) hehehehhe
[14:03] (Pinki) I'm a slob...but I clean up after myself on weekends....I make up for my messiness though
[14:04] (Mobilekem) Same here. :)
[14:04] (EEKoff) i can't stand a messy house
[14:05] (EEKoff) everything has a place, sock in the sock draw, towels on the towel rack
[14:05] (Pinki) Everything has a place....I like to think of the floor as the biggest shelf that needs to be slightly organized and dusted off from time to time
[14:06] (EEKoff) i can't even stand messy sex
[14:06] (EEKoff) banket drops on the floor during sex, i stop to pick it up
[14:07] (EEKoff) thing i hate most, girls come over, and they sit on my bed in their outside clothing
[14:07] (Pinki) That's a tad excessive
[14:07] (fonebone) omg.. terrorist attack in seattle haha
[14:07] (fonebone) we should go to red!
[14:07] (EEKoff) think about all the crap they rub up against while outside
[14:08] (LSDWash`) is your name Adrian Monk?
[14:08] (EEKoff) other people, sit in dirty taxis
[14:08] (EEKoff) buses, subways
[14:08] (fonebone) heh...
[14:08] (Mobilekem) Although I confess that my slob ways were inspired by having a stay-at-home husband. I just rebelled against doing housework when he was home all day.
[14:08] (fonebone) eek is a germophobe
[14:09] (EEKoff) and shoes inside the house, fuck, people spit, you step on it, then drag t all over
[14:09] (Pinki) EEKoff: My pants don't rub up against much...I think I'd be much more concerned about their bajingos and mouths
[14:09] (EEKoff) it all over
[14:09] (DeDannan) fonebone, what happened? Starbucks run out of double shot half milk lattes?
[14:09] (fonebone) nah... elf apparently burned down some mansions that were being built
[14:10] (DeDannan) damn that Will Farrell!
[14:10] (Pinki) fonebone: I hate arson
[14:10] (fonebone) maybe.. i bet it comes out to be a tax fraud thing
[14:10] (fonebone) haha
[14:10] (EEKoff) worse, i'm in china, people pick up their kids and let them shit and piss on the middle of the sidewalk
[14:10] (EEKoff) so imagine stepping into dry shit and urine, dragging it into the house
[14:10] (fonebone) the developer sais to himself "hrmm.. i can put an ELF sign out there and everyone will outrage against terrorists and im home free!"
[14:10] (RustyFord) CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas -- A protester has been charged with disorderly conduct after yelling at former President Bill Clinton during a campaign stop.
[14:10] (RustyFord) The Corpus Christi Caller-Times says that the man was holding a sign saying the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job as Clinton spoke. The man yelled at Clinton later as the former president shook hands with the crowd.
[14:11] (fonebone) not clintons fault
[14:11] (panini) fonebone is a lifetime ELF member
[14:11] (fonebone) if the local cops arrested em
[14:11] (RustyFord) niiiice, I wonder if the lefties who have been complaining about their freedom of speech being eroded by Bush will protest this
[14:11] (DeDannan) hmmm...I'm not sure I would pick up my kid before letting him shit on the sidewalk..I think I would put him down
[14:11] (Pinki) LOL...
[14:11] * _uspat is now known as uspat
[14:11] (fonebone) id blame the cops rusty ;)
[14:11] (Pinki) EEKoff: Then again I'm not licking my carpet
[14:12] (EEKoff) dedannan, they pick them up so the kids ass is exposed pointing downwards, craps on the sidewalk
[14:12] (fonebone) though.. depends on how aggressive the dude was... if he got into clintons face and was yelling then he deserved it
[14:12] (EEKoff) pinki, you do roll around in it, your nephew rolls around in it
[14:12] (DeDannan) EEKoff, well..um..that's odd
[14:12] (panini) Pinki, well no one accused you of being a lesbian...
[14:12] (fonebone) protestors dont get to get withint half a mile of bush
[14:12] (fonebone) haha
[14:12] (EEKoff) hahahaha
[14:12] (DeDannan) fonebone, Free Speech Zones :)
[14:13] (Pinki) EEKoff: I don't exactly roll around on the floor either...and neither does my nephew
[14:13] (EEKoff) pinki, so you've never sat on the floor?
[14:13] (fonebone) unless you count the ones in front of the white house.. 1/4 of a mile from the actual white house.. kinda below a ridge
[14:13] (fonebone) haha
[14:13] (EEKoff) or your nephew has never crawled across the floor?
[14:14] (DeDannan) I think the Free Speech Zone for the 2004 RNC convention was East Orange, NJ
[14:14] (Pinki) EEKoff: He's not old enough to crawl...and I have a huge couch...no need to sit on the floor
[14:15] (EEKoff) well, wait until he starts crawling
[14:15] (RustyFord) christ, back down to the 20's this weekend
[14:15] (EEKoff) kids, no stopping them
[14:15] (RustyFord) can't wait to get my motorcycle on the damn road
[14:15] (fonebone) what you ride rusty?
[14:15] * n00b983 is now known as OcDoc
[14:15] (EEKoff) a tricycle
[14:15] (fonebone) heh
[14:15] (RustyFord) at the moment a 1990 virago
[14:15] (fonebone) kewl
[14:15] (RustyFord) i am thinking about trading it in for a street legal enduro though
[14:16] (Pinki) Still I probably wouldn't care regardless...
[14:16] (fonebone) i got a speed triple and a 90 somethinerother honda shadow
[14:16] (fonebone) kewl
[14:16] * OcDoc is irregardless
[14:16] (fonebone) supermoto!
[14:16] (RustyFord) i like the old Shadows, nice bikes
[14:16] (fonebone) eh.. this is just the 750... wifes starter bike
[14:16] (fonebone) ace edition... so single crank pin
[14:16] (RustyFord) nothing wrong with a 750
[14:17] (fonebone) the harley wannabe.. haha
[14:17] (fonebone) nah.. its a great bike
[14:17] (RustyFord) i don't much like harleys
[14:17] (fonebone) me either ;)
[14:17] (FreeTrad3) Jesus Christ..
[14:17] (OcDoc) Pinki: don't you ever go to school?
[14:17] (EEKoff) make too much noise
[14:17] (FreeTrad3) Jesus
[14:17] * DeDannan effects being affected by OcDoc's irregardlessness
[14:17] (fonebone) eh... any bike can make too much noise
[14:17] (RustyFord) s'up FT?
[14:17] (fonebone) stock harleys are actually pretty quiet
[14:18] (FreeTrad3) Nothing just a killer day on wall street.
[14:18] (FreeTrad3) For the good.
[14:18] (RustyFord) ahh, cool
[14:18] * OcDoc one-ups DeDannan's irregardlessnessness
[14:18] (Pinki) OcDoc: Not when I'm working LOL
[14:18] (FreeTrad3) Damn..
[14:18] (EEKoff) never heard a quiet harley
[14:18] (EEKoff) hehehhe
[14:18] (fonebone) cause most people put straight cut pipes on em
[14:18] (EEKoff) why?
[14:18] (Pinki) OcDoc: All classes are online except for Gross Anatomy right now...and I'm doing that at nights
[14:18] (EEKoff) why do they do that?
[14:18] (fonebone) cause they like em loud
[14:18] (EEKoff) so much fucking noise
[14:19] (fonebone) i agree
[14:19] (DeDannan) because they're assholes
[14:19] (RustyFord) dow didn't close down that much today
[14:19] (fonebone) and cops dont ticket em either.. pisses me off
[14:19] (fonebone) they are obviously breaking noise polution law
[14:19] (fonebone) but oh well
[14:19] (fonebone) cause most cops are idiots and like harleys.. haha
[14:19] (EEKoff) and those jap cars that sound like lawn mowers, what the fuck is up with that?
[14:20] (fonebone) more open exhausts... usually tear out the cat
[14:20] (fonebone) and mufflers
[14:20] (DeDannan) EEKoff, morons who thought "The Fast and the Furious" was a how-to program?
[14:20] (n00b015) Pinki: waaaaaall, back when I was a med student we had to walk through three feet of snow without shows uphill both ways
[14:20] (fonebone) a lot of em lose power doing it too
[14:20] * n00b015 is now known as OcDoc
[14:20] (OcDoc) shoes
[14:20] (EEKoff) fuck i get in my car, fuck, a bmw is suppose to be smooth and quiet, some of these fuckers out there, make all sorts of noises
[14:21] (FreeTrad3) One happy boy here..
[14:21] (fonebone) man
[14:21] (fonebone) big vote here in okc tommorow
[14:21] * OcDoc pinches FreeTrade and wakes him up from his dream
[14:21] (DeDannan) whatcha votin on?
[14:21] (fonebone) extension of a sales tax to upgrade our arena
[14:21] (fonebone) so we can get a nba team
[14:21] (DeDannan) ah
[14:21] (fonebone) the anti tax nutsos are all up in arms
[14:22] (OcDoc) fonebone: you can have ours
[14:22] (EEKoff) nba team in okc?
[14:22] * OcDoc is an anti-tax nutso
[14:22] (fonebone) even though the tax its extending has brought in WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more revenue for the city than weve paid in the tax
[14:22] (Pinki) BBIAB...need to edit a paper for someoen
[14:22] (RustyFord) yeh! more tax payers subsidising sports teams
[14:22] (FreeTrad3) Ive never seen that much volume..
[14:22] (fonebone) we arent subsidising them... we will own the stadium
[14:22] (fonebone) its about more than the nba team
[14:22] (FreeTrad3) Well. Anyway Back to work sort of. I am kind of taking the day off half assed.
[14:23] (EEKoff) how many people in okc?
[14:23] (fonebone) this city improvement has brought downtown okc back from the dead
[14:23] (FreeTrad3) Tommorrow I need to work on the final billing on a project going on for 2 years.
[14:23] (RustyFord) fonebone why should tax payers who don't watch/like basketball be forced to pay for something they get no entertainment from?
[14:23] (DeDannan) fonebone, so the city will then lease it to the franchise?
[14:23] (fonebone) well.. if they ONLY think of it that way rusty.. then they are idiots :P
[14:23] (fonebone) yeah... basically de
[14:23] (RustyFord) fonebone thats the same exact thing they said about the baseball stadium they built in OKC
[14:24] (fonebone) yup... annnd.. they were right!
[14:24] (fonebone) bricktown is actually a destination now
[14:24] (RustyFord) how are they right when they are now claiming that they need a basketball team to revitalise OKC?
[14:24] (fonebone) its not revitilization at this point.. its continued growth
[14:25] (RustyFord) yeh at the expense of the tax payer
[14:25] (fonebone) if you are a hermit.. and get pissed off when there is traffic.. then be selfish and vote against it :P
[14:25] (fonebone) you have to spend money to make money
[14:25] (DeDannan) pro sports franchises generally boost city revenues
[14:25] (RustyFord) tax payers shouldn't be forced to subsidise sports teams, period
[14:25] (fonebone) the maps program has brought in way more money to the city than the city has spent on it rusty
[14:25] (fonebone) once again.. its not just about the team
[14:25] (EEKoff) who isn't pissed off when there's traffic?
[14:25] (RustyFord) fonebone yeh and did the tax payers get anything back?
[14:25] (RustyFord) nope
[14:26] (DeDannan) lots of jobs created, etc
[14:26] (fonebone) only tons of new jobs
[14:26] (RustyFord) they just want MORE money from the taxpayer to subsidise yet another team
[14:26] (EEKoff) mostly low paying jobs
[14:26] (fonebone) billions in outside dollars
[14:26] (fonebone) coming into the city
[14:26] (fonebone) but i guess thats nothing ;)
[14:26] (RustyFord) DeDannan yeh those jobs that are created are payed for again by the taxpayer
[14:26] (RustyFord) heh
[14:26] (DeDannan) lol, no they aren't
[14:26] (fonebone) there didnt used to be anywhere to go in okc at night rusty
[14:26] (fonebone) now there is
[14:27] (EEKoff) home
[14:27] (fonebone) like i said.. if you are a hermit.. who hates people and being around them
[14:27] (rond) don't forget that when companies are selecting where they want to build their corp head quarters, enterntainment especially sports entertainment is pretty high on the list
[14:27] (EEKoff) go home, that's somewhere
[14:27] (fonebone) then vote against it :P
[14:27] (EEKoff) nice clean home
[14:27] (fonebone) im sure rusty is all about taxes that subsidize corporations
[14:27] (fonebone) heh
[14:27] (fonebone) ;)
[14:27] (DeDannan) go home, stay home, and never leave
[14:27] (fonebone) cause they make money!
[14:27] (RustyFord) fonebone I am sure you're wrong
[14:27] (EEKoff) and have sex
[14:28] (fonebone) not to mention a big part of the original tax went to improving our schools
[14:28] (RustyFord) i don't believe in corporate subsidies either
[14:28] (DeDannan) with yourself
[14:28] (fonebone) they actually have A/C in our public schools now
[14:28] (fonebone) haha
[14:28] (fonebone) they didnt when i was there in 95
[14:28] (DeDannan) damn, and I thought we were backwards :)
[14:28] (EEKoff) sometimes with myself, even with a gf, i can't quite shake the porn addiction
[14:28] (RustyFord) (+fonebone) there didnt used to be anywhere to go in okc at night rusty (--- yeh only if you are into watching a bunch of people chase a ball around
[14:28] (fonebone) yay for 120 degree classrooms
[14:28] (fonebone) thats bs rusty
[14:29] (RustyFord) whats BS? that people are being forced to pay for something that they may not get any benefits from?
[14:29] (fonebone) JUST talking about the arena, nba, conventions, concerts
[14:29] (DeDannan) fonebone, how many clubs, restaurants, bars, etc were developed when the baseball stadium was built?
[14:29] (fonebone) and if you dont think conventions bring big money to cities
[14:30] (RustyFord) DeDannan and those clubs bars and restraunts couldn't have developed on their own?
[14:30] (RustyFord) bullshit
[14:30] (fonebone) well.. i might not use some road on the other side of town rusty.. why should i pay for that?
[14:30] (EEKoff) sure, what kind of convention?
[14:30] (fonebone) they wouldnt have rusty
[14:30] (RustyFord) why not?
[14:30] (fonebone) because.. downtown was a shithole
[14:30] (EEKoff) like comdex is going to get out of LV and head to OKC
[14:30] (EEKoff) hahhaha
[14:30] (fonebone) people were scared to go there at night
[14:30] (RustyFord) hahahaha and somehow a stadium magically made it better?
[14:30] (RustyFord) bullshit
[14:30] (fonebone) why would you build a restaurant in a place like that?
[14:30] (RustyFord) god you lefties are all the same
[14:31] (RustyFord) spend spend spend
[14:31] (fonebone) im not for ALL taxes rusty
[14:31] (RustyFord) its all good when its not your money
[14:31] (fonebone) but this one has worked
[14:31] (fonebone) and will continue to work
[14:31] (fonebone) it IS my money too
[14:31] (fonebone) its a sales tax
[14:31] (fonebone) i can hardly avoid that
[14:31] (EEKoff) at the expense of taxpayers
[14:31] (EEKoff) you are only 1 of many
[14:32] (fonebone) its not even a tax increase.. its a extension of an existing tax for 15 months
[14:32] (EEKoff) half probably think a stadium is a stupid idea
[14:32] (fonebone) welp.. thats why we have a vote
[14:32] (fonebone) :P
[14:32] (fonebone) unless you wanna start up a dictatorship
[14:32] (fonebone) thats how things are decided for the most part
[14:32] (EEKoff) sure, why not?
[14:32] (DeDannan) yep..and half probably couldn't find their asses with both hands either
[14:32] (EEKoff) i'd be a great dick
[14:33] (EEKoff) dictator
[14:33] (SweetLeaf) ya look at what Davis did to Los Angeles
[14:33] (SweetLeaf) made promises and lefyt
[14:33] (fonebone) ok rusty.. it IS going to bring in more tourism
[14:33] (fonebone) which is good
[14:33] (fonebone) its going to bring in 20-30 millionaires to the city
[14:33] (fonebone) which is good
[14:33] (fonebone) its money into the economy
[14:33] (fonebone) how is that bad?
[14:33] (EEKoff) per year?
[14:33] (EEKoff) that's it?
[14:33] (EEKoff) hahhahaha
[14:34] (fonebone) for the year that the tax exists yest
[14:34] (SweetLeaf) LA spent tons of money trying to make davis happy and he never intended to stay
[14:34] (EEKoff) how much is going to cost to run?
[14:34] (DeDannan) Titans damn sure helped revitalize downtown Nashville
[14:34] (fonebone) it doesnt work in every city sweet
[14:34] (fonebone) but we have already proved it would work when we had the hornets
[14:34] (SweetLeaf) fone we had football teams here for ever
[14:34] (SweetLeaf) the lambs never won
[14:34] (DeDannan) downtown St Louis is hopping thanks to the Cardinals, Rams, whatever the NHL team is
[14:35] (SweetLeaf) I remember Roman Gabrial
[14:35] (SweetLeaf) heh
[14:35] (EEKoff) actually, new stadium is only a gamble, you might not even get a team
[14:35] (fonebone) LA is notorious for shitty support for their teeams man
[14:35] (fonebone) heh
[14:35] (DeDannan) heh..yeah..then they moved to St Louis and won a Super Bowl :)
[14:35] (SweetLeaf) ya tell that to the dodgers
[14:35] (EEKoff) so you're pissing away money, on hopes that you might get a team
[14:35] (fonebone) basketball is the only sport that your fans come out for consistantly
[14:35] (SweetLeaf) or the lakers
[14:35] (fonebone) the dodgers have lost money for years
[14:35] (fonebone) or the clippers? oops!
[14:35] (fonebone) haha
[14:35] (DeDannan) or the Raiders :)
[14:35] (SweetLeaf) see the owners used to pay for alot o it
[14:35] (SweetLeaf) now they want us to pay for it
[14:35] (DeDannan) damn, the Raiders left LA to move back to OAKLAND! lol
[14:36] (SweetLeaf) heh
[14:36] (fonebone) its capitalism sweet
[14:36] (thx1138-) screw the raiders!
[14:36] (SweetLeaf) yup
[14:36] (fonebone) they CAN get some other city to pay for it
[14:36] (thx1138-) hey FreeTrad3
[14:36] (thx1138-) check this out: http://www.flirthermography.com/media/BCam/BCam.htm?source=pe080303-ealert_video
[14:36] (fonebone) cause no one showed up for LA raiders games
[14:36] (thx1138-) cool toy
[14:36] (fonebone) haha
[14:36] (SweetLeaf) but the idiots in charge let al davis butt fuck them
[14:36] (EEKoff) dedannan good riddence, tired of seeing mexicans in raider caps acting tough
[14:36] (DeDannan) ain't america great :)
[14:36] (SweetLeaf) then he got what he wanted from oakland
[14:36] (fonebone) as i said.. im not for ALL taxes
[14:37] (SweetLeaf) god bless america
[14:37] (SweetLeaf) and god bless mccain
[14:37] (fonebone) but ones that work arent a bad idea.. specially ones that basically make a profit for us
[14:37] (SweetLeaf) wait I dont beleave in god
[14:37] (SweetLeaf) o well sounds good
[14:37] (EEKoff) fonebone, how sure are you, that you can get a team?
[14:37] (DeDannan) good..don't believe in McCain either
[14:37] (fonebone) im not 100% sure.. but the tax is written so that if we dont we dont pay it as long
[14:38] (SweetLeaf) Well we got the lakers the dodgers the staple center heh
[14:38] (fonebone) but we are like... probably 95% certain of getting it if we pass the tax
[14:38] (fonebone) especially since the owners of the sonics WANTS to bring the team here
[14:38] (DeDannan) fonebone, isn't it the Seattle team that's looking at OKC?
[14:38] (DeDannan) ah, ok
[14:38] (fonebone) the only hurdle at this point is the NBA... and its gonna be hard for them to say no
[14:38] (fonebone) especially if we pass this tax
[14:38] (EEKoff) that's bull, 95% is a bullshit number, you're talking about drawing team away from another city, or hope there's an expansion team
[14:39] (fonebone) seattle is losing their team eek
[14:39] (fonebone) its just a matter of where they are going
[14:39] (SweetLeaf) oakland raiders sounds right but la raiders never sounded good like the losing rams la rams now they are what I know they are still losers
[14:39] (DeDannan) dunno..mid-market NBA franchises move around a lot...
[14:39] (EEKoff) fonebone, how many other cities bidding for them?
[14:39] (fonebone) new orleans is ALSO losing their team
[14:39] (fonebone) a few eek.. but the owner WANTS to bring the team here
[14:39] (fonebone) so... we are way in the lead
[14:39] (fonebone) haha
[14:40] (fonebone) new orleans will probably go to KC
[14:40] (DeDannan) damn, NO has had 2 NBA franchises, both left
[14:40] (SweetLeaf) and just up the road we got the mighty ducks and the angels and the clippers hmmm the clippers
[14:40] (fonebone) the owner is an oklahoman native.. who is the owner and ceo of one of the biggest energy corps in america... who bought the team with the intent of moving it to okc
[14:40] (DeDannan) clippers still play ball?
[14:40] (SweetLeaf) heh
[14:40] (fonebone) you dont get much better than that eek
[14:40] (fonebone) and once again.. if the team doesnt come they cut the tax short
[14:41] (DeDannan) fonebone, chesapeake?
[14:41] (fonebone) yes
[14:41] (SweetLeaf) the KC saints dont sound right
[14:41] (DeDannan) good company :)
[14:41] (fonebone) heh
[14:41] (SweetLeaf) when the saints come marching home
[14:41] (imanoff) there is no saints
[14:41] (fonebone) KC will probably get the team.. because they have invested in themselves
[14:41] (SweetLeaf) I love the team loyalty to the fans
[14:41] (DeDannan) bought CHK @ $9...then $8...then $7 :)
[14:41] (fonebone) its the hornets sweet
[14:41] (SweetLeaf) who has the money
[14:41] (DeDannan) and kept it
[14:42] (EEKoff) change it to the KC chiefettes
[14:42] (SweetLeaf) I will play for you hahahah
[14:42] (DeDannan) hornets used to be in Charlotte
[14:42] (fonebone) well.... if the team is losing money sweet
[14:42] (fonebone) why would they stick around?
[14:42] (SweetLeaf) I got money be my friend
[14:42] (EEKoff) kc not doing well lately in the nfl huh?
[14:42] (imanoff) stop always trying to get advantage on others
[14:42] (fonebone) loyalty doesnt mean you break yourself
[14:42] (fonebone) for a bad fan base
[14:42] (SweetLeaf) football sux
[14:42] (fonebone) the hornets are having a banner year and their fans still arent showing up
[14:42] (SweetLeaf) aint fun to watch anymore
[14:42] (fonebone) why should the hornest stick around?
[14:43] (EEKoff) football is a thinking man's game
[14:43] (SweetLeaf) too much money running around
[14:43] (DeDannan) football is life..all else is details
[14:43] (fonebone) the sonics fans arent showin up either
[14:43] (fonebone) if you want loyalty from a team you got to be loyal to them as well ;)
[14:43] (SweetLeaf) last football game I really watched Plunket was qb
[14:43] (EEKoff) more strategy in football than any other game in the world
[14:43] (SweetLeaf) and christianson
[14:43] (fonebone) i love football.. but i dont think an NFL team would work in okc...
[14:43] (fonebone) couldnt compete with the college football
[14:44] (Mobilekem) errr... chess.
[14:44] (DeDannan) dunno..Titans do well in Nashville
[14:44] (EEKoff) strategy plus execution, you can't get any better than football
[14:44] (Mobilekem) Sorry.... more strategy there.
[14:44] (fonebone) nashville is a bigger market
[14:44] (SweetLeaf) sept a running game is boaring
[14:44] (fonebone) okc is about 1 mil in the metro
[14:44] (fonebone) nashville is like 3 mil
[14:44] (EEKoff) kem, i'm talking sports
[14:44] (fonebone) plus memphis is right down the road
[14:44] (imanoff) even if you understand some things that others cant even if the invisible talk to you directly and tell you that you are better than another you must know better yourself as being nothing but that awareness of being
[14:45] (SweetLeaf) running game is like watching a no hitter yawn
[14:45] (DeDannan) fonebone, depends on how you figure metro
[14:45] (Mobilekem) Heh. So am I. :p
[14:45] (fonebone) connecting towns
[14:45] (imanoff) awareness of being cant be better than unawareness of being
[14:45] (fonebone) okc is huge.. people arent aware of that
[14:45] (fonebone) heh
[14:45] (imanoff) when being is never by itself
[14:45] (fonebone) its the third largest city in america by land area
[14:45] (fonebone) houston and... umm
[14:45] (EEKoff) okc is spread out
[14:45] (fonebone) i cant member the other
[14:45] (fonebone) miami?
[14:45] (EEKoff) too spread out
[14:45] (fonebone) i like it eek.. we arent too crowded
[14:46] (fonebone) traffic isnt that bad
[14:46] (fonebone) i lived in phoenix for 2 years.. traffis was horrid
[14:46] (imanoff) who is aware can try to protect that awareness from the truth
[14:46] (imanoff) what cant who is not aware
[14:46] (fonebone) pretty decent highway system in okc so you can get places quickly
[14:46] (fonebone) phoenix took 30 minutes to get anywhere cause of traffic
[14:46] (fonebone) heh
[14:47] (DeDannan) jacksonville i think
[14:47] (DeDannan) or san diego
[14:47] (DeDannan) in terms of area
[14:47] (EEKoff) fonebone, freeway system build for a spread out population
[14:47] (EEKoff) wait and see how well it does if your nba team is a great hit
[14:48] (EEKoff) now you have to spend to upgrade off and on ramps
[14:48] (imanoff) only the truth of who is being is nothing else exist but the only alive doing for itself
[14:48] (_HellMngr) let's play sim city
[14:49] (EEKoff) LA, during a lakers games, fuck, lucky if you make it home in time to clean the shit out of your pants before they dry
[14:49] (fonebone) ok.. okc is 7 now
[14:49] (fonebone) heh
[14:49] (fonebone) 3 cities in alaska are bigger
[14:49] (fonebone) and 2 in montana.. then jacksonville
[14:50] (DeDannan) Maloof Bro's still own the Clippers?
[14:51] (DeDannan) wait..Kings not Clippers
[14:52] (EEKoff) fuck the clippers, they were barely worth a dime when barkly played
[14:52] (imanoff) stop being slaves of guy
[14:52] (EEKoff) he fucked up his leg, they went from bad to worse
[14:52] (imanoff) and talk to me
[14:52] (imanoff) as any human must
[14:52] (DeDannan) eh..last time I took an interest in the NBA..Bird and Magic were still playing :)
[14:53] (EEKoff) don't even know why LA needs two teams
[14:53] (imanoff) you cant be such corrupted to my destruction
[14:54] (imanoff) you have no interest in feeling power on others
[14:54] (EEKoff) magic still alive?
[14:54] (imanoff) when you are aware that much being slaves for another
[14:55] (imanoff) wars are destructing me
[14:55] (Harsen) Barack Obama is a music video on MTV
[14:55] (Harsen) nothing more
[14:55] (imanoff) and love is not the alternative
[14:56] (EEKoff) barack obama is really a scientologist
[14:56] (Harsen) ChangeZombie!
[14:56] (Harsen) Barack Obama is a music video on MTV
[14:56] (imanoff) who want to feel loosing power by a lost miserable person must get it from another as sick as him
[14:56] (Harsen) reminds me of a 19th century travelling tonic peddler, trying to sell a bottle of "hope" that can cure all ailments, Hes a nobody, a charlatan, a mountebank
[14:57] (DeDannan) damn, our local paper is stupid
[14:57] (EEKoff) sure, it's only paper
[14:57] (imanoff) and not from a soul to destruct
[14:57] (RustyFord) (+fonebone) LA is notorious for shitty support for their teeams man (--- I forget how many championships has LA won?
[14:57] (DeDannan) Headline: "Russia's New President Faces Future"
[14:57] (EEKoff) how about the people who write it?
[14:57] (DeDannan) way to go Captain Obvious!
[14:57] (EEKoff) hahahhaha
[14:58] (EEKoff) send it off to jay leno
[14:59] (imanoff) you cant insist to see me crazy
[14:59] (EEKoff) pms
[14:59] (EEKoff) i mean pmo
[14:59] (pmo) EEKoff, ?
[15:00] (EEKoff) hello
[15:00] (EEKoff) bonjour
[15:00] (RustyFord) i wonder how long it will take for the gangster element to hit OKC if they go ahead with the arena
[15:00] (imanoff) i am not crazy i am here as anyone who deserve a ground to feel his awareness right
[15:00] (EEKoff) rusty, name one city without a gang
[15:01] (RustyFord) my city doesn't have a gang
[15:01] (DeDannan) Assclap, West Virginia
[15:01] (imanoff) why would guy get to see his ground and never me
[15:01] (Harsen) Why Canada Sucks --) http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20080227_1488_1488&page=1
[15:01] (imanoff) or anyone like you
[15:01] (TimeForCh) I consider those coffee shop old timers a kind of gang... those small towns have those all over. Very scary.
[15:01] (EEKoff) you've got mexican gangs, asian gangs, black gangs, white gangs, gangs on bikes, gangs hanging in the park, gangs shopping for clothing, gangs eating dounuts
[15:01] (pmo) EEKoff, bonjour :)
[15:02] (DeDannan) TimeForCh, and Wal-Mart greeters
[15:02] (RustyFord) intelligent
[15:02] (TimeForCh) Agreed De
[15:02] (imanoff) why should i be that blind and that empty and riduculous
[15:03] (DeDannan) shit, my little town of 35,000 has finally waked up to the fact that there are gang problems here
[15:03] (DeDannan) only took them 5-6 years
[15:03] (imanoff) why should i loose that much my awareness dignity when it is being used for being right
[15:03] (imanoff) when that is all i am
[15:03] (DeDannan) imanoff, because you're a douchebag
[15:04] (imanoff) i am not a bag of anything
[15:04] (imanoff) what i am is being used for something
[15:04] (TimeForCh) could it be considered a bag of douche?
[15:04] (imanoff) i would kept being used for sure
[15:04] (DeDannan) dunno..he could be a colostomy bag
[15:05] (imanoff) but why cant i be myself while i am used
[15:05] (imanoff) why should i feel being destructed and reduced to my own destruction
[15:05] (DeDannan) remember..the blue pill in the afternoons..the red pill in the morning
[15:06] (TimeForCh) or is it the other way? Oh crap
[15:06] (imanoff) it makes a pleasure of someone for sure it is the only reason
[15:06] (DeDannan) this is what happens when you switch them around
[15:06] (TimeForCh) better take both in the morning and the pm
[15:06] (DeDannan) no, that's what imanoff did
[15:06] (imanoff) i can reduce my dignity awareness that i always live of
[15:07] (DeDannan) see?
[15:07] (TimeForCh) ok. I se
[15:07] (imanoff) that noone can see it but myself breeding of
[15:07] (imanoff) this guy cannot get it all like that
[15:07] (imanoff) it is so disgusting
[15:08] (DeDannan) either that or it's a really shitty bot
[15:08] (imanoff) the creator cannot be that sexist
[15:09] (imanoff) stop pretending being powerful and pleased of
[15:09] (imanoff) you are not powerful
[15:09] (imanoff) and you are only slaves
[15:10] (TimeForCh) imanoff... Come on dude. At least try and make sense.
[15:11] (DeDannan) McCain picked up another troubling endorsement
[15:11] (TimeForCh) Which was?
[15:11] (imanoff) stop repeating your guess to look as someone having something to say
[15:11] (DeDannan) televangelist and anti-catholic bigot John Hagee
[15:11] (imanoff) you dont care for anything i say so shut up
[15:12] (TimeForCh) Let's see if Hannity has a fit on this one.
[15:12] (imanoff) and dont turn it against me
[15:12] (imanoff) it is you your problem being slave not me
[15:12] (imanoff) handle it within you
[15:13] (TWThomas) John Hagee is a NeoConservative Preacher
[15:13] (imanoff) these words dont make me see more your boss
[15:13] (imanoff) they are useless
[15:13] (imanoff) they show only how fucked you are
[15:13] (imanoff) and really stupid
[15:14] (DeDannan) shaddap
[15:15] (lexes) well say something, i came here for entertainment.
[15:15] (TWThomas) imanoff must be going for the dumbass vote.
[15:15] (TimeForCh) Yeh, Hagee called the Catholic church "the Great Whore" right?
[15:16] (TimeForCh) "the false cult system"
[15:16] (imanoff) how stupid you are
[15:16] (TWThomas) TimeForCh : I feel like Hagee hurts the Baptist and Catholic Dialogue
[15:16] (imanoff) all you care about is your church
[15:16] (DeDannan) TimeForCh, indeed he did
[15:16] (imanoff) fuck you and your church
[15:16] (lexes) who is hagee?
[15:16] (TimeForCh) As a Catholic, I simply cannot support McCain because of this endorsement.
[15:17] (imanoff) and the creator of your church
[15:17] (imanoff) and your bibles all together
[15:17] (DeDannan) lexes, TV preacher who just endorsed McCain
[15:17] (imanoff) and your messiah and your jesus
[15:17] (imanoff) and your soul
[15:17] (TWThomas) TimeForCh : go read John McCain's website
[15:17] (DeDannan) shaddap
[15:17] (TimeForCh) McCain must reject this association.
[15:17] (TimeForCh) What does it say? Did he accept this endorsement?
[15:17] (lexes) why should he? what does it matter who endorses you? That does not mean that you think like they do.
[15:18] (imanoff) you dont think
[15:18] (imanoff) you have to be someone to think
[15:18] (imanoff) you are noone
[15:18] (imanoff) i dont think how could you think
[15:18] (TWThomas) TimeForCh : http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/9af1cb39-a999-4e38-93a9-541660174ba4.htm
[15:18] (lexes) what? did i get here for the intelligent insult hour of the evening?
[15:19] (imanoff) you only try to survive by avoiding what destroy you
[15:19] (TimeForCh) Doesn't sound to me he is rejecting his endorsement?
[15:19] (imanoff) you have no secret of life to think it
[15:19] (DeDannan) Obama repudiated Farakhan's endorsement...McCain should do the same to Hagee's
[15:20] (TimeForCh) Yes DeDannan
[15:20] (TimeForCh) Absolutely.
[15:20] (lexes) well, obama has campaign centers set up with the cuban flag hanging and Mr DoRight Ted Kennedy endorsed him yadayadayadayada ... a lot of endorsements are questionable.
[15:20] (RustyFord) what'd Hagee do?
[15:20] (TimeForCh) I am being ironic lexes
[15:20] (DeDannan) lexes, it was a volunteer workers office..and Obama asked that the flag be removed when he found out about it
[15:21] (lexes) TimeForCh well, i was not particularly aiming my remarks at you.
[15:21] (TimeForCh) DeDannan, people love buying into propoganda.
[15:21] (TWThomas) Pastor John Hagee and Benjamin Netanyahu are friends
[15:21] (DeDannan) TimeForCh, so it seems
[15:21] (TimeForCh) Sounds like John Hagee and McCain are buddies too.
[15:21] (lexes) yeah, obama has a thing for not liking flags.
[15:21] (TimeForCh) Let's just see if fair and balanced Sean Hannity is outraged by this endorsement.
[15:22] (TimeForCh) lexes... More propogranda.
[15:22] (DeDannan) fairly unbalanced Sean Hannity :)
[15:22] (TWThomas) TimeForCh : no Obama hates flags and symbols
[15:22] (TimeForCh) You want links of him leading hte Senate in the pledge of allegiance with his hand on his heart? You want pictures?
[15:22] (DeDannan) TIMMAY!!!
[15:23] (TWThomas) He only wants his symbol or campaign symbol to prevalent in this world.
[15:23] (TimeForCh) lexes? You into that propoganda as well?
[15:23] (RustyFord) so what'd Hagee do that McCain should disavow his endorsement?
[15:23] (yowz||) you're on a golf course, your hit a ball into the water....it pops back out....know what you call that? "a teddy kennedy"
[15:23] (DeDannan) Hagee is an anti-catholic bigot
[15:24] (TimeForCh) Rusty, he calls the Catholic church a "cult" a "whore".
[15:24] (RustyFord) hahaha
[15:24] (RustyFord) but its true
[15:24] (TimeForCh) Oh yeh Rusty? What great religion do you practice?
[15:24] (RustyFord) catholics are ferkin' nuts
[15:24] (RustyFord) I don't practise
[15:24] (TimeForCh) Then what do you know about Catholics.
[15:24] (DeDannan) ah..another anti-catholic bigot
[15:24] (RustyFord) i was raised catholic
[15:25] (TimeForCh) Being Catholic isn't what made you nuts Rusty. It must of been other things.
[15:25] (RustyFord) ahh i see, so now I am "nuts" because I believe Catholicism is a cult
[15:25] (RustyFord) neato!
[15:25] (DeDannan) nah.just a bigot
[15:25] (TimeForCh) Just a bigot
[15:25] (RustyFord) uh huh
[15:26] (TimeForCh) Explain exactly how catholics are a cult?
[15:26] (EEKoff) explain exactly they are not?
[15:27] (TimeForCh) Then it could easily be said that all religions are cults then. Is that what you are saying?
[15:27] (DeDannan) bzzzt..burden of proof belongs to the claimant
[15:27] (yowz||) why so bitter rusty, were you an altar boy or something?
[15:27] (|mperitus) Cults turn into religions when they acheive sufficient numbers to be mainstream.
[15:28] (RustyFord) who said I was bitter?
[15:28] (TimeForCh) So Rusty, are all religions cults?
[15:28] (RustyFord) cool, so far i have been called a bigot and bitter simply because I don't believe in the catholic church
[15:28] (TimeForCh) You can not believe Rusty. That is fine. You called it a cult. That is my problem.
[15:29] (RustyFord) Time our conversation is done, I tend not to converse with people that feel the need to call others names based upon an opinion
[15:29] (DeDannan) +TimeForCh) Rusty, he calls the Catholic church a "cult" a "whore".
[15:29] (DeDannan) (+RustyFord) hahaha
[15:29] (DeDannan) (+RustyFord) but its true
[15:29] (TimeForCh) You called me a cult member. Don't be high and mighty that you didn't provoke being called a bigot.
[15:29] (|mperitus) seriously though, I thought there were a few defining characteristics of when a religion was a cult that included things, like creating barriers between the members and the outside world.
[15:29] (DeDannan) now he's a liar
[15:29] (RustyFord) cult A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
[15:30] (RustyFord) and in my opinion thats exactly what the catholic church is
[15:30] (TimeForCh) So Rusty, you won't answer. Are all religions cults?
[15:30] (TimeForCh) Surely, you think that mormonism is....
[15:30] (yowz||) rusty, i'm not catholic, i was shitting you....i personally could give a shit what you call em
[15:30] (RustyFord) i think the American Heritage dictionary explains it well enough for me
[15:30] (rond) One mans religion is another mans cult
[15:30] (DeDannan) and one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, right?
[15:30] (|mperitus) cult is to religion as extremeist is to believer.
[15:31] (rond) No idea on that one
[15:31] (DeDannan) heh, go figger
[15:31] (FreeTrad3) Ded, No.. I would have to accept moral relativism to beleive that and I don't.
[15:31] (rond) but I do know that lots of religions are considered cults by other religions
[15:31] (FreeTrad3) Morality is subject to a lot of debate and subjective values. But I draw lines.
[15:31] (DeDannan) FT, yep..it's a stupid analogy
[15:31] (lexes) TimeForCh sorry i was afk, propoganda? I saw obama take "that" pin off his lapel.
[15:32] (DeDannan) lexes, did you now?
[15:32] (DeDannan) when/where?
[15:32] (rond) and yes in certain religios book stores you "can" find books that call catholism a cult
[15:32] (TimeForCh) Rusty is so level headed...
[15:32] (FreeTrad3) Right, if I only accepted my own morality I would be very ego centric and if I accepted any morality I would be a fool.
[15:32] (DeDannan) and you can find books that claim the earth is flat
[15:32] (lexes) DeDannan yeah, and you can search it on you tube and find it yourself also.
[15:32] (rond) I am not saying it is dedannon
[15:33] (DeDannan) and books that claim UFO's have landed and taken people for joyrides around the cosmos
[15:33] (rond) I am just supporting my comment on what is a cult
[15:33] (RustyFord) WATERLOO, Iowa — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
[15:33] (DeDannan) lexes, nah..you said you saw it...so tell us where and when
[15:33] (TimeForCh) And lexes, Obama not wearing a flag on his lapel was simply a statement he was making...
[15:33] (ProfLupin) not wearing a pin always does not show lack of patriotism.. refusing to ever wear teh flag, however.. does.
[15:33] (RustyFord) "The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.
[15:33] (RustyFord) "I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview.
[15:33] (lexes) DeDannan i saw it on the news and i looked it up on you tube once for someone also.
[15:33] (lexes) TimeForCh not particularly the sort of statement i want to hear.
[15:34] (TimeForCh) I remember before 9/11 you didn't see the lapel pin that much.
[15:34] (DeDannan) seems to me anyone who judges a persons patriotism by how they accessorize their wardrobe...is a pretty shallow person
[15:34] (TimeForCh) So lexes, as long as you wear a lapel pin, you are cool.
[15:34] (TimeForCh) You are patriotic.
[15:34] * ProfLupin bet that Obama hasn't flown the flag at his house, before or after 9/11
[15:34] (lexes) TimeForCh annnnnnnnd the wayyyyy he said "that" pin, with disgust in his tone.
[15:34] (DeDannan) I haven't either..big deal
[15:34] (RustyFord) ProfLupin heheh maybe one of those rainbow flags
[15:34] (TimeForCh) LOL lexes
[15:35] (lexes) TimeForCh why did he even make a big deal out of it. Why didn't he just not wear it and say nada?
[15:35] (DeDannan) a plastic pin...probably made in China
[15:35] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: Why doesn't he wear it once, to show he has no problem with it?
[15:35] (TimeForCh) What is the point of making a statement and not commenting on it. He wanted to let those that "wear" a flag, they don't own patriotism in their pocket.
[15:35] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: the point is he refuses to wear a flag, or fly a flag.. ever .. that's important.
[15:36] (TimeForCh) I am watching a movie and just saw Don Rumsfeld wearing a lapel pin. I DO NOT consider him patriotic at all.
[15:36] (DeDannan) why?
[15:36] (ProfLupin) I dont' wear a pin as well.. but i have no problem with wearing one.
[15:36] (lexes) To me it just emphasized that he does not support us being in Iraq, does not support our troops and has even said, he hasn't since the beginning.
[15:36] (FreeTrad3) Ded, It is a mistake to say that if you dont agree with me completely your not patriotic.. Of course if you say I want Al Queda to kill our soilders then you are not patriotic (I know you dont feel that way, but as an example).. Some claim patriotism as a sign that you agree with them on everything, others thing that no act of free speech is unpatriotic.
[15:36] (FreeTrad3) Thats a big problem I see today is extremism from all alround.
[15:36] (FreeTrad3) Around.
[15:36] (DeDannan) FT, plenty on both sides agreed
[15:37] (TimeForCh) I agree too FT
[15:37] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: No, why does Obama refuse to honor the flag even once?
[15:37] (TimeForCh) Prof, define honor?
[15:37] (RustyFord) I am quite positive that Don Rumsfeld has done more for this country in half his lifetime than you ever will or could in 3 lifetimes pal
[15:37] (DeDannan) my mother-in-law flies a US flag in front of her house..she's from Germany...why does she do it? because her late husband was a soldier..
[15:38] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: Okay, why does he refuse to fly the flag even once.. to salute the flag even once?
[15:38] (TimeForCh) Yeh, He sent a lot of kids under equipped in Iraq. that was something he should be proud of.
[15:38] (DeDannan) and she can't stand bush...
[15:38] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: soldiers are _always_ under equipted.. you can't supply each and every soldier with 2.5 billion dollars worth of gear.
[15:38] (RustyFord) geee that couldn't be because of Clintons gutting of the military could it?
[15:38] (RustyFord) now hush
[15:38] (TimeForCh) Salute the flag. Maybe he considers not being a soldier as a reason. I never salute it. I put my hand on my heart.
[15:38] (|mperitus) does he refuse to say the pledge, does he refuse to stand at the national anthum? does he use flags as rags? I don't believe he does, and untill I see that I wouldn't go so far as to say he doesn't homor the flag, a pin != the flag.
[15:39] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: okay, yes.. salute and/or hand over heart..
[15:39] (FreeTrad3) I was listening today to Rush Limbaugh since I've been criticising him and not listenting to him much I decided to listen to him. And why yes I still think he things the Republican party is made in his own image of it. In some cases he was unfairly attacked. But in his case if he was simply more humble, And suprisingly today he did show some humility he would be a much more likeable person. What makes him annoying is his view thay his way is "the way" and
[15:39] (RustyFord) you go to war with what yah got, not always with what you want
[15:39] * n00b840 is now known as OcDoc
[15:39] (TimeForCh) Prof, you want pictures of his hand on his heart? or video?
[15:39] (FreeTrad3) You dont have to like Bush to be a Patriot..
[15:39] (ProfLupin) |mperitus: he refuses to hold his hand over his heart to say the pledge... when appropriate. Such as opening the Senate.
[15:39] (lexes) Maybe because of his muslim roots, who will not worship idols, infact they will not even draw or paint anything made by Allah. Makes me wonder what his artwork in his home looks like.
[15:39] (TimeForCh) Prof, where are you getting this crap?
[15:39] (FreeTrad3) I do think there is a certain respect the office is deserving of. No matter who sits in it, but that is my opinion.
[15:39] (|mperitus) he doesnt put his hand on his heard for the pledge? Hum, that's kinda troubling.
[15:39] * davtek2 is now known as davtek
[15:40] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: Um, like live video at the start of congress? live video during the pledge during the STate of the Union?
[15:40] (TimeForCh) I will get you some Prof. Hold on.
[15:40] (davtek) tyvm starly nice bot personthingy
[15:40] (ProfLupin) |mperitus: that he doesn't regularly wear a pin.. that i could care less.
[15:40] (DeDannan) Pledge during the SOTU?
[15:40] (FreeTrad3) I think certain acts and statements about the President be it Bush or Clinton go over the line of good manners at the very least and sometimes borderline criminality.
[15:40] (DeDannan) when did that start?
[15:40] (RustyFord) www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjwX_V34Z5g (--- Obama Refuses To Put Hand Over Heart For National Anthem
[15:41] (DeDannan) hmmm..methinks ProfLupin just made that last one up
[15:41] (FreeTrad3) And I think sometimes it can be unpatriotic but thats a pretty bad accusation and should be able to defend it.
[15:41] (ProfLupin) But when you have a function when the entire house and senate are meeting, the entire US supreme court is there.. the president and VP..
[15:41] (TimeForCh) http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/barack-obama-refused-to-say-the-pledge-of-allegiance-youve-been-played-for-a-daggone-fool/
[15:41] (ProfLupin) lol.. that doesn't look like a .gov sight
[15:42] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: I don't say the pledge either
[15:42] (TimeForCh) You know Rusty, he has clearly said that he sometimes puts his hand on his heart. Sometimes he doesn't. I was taught you only needed to face the flag.
[15:42] (OcDoc) the pledge of allegiance is a commie plot
[15:42] (FreeTrad3) I dont like the hate bush language, I hope and I do not remember that well but I Hope my side wasnt that bad toward Clinton.
[15:42] (FreeTrad3) Defeat your politican enemy, Hating them doesnt do much good.
[15:42] (OcDoc) I don't care if someone says the pledge or puts his hand over his heart anyway
[15:42] (DeDannan) hmmm...when does the Pledge come during the SOTU? anyone?
[15:42] (FreeTrad3) And often as we have seen its based on infantile reasoning.
[15:42] (FreeTrad3) Heya Oc!
[15:42] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, Nor do I.
[15:43] (FreeTrad3) IN fact I dont put my hand over my heart.
[15:43] (flmcon) I say the pledge But I want to add, As long as we don't go socialist .
[15:43] (OcDoc) it's all mumbo jumbo pseudopatriotism
[15:43] (FreeTrad3) I dont sing the star spangled banner, I wont sing in public, unless its for money.
[15:43] (RustyFord) well it would be nice if our PRESIDENT was PATRIOTIC
[15:43] (RustyFord) heh
[15:43] (Mykl) LOL
[15:43] (FreeTrad3) Context is everything.
[15:43] (DeDannan) next we'll be requiring loyalty oaths
[15:43] (TimeForCh) Define Patriotic?
[15:43] (Mykl) ya Rusty that video is bad
[15:43] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: heh ... If I sing, people head for the exits
[15:43] (ProfLupin) TimeForCh: Well, if you wish to support someone who takes a literal shit on the graves of our soldiers buried at Arlington.. hell, he'ld probably pinch out a loaf over JFK's eternal flame, to try to put it out.. well, that is your right.. but it'sfuckedup.
[15:43] (TimeForCh) Wearing a pin? putting your hand on your heart. Could be faking.
[15:44] (|mperitus) I don't care if joe schmoe down the street doesn't put his hand on his heart when the pledge or national anthem are being said/sung, but this guy wants to be president, he should be model of patriotism.
[15:44] (OcDoc) RustyFord: why? I only care what he does, not what motions he goes through for the sake of appearance
[15:44] (FreeTrad3) If I am at a John Birch meeting I wont say the pledge, if i am the whitehouse dinner and as you know I am invited all the time ;)I would ...
[15:44] (flmcon) Freetrad3 yea I haven't quit my day job ether.
[15:44] (RustyFord) nobody said anything about him refusing to SAY the pledge, only that he willfully failed to properly respect the flag
[15:44] (accent`) hillary is drunk
[15:44] (accent`) drinking moonshine
[15:44] (Mykl) accent: again?
[15:44] (DeDannan) FT, I'd hope if you were at a John Birch meeting...you'd leave :)
[15:44] (TimeForCh) In what way Rusy? standing at attention facing it not good enough for you?
[15:44] (flmcon) accent no she isn't
[15:45] (accent`) mykl: yes
[15:45] (RustyFord) you don't understand english very well do you
[15:45] (FreeTrad3) Ded, hahaha, I would.. But I was trying to illustrate something and what better illustration of a group I wouldnt want to comply with ;)
[15:45] (TimeForCh) Watch at a football game or a baseball game. Then talk about disrespecting the flag.
[15:45] (|mperitus) if hillary looses she shoudl fall off the bandwagon get trashed and go on b-list celebrity shows liek the sureal life.
[15:45] (OcDoc) Rusty: I don't respect the flag either ... it's just a symbol ... I love my country, not the flag
[15:45] (Mykl) accent: she needs some p0t
[15:45] (TimeForCh) I bet that is a lot of Rep. too. Ban them.
[15:45] (DeDannan) I think they say the Pledge at Klan rallies too
[15:45] (accent`) no shes already crazyyy
[15:45] (accent`) :D
[15:45] (FreeTrad3) See, Hillary is a drunk is absurd.. It could be a joke but if it were used in political discourse it would be unacceptable.
[15:45] (Mykl) big time crazy
[15:45] (RustyFord) OcDoc thats your choice, and you aren't running for president as far as I know
[15:45] (FreeTrad3) And similarly to say Bush is a Fascist is also absurd.
[15:45] (lexes) my grandfather was running for nothing, but he was a WWI vet and had extremely great pride for the American Flag. Taught me how to fold it properly and taught me the rules of when to raise it and when to lower it and how to treat it when i was only 5 years old.
[15:45] (accent`) i used to like her too :D
[15:46] (OcDoc) RustyFord: no, and I won't run for prez either
[15:46] (FreeTrad3) We have not had a fascist for president ever to my kwowlege.
[15:46] (TimeForCh) What part of standing at attention facing the flag during the anthem is disrespectful?
[15:46] (OcDoc) RustyFord: but not because I'm not patriotic ... fake patriots give me the pip
[15:46] (lexes) And I have great respect for my grandfather and i now thus do for our flag.
[15:46] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: CNN had a picture of her boozing it up..
[15:46] (Mykl) Lupin:wow
[15:46] (OcDoc) I usually try to behave politely when I'm a guest of other people
[15:47] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: I wonder what brand beer in that keg was.. heh.. Schlitz Malt Liqour?
[15:47] (flmcon) Freetrad3 Would it be more accurate to say the Hillary and Obamas Government inforced health care plans are mor Fascist than Socialist ?
[15:47] (DeDannan) patriotism is the easiest thing in the world to fake
[15:47] (EEKoff) you know the clintons like to booze it up, look at the puffs under their eyes
[15:47] (lexes) They still make Schlitz?
[15:47] (DeDannan) or one of the easiest anyway
[15:47] (ProfLupin) flmcon: the two are not mutually exclusive..
[15:47] (OcDoc) flmcon: it's both
[15:47] (TimeForCh) No one can answer? Why is Obama standing facing the flag during the anthem disrespectful and unpatriotic? No one can say.
[15:47] (EEKoff) bush on the other hand, no puffs, coke doesn't give you puffs
[15:48] (|mperitus) hand on heart isn't fake patriotism, it's just good form, liek taking off your hat when eating in a resturant.
[15:48] (ProfLupin) flmcon: for the US, it would be socialist, but not fascist [ since we're a representative republic ]
[15:48] (flmcon) Proflupin So ? What do you mean by that ?
[15:48] (RustyFord) a president is responsible in representing our country and respecting what our country stands for, dismissing our national identity as time has proceeded disrespectful in MY humble opinion to all those people who have fought and died and sacrificed so much so that we can live in freedom
[15:48] (OcDoc) TimeforCh: maybe you should ask the person who claimed it was disrespectful?
[15:48] (FreeTrad3) I dont want this misinterpreted becuause in the war effort he did a lot of good, but the closest we probably came to a fasicst was FDR and his attempt to consolidate and use powers which were clearly unconstitutional. Trying to create more members of the supreme court to place his people on, Trying to order price and wage controls which I would find in my opinion unconstitutional period, but if it were not unconstitional (Its been done a couple times or mo
[15:48] (EEKoff) obama's wife even said she had no faith in the country
[15:48] (TimeForCh) She did not EEK
[15:48] (EEKoff) she did
[15:48] (OcDoc) Imperitus: if I were visiting someone else's country, I would try to behave politely ... this is MY country and I behave anyway I want to
[15:49] (ProfLupin) Obama's wife had no respect for the united states until now.
[15:49] (TimeForCh) Where is the quote.
[15:49] (FreeTrad3) You could try to claim emergency powers I guess under martial law, but that would have to be well supported by the facts on the ground.
[15:49] (TimeForCh) respect? Was that the word?
[15:49] (EEKoff) in an interview
[15:49] (FreeTrad3) Like an insurrection.
[15:49] (TimeForCh) What interview.
[15:49] (RustyFord) hahaha no matter what the facts are, TimeForCh will deny them
[15:49] (L0c0) The first 63 days of the year have seen 78 murders in Cd. Juarez, Chih. Mexico
[15:49] (RustyFord) its so lovely
[15:49] (L0c0) more than 1 murder/day
[15:49] (L0c0) how nuts is that
[15:49] (DeDannan) TimeForCh, must be the one Fox News faked
[15:49] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[15:49] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[15:49] (davtek) kinda like dc
[15:49] (ProfLupin) l0c0; what is the population?
[15:49] (Pinki) Back everyone...for a little bit at least
[15:49] (davtek) theres a shooting or two every nite
[15:49] (lexes) yeah, it's crazy, people supporting obama really better take a closer look at him. No one can tell you anything he has done or plans to do, other than change, change what?
[15:50] (TimeForCh) What are the facts Rusty. HEck this is coming from someone who thinks a religion as established as Catholicism is a cult.
[15:50] (OcDoc) Pinki: front everyone
[15:50] (Mykl) someone shot up a Wendy's today
[15:50] (Mykl) heh
[15:50] (L0c0) ProfLupin: about 2mil
[15:50] (davtek) i hate their chili too
[15:50] (L0c0) ProfLupin: abuot the same as Houston, Tx
[15:50] (Nowherema) was it michael douglas ?
[15:50] (Mykl) I think that is why
[15:50] (ProfLupin) Mykl: yea.. they were told Wendy's ran out of Whoppers
[15:50] (EEKoff) the food they serve, i'd shoot at wendy's also
[15:50] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: an established religion can't be a cult?
[15:50] (Mykl) hehe
[15:50] (flmcon) Any Obama Supporters in here?
[15:50] (TimeForCh) It can be Oc.. But the Catholic church is not
[15:50] (TimeForCh) Of course flmcon
[15:50] (RustyFord) its so nice that people can believe in such an empty suited, no idea, smooth talking lefty
[15:51] (davtek) but not enough to shoot the cook
[15:51] (lexes) He's selling everyone hope, that's all people are wanting is hope and hoping the change will be good. Man, like signing your name on a document without reading it. Then you get your monthly statement and go, "Say what????"
[15:51] (flmcon) Timeforce Are you one ?
[15:51] (TimeForCh) Rusty, it is also nice to see some supporting war mongers like McCain
[15:51] (|mperitus) OcDoc that's fine, I don't advocate enforcing behavior such as hand heart pledges, I jus tthink it's bad form to not do it, people notice that sort of thing and do see it as disrespect.
[15:51] (yxhvuud) OcDoc: I think the definitions of cult and religion only differs on the amount of people adhering to them :)
[15:51] (flmcon) ch
[15:51] (ChgeZombi) change????
[15:51] (RustyFord) hahaha war mongers hahaha
[15:51] (FreeTrad3) And only reason I would say FDR is because fascism was actually had some popularity in academia. THe Italian model was lauded by some as efficient and We sent a delegation to Italy to try to form an alliance of sorts with Mussolini at the bequest of Joe Kennedy and an exploratory group approved to talk to Mussoliny by FDR but while it was being put together he joined the Nazis.
[15:51] (ChgeZombi) did someone say...'change?
[15:51] (RustyFord) thats all you leftys "War MONGERS!"
[15:51] (L0c0) ProfLupin: most of the killings are drug related (hits on opposing members of cartels and police)
[15:51] (FreeTrad3) He= Mussolini.
[15:51] (RustyFord) +got
[15:51] (DeDannan) or empty suited brainless babblers like dubya
[15:51] (EEKoff) i want change! i want obama to change his slogan and get a real slogan!
[15:51] (TimeForCh) Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran..... Remember?
[15:52] (RustyFord) yeh i thought it was funny
[15:52] (Nowherema) mykl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eREiQhBDIk
[15:52] (EEKoff) what the fuck is "change"... change from what to what?
[15:52] (TimeForCh) 100 years in Iraaq if necessary....
[15:52] (OcDoc) Imperitus: some religions "forbid" certain actions that otherwise would be considered good form
[15:52] (Yaakov) http://kovaya.com/pictures/cd.jpg
[15:52] (OcDoc) for example
[15:52] (RustyFord) I think we should make Iraq part of the USA
[15:52] (TimeForCh) Figured you would Rusty. You get a hard on when a missle goes up.
[15:52] (ChgeZombi) resistance is futil
[15:52] (OcDoc) some people aren't allowed to swear on a bible for example
[15:52] (yxhvuud) ft: fascism was pretty popular in some circles of big business as well
[15:52] (lexes) McCain doesn't want war, anymore than the next guy. Sheeesh, he would know that better than anyone having been what he has been through. HOWEVER, McCain does know how things need to be maneuvered properly and timely so we don't have to go back there to a worse mess later.
[15:53] (EEKoff) rusty, impratical, better to annex mexico first
[15:53] (|mperitus) OcDoc,t hat's irrelivant unless you can point out a religious or moral code that contradicts putting your hand on your heart during a pledge.
[15:53] (TimeForCh) Believe what you want lexes. and I wll as well.
[15:53] (ProfLupin) L0c0: not unlike the US.. when you subtract gang or drug related murders.. the murder rate is substantially lower.
[15:53] (lexes) oh RustyFord, don't worry, in the not too far future Iraq will be buying up America.
[15:53] (TimeForCh) Kind of like you take away the poor, we are all rich.
[15:53] (OcDoc) Imperitus: it's not irrelevant ... it's just a little aside
[15:53] (ProfLupin) recognizing that war is necessary does not mean one wants war.
[15:53] (EEKoff) annex mexico, change the name to Sud de Rio Grande, that should really piss off the mexicans
[15:53] (RustyFord) haha lexes, yeh if we let that insane lefty take the reigns
[15:54] (FreeTrad3) I don't see it as disrespect imperitus because times have changed,in 1950 it would have been disrespect, today I dont think so. For a lot of people they dont know what to do. I recently was presented with this and I didnt do it. I didnt want to feel compelled by a group to do it. I believe in the pledge of allegiance and I dont have to prove it to anyone. Accept the god part
[15:54] (Pinki) |mperitus: You could claim that any Abrahamic religion would deem putting your hand over your heart and pledging allegiance to the flag as a sin
[15:54] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: different question ... the question is "Why are they poor in a rich nation?"
[15:54] (EEKoff) OcDoc, to serve the rich?
[15:54] (EEKoff) hehehhehe
[15:54] (FreeTrad3) customs change
[15:54] (OcDoc) EEkoff: ooookaaaayy
[15:54] (|mperitus) If he was to make such a claim he would be well advised to explain it, since it's not a view the average person will understand.
[15:54] (TimeForCh) Let's see, 6 years of war, 9 trillion dollar debt. near recession... Dollar worth crap... Great job bush white house.
[15:55] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: the difference to me is... not habitually doing something, versus refusing to do something.
[15:55] * ChgeZombi is now known as BarnyFyef
[15:55] (BarnyFyef) got to nip it in the bud
[15:55] (EEKoff) liberals and their hit and run
[15:55] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: i.e. I do not habitually wear a flag pin.. but if warranted or asked, i wouldn't refuse to.
[15:55] (FreeTrad3) I support the Bush white house and support the policy, I dont support the excessive spending.
[15:55] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: how much did the national debt change during Clinton? was it his fault?
[15:55] (BarnyFyef) nip it
[15:55] (BarnyFyef) in the bud
[15:55] (Pinki) I refuse to say the pledge because it does have Under God in it
[15:55] (FreeTrad3) Federal government should spend most its money on national defense.
[15:55] * ProfLupin was flying his US flag on the morning of 9/11
[15:55] (RustyFord) yes the 9 trillion dollar debt is all Bush's fault hahahha
[15:55] * BarnyFyef is now known as ChgZombi
[15:55] (RustyFord) good try
[15:55] (OcDoc) Pinki: good example
[15:55] (FreeTrad3) States should spend theirs on social programs and education if anyone should.
[15:56] (TimeForCh) Rusty, didn't say it was all his fault.
[15:56] (RustyFord) it was implied well enough
[15:56] (TimeForCh) But he ran on reducing the debt.
[15:56] (flmcon) Freetrad3 I am sure with you on that one.
[15:56] (RustyFord) he did?
[15:56] (ProfLupin) Pinki: and I ommit 'under god' when i say it.
[15:56] * ChgZombi drove down to the pentagon on 9-11
[15:56] (|mperitus) Pinki, that's your choice, but if you ran for president expect to be called on that since many people will fid that stance questionable.
[15:56] (TimeForCh) He said his tax policies would reduced the debt.
[15:56] (flmcon) Whend did the Federal government become Momie ?
[15:56] (FreeTrad3) Bomb Bom Bomn Iran remember / Democrats were on board. and they cant say now they werent andtry to LIE their way out..
[15:56] (RustyFord) he did?
[15:56] (flmcon) Mommie
[15:56] (FreeTrad3) The whole fucking country was on board
[15:56] (Pinki) ProfLupin: I used to...in school cause they would give me detention if I didn't say it
[15:56] (OcDoc) ProfLupin: I don't pledge allegiance to a flag ... I support my country as long as it respects my freedom and rights
[15:56] (FreeTrad3) So Shame on the country for approving the bombing and now acting self rightous like they didnt.
[15:57] (RustyFord) actually he said that the surplus was from government over taxing the people
[15:57] (RustyFord) heh
[15:57] (lexes) This country was founded under God because that is how our forefathers won it, because they wanted freedom of religion. They fought under God, no matter what others think.
[15:57] (ProfLupin) OcDoc: and see, you openly say that.. so that is fine as well.
[15:57] (EEKoff) you know what's funny? when city councils draw up a "resolution" condemning a federal act, like the iraq war.... really funny, like a city resolution is worth more than toilet paper, at least toilet paper won't cut up my ass
[15:57] (TimeForCh) uh Rusty, he did say that.. So you are saying that he ran stating he would increase the National Debt?
[15:57] (flmcon) Ocdoc ^5 thats the right you have in a free country
[15:57] (ProfLupin) OcDoc: you don't try to weasel out of admitting why you don't.
[15:57] (yxhvuud) lexes: if god doesn't exist, then they didn't fight under god.
[15:57] (FreeTrad3) city resolutions cost money and have no force of law and often piss people off.
[15:57] (lexes) yxhvuud funny, but they won, didn't they?
[15:58] (RustyFord) TimeForCh, he said flat out that the country had a surplus because the government was over taxing the people
[15:58] (FreeTrad3) Trust me, living in Berkeley I know.
[15:58] (RustyFord) heh
[15:58] (Pinki) |mperitus: Separation of church and state...this country in my opinion should not be considered united under God...and I would not deem anyone less of a person for not believing that too
[15:58] (TimeForCh) he did say that.. I know.
[15:58] (RustyFord) debt is not necessarily a bad thing
[15:58] (EEKoff) freetrade, when i was in southern california, i saw like 2 of those go on, funny as hell
[15:58] (RustyFord) you don't know squat pal
[15:58] (SweetLeaf) Just think if they had decided to quit during the american revolution heh
[15:58] (TheTailor) Tomorrow
[15:58] (TimeForCh) But he also said lower taxes would create a surplus and help with the National debt.
[15:58] (yxhvuud) lexes: how does the end result have anything to do with god?
[15:58] (RustyFord) the only thing you got is sitting here denying the facts and making up new ones as you go along
[15:58] (ChgZombi) back the truck up...all religions reconize god'
[15:58] (SweetLeaf) what if lincoln had listened to the dimocraps during the civil war
[15:58] (SweetLeaf) they wanted to quit
[15:58] (lexes) Pinki maybe take a look at how many votes Huckabee is still getting. You think the majority of people here don't believe in God?
[15:58] (FreeTrad3) EEK, its an absurd waste of time and this goddamn city councils idiocy has cost this town 100s of 1000s in tax money.
[15:58] (RustyFord) welp enough of that dude
[15:58] (flmcon) Pinki you can choose your God.
[15:59] (OcDoc) debt is okay as long as you can make the payments with interest
[15:59] (RustyFord) why do i always feel like i just got slimed after getting done with talking to a lefty
[15:59] (TimeForCh) It is nice to sit there and see all our problems, and say Bush had nothing to do with any of the national problems.
[15:59] (RustyFord) hehe
[15:59] (Pinki) lexes: Um lack of votes Huckabee is getting?
[15:59] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[15:59] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[15:59] (|mperitus) Pinki, I'm not disagreeing with your stance I'm just pointing out that small acts like that, regardless of how well thought out or what their meaning, are often judged harshly but people who don't share those convictions.
[15:59] (lexes) yxhvuud i can't help what you believe. I happen to believe in God.
[15:59] (SweetLeaf) dimocrpaps are fickle
[15:59] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: who said that?
[15:59] (TimeForCh) Rusty thinks Bush is infallible.
[15:59] (FreeTrad3) They ought to hang the son of a bitch mayor in the city square (Its legal to say that about a mayor, I am not conspiring I am offering an example of my angst)
[15:59] (croz) Bush IS infallible.
[15:59] (TimeForCh) and also patriotic because he wears a flag on his lapel.
[16:00] (FreeTrad3) If by due process of law you could hang him I probably would support it.
[16:00] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: "lawfully execute" is a safe phrase.
[16:00] (lexes) Pinki for a man spending virtually no money compared to other candidates, Huckabee did amazing well, and still continues to do amazingly well.
[16:00] (EEKoff) freetrade, that's what i was thinking, also, why aren't they arranging to pick up my trash on time, i hate it when trash piles in the street past 10 am, yet they have time for some "show of force" resolution that make clowns seem like better politicians
[16:00] (ChgZombi) beliving or having trust in ...or under god....is purly an acknowlage that any man is not always in control...
[16:00] (FreeTrad3) Is his life worth before this is over possibly a million dollars in our tax money ?
[16:00] (SweetLeaf) Obama is going to have jimmy carter as vp to give him pointers on how to fuck up a government
[16:00] (ChgZombi) hence the 'acts of god' clauses in insurance claims
[16:00] (FreeTrad3) I dont think so.. But I would never act outside the law myself.
[16:00] (|mperitus) If by amazing well you mean, certain to loose then yes.
[16:00] (lexes) SweetLeaf lol
[16:00] (ChgZombi) dah
[16:00] * n00b241 is now known as OcDoc
[16:00] (Pinki) lexes: But he hasn't a chance...and I never said that religion wasn't good...I just think "God" has no place in politics
[16:00] (FreeTrad3) IM just fantasizing in a hypothetical world.
[16:00] (TimeForCh) The government is so efficient under Bush right now isn't it Sweet?
[16:01] (FreeTrad3) timeforch actually it is pretty effecient.
[16:01] (OcDoc) well, I think god is bad
[16:01] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: morally/ethically, what your mayor did, with respect to the second amendment rights of the citizens.. he should have his 1st/4th/5th/8th amendment rights stripped from him.
[16:01] (FreeTrad3) Bush brought in more revenue with tax cuts than Bill Clinton did ever.
[16:01] (RustyFord) On Feb. 6, 2000, while campaigning in Durham, New Hampshire, candidate Bush explained his philosophy on taxation just about as plainly as a politician can.
[16:01] (FreeTrad3) The problem is not the policies of bushs economic expansion which was great.
[16:01] (lexes) Pinki you're off on another track now.
[16:01] (lexes) bbiab
[16:01] (FreeTrad3) the problem was spending was never curtailed by congress
[16:01] (EEKoff) pinki, god does have a place in politics! he said in his 11th commandment, THOU SHALL VOTE FOR EEK!
[16:01] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: his declared his rights null and void by attacking the 2nd amendment rights of the lawful citizens.. oops wait, that was the mayor of San Fransisco, not Berkeley.
[16:01] (SweetLeaf) Jimmy Carter will advise obama to go to iran like he should have done and sucked the mulah's dick
[16:01] (RustyFord) "If there's a recession it's important to cut taxes to make sure the economy grows. . . . It's also important to cut the taxes where there's times of plenty. . . .
[16:01] (|mperitus) Pinki, I disagree, God, wether or not you personaly believe, is at the core of many peoples convictions, and conviction, the core of a persons beliefs, is somethign I would prefer to know and understand before i vote for or against them.
[16:01] (RustyFord) It's important to cut the taxes to make sure Washington, D.C., does not spend the surplus. . . . This is not only no new taxes. This is tax cuts so help me God." -- George W. Bush, Feb. 6, 2000
[16:01] (FreeTrad3) And if your going to blame Bush at least blame the Republicans and Democrats in Congress Equally if not more.
[16:02] (Mykl) sweet: LOL
[16:02] (TWThomas) Obama / Carter
[16:02] (RustyFord) of course I am sure that TimeForCh will try to spin what Bush said
[16:02] (TWThomas) hahaha
[16:02] (FreeTrad3) They tie up things like military spending which is a neccessity to a bridge to nowhere.
[16:02] (EEKoff) hahahhaha
[16:02] (TimeForCh) Rusty, I never said he didn't say that.
[16:02] (Mykl) Obama/Chavez
[16:02] (TimeForCh) Geez, are you deaf.
[16:02] (SweetLeaf) Dumb/Dumber
[16:02] (Pinki) |mperitus: Then maybe more people should have honest convictions that are not dependant on going to hell or not
[16:02] (|mperitus) a persons religious beliefs often guide their lives and decisions, if someone is of that inclination I want to know it.
[16:02] (FreeTrad3) and the deal is, Bush: You want money to save our troops ? Then give me my bridge to nowhere
[16:02] (RustyFord) and by the way TimeForCH that was during his campaigning in 2000
[16:02] (EEKoff) obama/carter, the blind leading the blind
[16:02] (FreeTrad3) thats the way stinking politics works.
[16:02] (Pinki) Wow that's a novel though....being good just for the sake of being good
[16:02] (OcDoc) IMperitus: true
[16:03] (|mperitus) Pini that's a seperate issue.
[16:03] (TimeForCh) So Rusty, you think we should ever pay back that 9 trillion?
[16:03] (EEKoff) but obama is black, so i'd say obama/carter, the bling leading the blind
[16:03] (Mykl) They are saying the torching of the Seattle homes is ecoterrorism
[16:03] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: pay it back to whom?
[16:03] (FreeTrad3) and the system is as corrupt as the players if not more so
[16:03] (FreeTrad3) because the system encourages this.
[16:03] (FreeTrad3) In fact it they wont allow an emergency bill without tossing in a bunch of riders 0r useless spending measures.
[16:03] (FreeTrad3) We need to change the SYSTEM
[16:03] (FreeTrad3) not the parties
[16:03] (FreeTrad3) Not the Party in power at the whitehouse.
[16:03] (ChgZombi) bling leading the blind
[16:03] (ChgZombi) he
[16:03] (ChgZombi) heh
[16:03] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: I pay my mortgage back to the guy who loaned it to me a little at a time over thirty years
[16:03] (FreeTrad3) We need a system where it is illegal to add an earmark which isnt voted on.
[16:03] (TimeForCh) It is sad that we have a major portion of our tax dollars in the budget paying interest on the national debt.
[16:04] (|mperitus) the question of wether or not religions is good or bad is different than the question of wether or not it shoudl be discused in politics.
[16:04] (OcDoc) TimeforCh: why is that sad?
[16:04] (FreeTrad3) And bush is going to eliminate them by EO..
[16:04] (TimeForCh) OcDoc. You keep buying more houses?
[16:04] (FreeTrad3) And I think COnstitutionally hes on solid ground.
[16:04] (OcDoc) TimeForCh: no, I just need one
[16:04] (OcDoc) maybe two
[16:04] (FreeTrad3) because these Riders are not voted on
[16:04] (TimeForCh) Then three?
[16:04] (EEKoff) obama in the white house, next day, mtv airs "pimp my air force 1"
[16:04] (FreeTrad3) and the constitution says congress must VOTE on spending bills
[16:04] (TimeForCh) OcDoc, does your mortgage continue to grow?
[16:04] (TWThomas) TimeForCh : you think 1 dollar can make 20000000000 Trillion dollars
[16:05] (FreeTrad3) and they Must START in the house of representatives.
[16:05] (TimeForCh) Don't even know what you mean TWT
[16:05] (lexes) Pinki i will try to explain this, but i am not too good on my history and maybe someone else can help me better here. But many people came to America to get away from the oppressive religion of Europe, which i'm not sure, must have been what? RCC? And they did fight under God, but for freedom of how they interpreted God and when they drew up the constitution they made sure they inserted separation of church and state because they did no
[16:05] (ChgZombi) if hillary wanted a slam dunk....all she had to do was broker a deal with condi rice to run as her vp
[16:05] (OcDoc) TimeforCh: no, because I wasn't stupid enough to get an ARM
[16:05] (ChgZombi) but..hinesite is 20/20
[16:05] (FreeTrad3) So Bush is not an evil or bad man or president, at least no more evil than any other president we have had since Calvin Coolidge
[16:05] (|mperitus) I'd far rather a politician comes out and says, I'm doing this becasue I believe it's what god wants, than they do the same thing and hide behind false reasons. At least with the former I know what I'm dealing with.
[16:05] (FreeTrad3) And to act like he is some special kind of evil is just pure ignorance.
[16:05] (FreeTrad3) IN fact its stupif.
[16:06] (FreeTrad3) And it shows a lack of understanding of how government works.
[16:06] (Mykl) FT: ppl are stupid sometimes
[16:06] (FreeTrad3) The goddamn system is fucked
[16:06] (EvReady) all the time
[16:06] (EEKoff) but bush conspired to cause katrina!
[16:06] (EEKoff) hahahahah
[16:06] (FreeTrad3) and its needs structural reform;
[16:06] (RustyFord) the government shouldn't have a surplus really, a suplus is representative of the government over taxing the people
[16:06] (TheTailor) ChgZombi, yeah, as if Rice hasn't said at least 1000 times whe wouldn't be interested.
[16:06] (TWThomas) TimeForCh : Change only happens you can go to a poker table and take 1 dollar and make 2000000 trillion and pay off the nations debt.
[16:06] (FreeTrad3) EEk right.
[16:06] (Mykl) EEk he caused it..didn't you know what :P
[16:06] (Mykl) what = that
[16:06] (EEKoff) mykl, i think he farted
[16:06] (TimeForCh) SO TWT, you want it to continue to grow?
[16:06] (ChgZombi) na...its a good system..just infested with immoral and untrustworthy ppl
[16:06] (FreeTrad3) If people think objectively which many in politics are incapable of.
[16:06] (FreeTrad3) consider what Bush has been through as a president.
[16:07] (Mykl) EEk: he did and caused a hurricane
[16:07] (FreeTrad3) far worse conditions than most presidents ever experience.
[16:07] (Mykl) I like Bush thou
[16:07] (L0c0) ProfLupin: my bad, 80 murders now across the border. 2 cops were ambushed while heading in to work
[16:07] (TimeForCh) I don't really care what bush has been through to be honest.
[16:07] (flmcon) mperitus do you believe the politicians when they say jesus was a Sodcialist too . ?
[16:07] (Mykl) he tough
[16:07] (FreeTrad3) FDR experienced it, Lincoln did
[16:07] (TWThomas) TimeForCh : I'm for all the growth we can promulgate if you can turn 1 dollar into 2000 trilllion
[16:07] (Pinki) I'm sorry I just don't agree...there we several atheists that help start this country...and none of them did so on Gods authority...but did so of their own desire to do whatever they wanted
[16:07] (FreeTrad3) Noone else has since lincoln..
[16:07] (FreeTrad3) The worst attack on US Soil in US History ? By a foreign power .
[16:07] (EEKoff) man, if you're going to have a city below sea level along the coast, and not expect a flood, you've got to be french
[16:07] (ChgZombi) bush will be remembered in american history as provideing a foothold situation in a part of the world that was racing towards global destruction
[16:07] (FreeTrad3) The worst natural disastor in US History ?
[16:08] (FreeTrad3) in terms of life, property and cost
[16:08] (EvReady) this is why they call it the French Quarters
[16:08] (FreeTrad3) The worst hit to the stock market in history except it bounced back unlike 1929
[16:08] (lexes) Pinki I am sure there were atheists, but the majority were probably not. Most all believers go through an atheist stage.
[16:08] (Pinki) Antietam
[16:08] (|mperitus) flmcon when I hear them say things liek that I believe I know a little more about how they think.
[16:08] (FreeTrad3) People should rething there stupidity
[16:08] (TheTailor) FT, the dust bowl?
[16:08] (FreeTrad3) OK there is plent to complain about against Bush.
[16:08] (OcDoc) ChgZombi: the elder Bush
[16:08] (Pinki) lexes: Ben Franklin was an atheist
[16:08] (RustyFord) alot of Katrina could have been prevented if the democrats didn't play politics with peoples safety
[16:08] (lexes) Pinki read the Declaration of Independence and read the US Constitution
[16:09] (FreeTrad3) My grandfather went thru the dust bowell
[16:09] (FreeTrad3) bowl
[16:09] (FreeTrad3) it was not the greatest hit to he economy in history in terms of dollars.
[16:09] (FreeTrad3) katrina was
[16:09] (EEKoff) bowel? eww!
[16:09] (Pinki) lexes: there were alot of atheists...and God was a part of vernacular in that time...
[16:09] (ChgZombi) a true atheists...wouldnt be bothered by religious squabling cus..its like argueing about ghosts and goblins to them
[16:09] (ChgZombi) magic
[16:09] (FreeTrad3) Remember America was nota wealth country before ww2.
[16:09] (Yaakov) Pinki: Why do you think Franklin was an atheist?
[16:09] (Mykl) was the Dust Bowl in Texas and Okalhoma?
[16:09] (lexes) Pinki and why would God be part of the venacular of that time?
[16:09] (EEKoff) OK
[16:09] (TheTailor) FT, Andrew was no slouch
[16:09] (Pinki) Yaakov: A biography I have about him states he was
[16:09] (FreeTrad3) We had some wealthy but the super power status of the USA came after WW2
[16:10] (Mykl) we have dust storms here in Phoenix sometimes
[16:10] (Yaakov) Pinki: His autobiaography doesn't.
[16:10] (RustyFord) Franklin was a deist
[16:10] (FreeTrad3) in 1900 50% of Americans were below the poverty rate.
[16:10] (FreeTrad3) Under Bush 13%
[16:10] (FreeTrad3) 12%
[16:10] (Pinki) lexes: Same as why we say oh my God, Jesus Christ
[16:10] (FreeTrad3) lowest in US history
[16:10] (FreeTrad3) Clinton also hit 12%
[16:10] (FreeTrad3) Kennedy hit 15%
[16:10] (lexes) Pinki gotta wonder about that, eh?
[16:10] (lexes) Pinki why do people say that?
[16:10] (|mperitus) It's trendy among atheists today to say the founding fathers were atheists, but I don't think there's any real evidence of it. mostly what I see are people point to diests and say, Oh if they lived today they'd take the next step to athiest.. wich seems arogant to me.
[16:11] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 Did they have a poverty rate in 1900 ?
[16:11] (FreeTrad3) which shows you that we are about at a maximum for lowering the poverty rate because its a misleading figure anyway
[16:11] (davtek) stfu you zombibraindeadloser
[16:11] (Pinki) Those terms are not about religion anymore
[16:11] (FreeTrad3) Its a subjective relative figure.
[16:11] (FreeTrad3) But it is compared to a relationship based on historical use.
[16:11] (FreeTrad3) so its at an all time low.
[16:11] (OcDoc) poverty is a bargaining chip for the demagogues
[16:11] (ChgZombi) i'll muster my zombi army and win this election.....just watch me
[16:11] (Pinki) |mperitus: I don't think that atheists are stating that at all...let alone that it's "trendy" to think such...
[16:12] (davtek) ya right
[16:12] (FreeTrad3) Its just that many people below the poverty level have disposable income of over 25k
[16:12] (lexes) Pinki no, they're about God.
[16:12] (Pinki) |mperitus: And you also assume that I am an atheist
[16:12] (OcDoc) before poverty meant starving in the street ... now it means you only have two televisions and three cars
[16:12] (FreeTrad3) And 25k folks even in the bay area you can live on it. barely but you can live fine.
[16:12] (debauched) Was Franklin an atheist, or a deist? He did debauch himself at the Hellfire Club, with all the British politicians, both Whig and Tory
[16:12] (Yaakov) Pinki: Franklin was a deist, by his own emphatic confession.
[16:12] (Pinki) lexes: Whatever I have to go home now...my work day is through....
[16:12] (FreeTrad3) Rent a room fro $600 thats $4800 a year leaves you 22k
[16:13] (lexes) btw Pinki if you don't use my nick to address me, i might miss one of your posts, because i am like up and down at my computer......ooooooo there ya go, you used it this time. :)
[16:13] (EEKoff) what the hell is a deist?
[16:13] (FreeTrad3) Wait
[16:13] (Pinki) Yaakov: Perhaps I misread...the words are close
[16:13] (OcDoc) night Pinki
[16:13] (davtek) wait...you irc at work?
[16:13] (Yaakov) Pinki: I can't see how a bigorapher could claim he was atheist wihtout saying that Franklin lied.
[16:13] (FreeTrad3) 20200.00
[16:13] (Yaakov) Pinki: OK.
[16:13] (lexes) Pinki have a good evening.
[16:13] (davtek) does your boss know this
[16:13] (|mperitus) I'm not actualy, I'm refering to athiests such as richard dawkins.
[16:13] (davtek) and the attitude
[16:13] (FreeTrad3) Paine was a deist and almost was hung for it..
[16:13] (Pinki) Bye everyone...I'm out of here
[16:13] (|mperitus) later.
[16:13] (FreeTrad3) But he was a very central figure in the revolution.
[16:13] (Yaakov) Pinki: He eventually rejected Christian doctrine as unworkable, but he attached himself to the moral aspects.
[16:13] * TimeFX is now known as TimeAFK
[16:13] (flmcon) bye pinki
[16:13] (debauched) aroom rent of $600 is high, where is this located? isit a rooming house, or a single family home?
[16:14] (FreeTrad3) He inspired so many americans to support the revolution his book was the top selling book in the USA in that period..
[16:14] (Pinki) I may be on tonight!
[16:14] (OcDoc) I'm an atheist ... I don't believe god exists ...
[16:14] (Yaakov) Goodnight, Pinki.
[16:14] (Pinki) Night Yaak
[16:14] (FreeTrad3) Night Pinki..
[16:14] (Yaakov) OcDoc: Fortunately, He has an abiding faith in you.
[16:14] (Pinki) Night FreeTrad
[16:14] (ChgZombi) night jon boy
[16:14] (OcDoc) Yaakov: we may never know
[16:14] (FreeTrad3) I just think a lot of this Bush blaming Bush hating needs to be put in historical context and then it makes a lot less sense unless you want to hate and bash all presidents.
[16:14] (FreeTrad3) which if you do fine.
[16:15] (FreeTrad3) But to single out bush is not showing you have a grasp on reality whoever you are.
[16:15] (Pinki) ::sings Lawrence Welk finale before leaving:: LOL
[16:15] (FreeTrad3) And definately not on history
[16:15] (debauched) Tom Paine missed being guillotined in Paris because of an erroneous marking on the door of hiscell
[16:15] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: Hate Bush is an emotional response to the failure of their wishful thinking politics
[16:15] (TheTailor) FT, it's not Bush, the left will say anything against any president if they are Republicans.
[16:15] (FreeTrad3) Well Paine wouldnt have survived in ENgland either.
[16:15] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: it's like a spoiled child stamping his foot
[16:15] * ChgZombi waits for lexes to leave and silently sings...'thanks for the mammorys'
[16:16] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, yep...
[16:16] (ChgZombi) opps
[16:16] (FreeTrad3) I beleive sincerely the problem is fundamental..
[16:16] (ChgZombi) did i say that outloud?
[16:16] (debauched) Did Paine drink abisinthe?
[16:16] (OcDoc) debauched: no, only debauched does that
[16:17] (OcDoc) debauched's middle name is "wormwood"
[16:17] (FreeTrad3) And to address the type of change which would be beneficial as opposed to change for the sake of change.. We need institutional laws against things like ear marks, and we need a means to combat wasteful spending and i have thought of several not solutions but possibly means of helping the problem.
[16:17] (FreeTrad3) THe president should NOT have a line item veto..
[16:17] (Yaakov) And, OcDoc is known as "Old Lace".
[16:17] (debauched) no, I regret to say I have not obtained that alcoholic beverage, for purely experimental purposes, of course. :P
[16:17] (OcDoc) Yaakov: "arsenic" for short
[16:17] (ChgZombi) then...whats the point of having a leader?
[16:18] (lexes) ChgZombi just saw your comment. Doesn't suprise me at all coming from you. lol
[16:18] (FreeTrad3) But he should be able to take anything out of the budget and say I approve this... Hand A and I Dont approve this Hand B.... Resubmit for debate and consideration what is in hand B..
[16:18] (OcDoc) ChaZombi: there is no point in having a leader
[16:18] (ChgZombi) ty...
[16:18] (Yaakov) OcDoc: You *are* a rather poisonous type.
[16:18] (ChgZombi) tyvm lex
[16:18] (ChgZombi) :}
[16:18] (FreeTrad3) Like the sex habits of old men on viagra study for 10 million.
[16:18] (Yaakov) OcDoc: But your doddering makes you seem harmless.
[16:18] (ChgZombi) i'm watching u
[16:18] (flmcon) FreeTrad I think he should, Or have have a spending bill stand alone.
[16:18] (lexes) ChgZombi oh, all the credit is due to you.
[16:18] (FreeTrad3) Then none of it could become law until you came to an agreement or compromise.
[16:18] (debauched) arsenic isa little known recreational intoxicant. I dont know the dosages, or side effects
[16:19] (FreeTrad3) But the pork bill would be out there in the public and the people would see all this waste and then they would judge congressment on how they voted..
[16:19] (yowz||) does viagra give you a 36 hr. woody like cialis does?
[16:19] * n00b387 is now known as OcDoc
[16:19] (Yaakov) debauched: "About a bucketfull" is good for a buzz.
[16:19] (OcDoc) Yaakov: you'll never see it coming!
[16:19] (FreeTrad3) And congressmen with the lights shined on them when they vote for a bridge to nowhere wont do it, or are less likely to do it.
[16:19] (lexes) time for a little holdem poker, getting my account there up pretty big.
[16:19] (davtek) gawd...i hate that zombi guy
[16:19] (EEKoff) yowz, you've had a 36 hour hardon?
[16:19] (Yaakov) OcDoc: I am... not going to... touch that.
[16:19] (FreeTrad3) A lot of the problem with the system is that states send people to washington to bring home the bacon..
[16:19] (davtek) just knowing him makes me want to change my nick
[16:19] (yowz||) eekoff, maybe back in my teen years
[16:19] (debauched) no, Viagra isnt reported to have effectsthat long after administration
[16:20] (lexes) davtek you mean you know him in rl?
[16:20] (FreeTrad3) INstead of competing on the best cost and value if its a neccesry project, joe blow gives it to his state or his friend.
[16:20] (davtek) yesh..unfort.
[16:20] (EEKoff) yowz, how do you know cialis does that?
[16:20] (ChgZombi) grrrr
[16:20] (davtek) opps
[16:20] (yowz||) eekoff, their tv ad says you got 36 hrs
[16:20] (lexes) lol
[16:21] (EEKoff) damn, 36 hours, all the skin would come off
[16:21] (yowz||) says it gets so hard a cat couldn't scratch it
[16:21] (flmcon) EEKoff thats what they say in the comercials
[16:21] (OcDoc) there is no joy in Mudville
[16:21] (davtek) we work together....he's my evil twin 'so to speak
[16:21] (FreeTrad3) Yowx,I have had viagra.. Its not a big deal, (Pad choice of words), it does enhance your sexual performance, it doesnt cause priapism except in a few, YOu have to want sex to utilize it.. if you dont want sex viagra wont help
[16:21] (lexes) davtek as long as he's not your boss. lol
[16:21] (ChgZombi) double grrrrr
[16:21] (FreeTrad3) but if you want sex and hve problems it will help. I tried it just to see what it was like.
[16:22] (ChgZombi) i am his boss
[16:22] (debauched) my 85 year old father has a pen clipped in hisshirt pocket. The clip was marked VIAGRA. I asked him where he got that pen, and he said if he finds a pen that works well, he keeps it. He must have gotten it from his doctor's office
[16:22] (flmcon) 'EEKoff not to mention the tennis elbo it would cause.
[16:22] (lexes) oooops
[16:22] (FreeTrad3) I think I bought 5 tabs for like $50 when I was in the mood to waste money
[16:22] (FreeTrad3) I still have 2 or 3 left
[16:22] (davtek) its ok...
[16:22] (yowz||) debauched, sounds like your dad's still doin the nasty
[16:22] (davtek) i told him he hired me....'gawd...i hate breaking in a new boss'
[16:22] (FreeTrad3) Cialis isnt even FDA approved is it ?
[16:23] (FreeTrad3) Is it real or a hoax like echinacea ?
[16:23] (ChgZombi) grrrrr
[16:23] (lexes) debauched if it works longer than 4 hours, he better call his doctor.
[16:23] (EEKoff) man 36 hours, women must never learn of this
[16:23] (OldSchool) FreeTrad3 is one of the reasons we still have email spam =x
[16:23] (e-Hernick) "die, corporate scum!"
[16:23] (OcDoc) Free: it's FDA approved
[16:23] (FreeTrad3) I think the one government agency I really do approve of is the FDA but they could use reform too. faster time table from lab to market.. though I understand why they want to be cautious.
[16:23] (davtek) hum
[16:24] (FreeTrad3) remembering that one drug that caused birth defects?
[16:24] (flmcon) Oldscholl why do you say that ?
[16:24] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, Cialis ?
[16:24] (OcDoc) OldSchool uses a mirror to check his backside from time to time
[16:24] (FreeTrad3) Its prescription ?
[16:24] (OcDoc) Free: yup
[16:24] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
[16:24] (OldSchool) (FreeTrad3) I think I bought 5 tabs for like $50
[16:24] (debauched) heh, he just moved from a retirement home to my sister's house. At the retirement home there must have been alarge ratio of females to males. I wonder what sort of misunderstandings might have occured :P
[16:24] (OldSchool) from an email spammer? =x
[16:24] (FreeTrad3) Did it go through the testing and its efficacy proven ?
[16:24] (e-Hernick) "Thalidomide was chiefly sold and prescribed during the late 1950s and early 1960s to pregnant women, as an antiemetic to combat morning sickness and as an aid to help them sleep. Before its release, inadequate tests were performed to assess the drug's safety, with catastrophic results for the children of women who had taken thalidomide during their pregnancies."
[16:24] (FreeTrad3) e- yep..
[16:24] (davtek) spent all day in this stupid bank blgd...PNC is mergein wif the well fargo finacial ppl
[16:25] (FreeTrad3) oldschool haha
[16:25] (davtek) secured bldg in dc
[16:25] (debauched) lexes: I doubt he usesthat stuff, but you never know heh
[16:25] (lexes) OcDoc yeah, the FDA needs to get over having to protect drug companies and start sending unused drugs in hospitals and nursing homes to third world countries, heck we're turning into a third world country.
[16:25] (FreeTrad3) THat was when you get them online with an online doctor, you fill out a quick medical history or something.
[16:25] (FreeTrad3) I thought it was legal at least.
[16:25] (e-Hernick) lexes: yes, it is time to start sending nursing homes to third world countries
[16:25] (davtek) i spent more time playing pat and grope wif security then actual working
[16:25] (FreeTrad3) I dont know now.
[16:25] (OcDoc) lexes: say what?
[16:26] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: highly unethical
[16:26] (davtek) had an escort for awhile ..but...he got bored and disappeared
[16:26] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: and illegal in most states
[16:26] (e-Hernick) OcDoc: online doctors from uzbekistan have no ethics thus, this can't be unethical by their standards
[16:26] (lexes) e-Hernick i totally agree, noooooooo that would be mean. I actually have twice now sent a proposal to my local representative, head of aging, a change to keep elderly in their homes. I have heard nothing from him. I'm getting a little disturbed with no response from him.
[16:26] (OcDoc) Hernick: rofl
[16:26] (davtek) local county just instagated the 'imigration status' policy within the police force
[16:27] (debauched) OcDoc: it would be prudent to keep a mirror handy to visualise the anus
[16:27] (davtek) ty prince william county
[16:27] (OcDoc) debauched: if what?
[16:27] (davtek) va
[16:27] (FreeTrad3) I saw on Geraldo last night (Yeah I hate to admit I watched it) and they were bashing drugs and citing people like Britney spears and Heath Ledger.. ANd I wrote an email to him probably he never saw it. And I said you knwo the problem is not doctors pushing the drugs or supplying the drugs many doctors you have to practically beg them to get the drugs, the problem is you have these people abusing these drugs and often times lying to their doctors about oth
[16:27] (davtek) too little too late
[16:27] (lexes) OcDoc any drugs not used in a nursing home by a patient for whatever reason are dumped down the toilet. Whyyyyyy????????? They are bubbled wrapped, not like they are contaminated or anything.
[16:27] (davtek) lexes
[16:28] (davtek) hold that thought
[16:28] (OcDoc) lexes: oh
[16:28] (lexes) davtek yes?
[16:28] (debauched) I need to get a dentists inspection mirror to check out my right/top/rearmost wisdom tooth
[16:28] (FreeTrad3) Then on the other hand I related to him a story about how when my sister who is bi polar as they suspect now brittney might be. it has an onset age which is remarkable consistant which is about Brittneys age sometimes slightly younger. But anyway.. MY sister when not on meds had genuine lapses or breaks with reality..
[16:28] (FreeTrad3) And she had them often
[16:28] (e-Hernick) debauched: why don't you get a dentist to check it?
[16:28] (davtek) dont dump the drugs into the sewer system....findings are coming back that the recomendation of
[16:28] (FreeTrad3) hospitalized a few times a year.
[16:28] (davtek) flushing drugs
[16:28] (davtek) is damaging the enviorment
[16:28] (lexes) davtek tell the FDA
[16:29] (davtek) wait
[16:29] (davtek) you are now NOT advised to do that
[16:29] (FreeTrad3) I finally got over my ego and said Jesus, Please take your medicine religiously and dont go off it, and I encouraged her to stay on her meds and she stopped having psychosis.
[16:29] (lexes) davtek that's what they do with them, they sit there and watch as a nurse dumps them in the toilet.
[16:29] (davtek) why?
[16:29] (FreeTrad3) Now she rarely has a psychotic episode..
[16:29] (davtek) cus locals are catching 'bi-sexual fish' from the potomac now
[16:29] (davtek) omg..this is sooooo funny
[16:29] (FreeTrad3) geraldos position was like A) its all the doctors fault and B) All prescription drugs are bad.
[16:29] (e-Hernick) davtek: don't you mean hermaphrodite?
[16:29] (FreeTrad3) Which is an absurdly naive positon.
[16:30] (OcDoc) two heads
[16:30] (FreeTrad3) Sure hollywood stars are going to get drugs easier..
[16:30] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: what makes you think Geraldo isn't absurdly naive?
[16:30] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: reminds me of Bill Maher's position
[16:30] (FreeTrad3) Avg person its not that easy
[16:30] (davtek) they are saying....it cus of all the drugs being flushed
[16:30] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, I think he is.
[16:30] (IamKing) roflmao @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/03/hoover_incident/
[16:30] (FreeTrad3) Its just that such reporting is so irresponsible.
[16:30] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: just keep repeating the word "entertainment" to yourself
[16:31] (davtek) infact...a startling fact came out....very high levels of cocaine...in the sewer system
[16:31] (EEKoff) bill maher is a leftist mtv punk who reads from scripts, nothing real about him
[16:31] (davtek) hehe
[16:31] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: Geraldo is NOT in the reporting biz
[16:31] (davtek) there was a ratio number published
[16:31] (debauched) e-Hernick well, my Medicaid only covers extractions. I also want a malocclusion of a bicuspid and premolar on the lower left to be extracted
[16:31] (FreeTrad3) the wrong people will stop taking drugs, and the right people wont pay any attention to him but the media has a strong influence on people..
[16:31] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc right..
[16:31] (flmcon) EEKpff Whats wrong with MTV ?
[16:31] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[16:31] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[16:31] (e-Hernick) debauched: and let me guess, you don't wanna pay for it?
[16:31] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, Im sure you could relate the fear of the DEA when prescribing class 2 narcotics.
[16:32] (lexes) This is a drug culture, how many people here are on a regular medication? I am on one.
[16:32] (flmcon) croz Why ?
[16:32] (croz) Geraldo's new book His Panic is sooooo good
[16:32] (davtek) i forget..but it claiming a high percentage of cocain use over a given population served by that sewage processing system
[16:32] (OcDoc) debauched: so have your dentist do whatever he need to do, fake the records, and bill it as an "extraction"
[16:32] (FreeTrad3) Most doctors arent happy about prescribing them though they may need to..
[16:32] (yowz||) davetek, or antibiotics being flushed and not being treated by wastewater plants that get discharged into streams as finished water creating bacteria that is very resistant to antibiotics
[16:32] (debauched) oh, the Medicaid would pay for extractions, but nothing else
[16:32] (EEKoff) flmcon, mtv is just another marketing tool, but they peddle trash, crap they call art
[16:32] (FreeTrad3) They dont want the DEA looking down thier throat any more than we want the IRS messing with us.
[16:32] (OcDoc) Freetrade: I'm not afraid of the DEA ... I just think narcotics are bad treatment
[16:32] (FreeTrad3) Even if legitimate its a lot of time and so on.
[16:32] (davtek) sooo...in yrs to come...you will find this 'flushing of drugs is bad
[16:33] (EEKoff) the fish will feel good
[16:33] (lexes) debauched well, you don't need your wisdom teeth, most folks get them yanked.
[16:33] (davtek) when the topic becomes 'media needy'
[16:33] (OcDoc) debauched: the dentist can write whatever he wants ot on the bill ... they will never know
[16:33] (debauched) I dont think they pay for a cleaning by a hygienist
[16:33] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, Well I dont but we can agree to disagree. But I do agree fears of the DEA are exagerated (not the fears) but the rationality of the fears.. I looked at lot of the typical cases they bust doctors on.
[16:33] (flmcon) EEKoff Is Art not subjestive ?
[16:33] (debauched) OcDoc: true
[16:33] (FreeTrad3) 1000s and 1000s of narcotics like morphine are unaccountable.
[16:33] (EEKoff) flmcon, art is subjective, so is what i said, which was an opinion
[16:34] (debauched) I havent had a teeth cleaning since 1985
[16:34] (_3Josephs) and it shows
[16:34] (lexes) debauched hmmmmmmmm take care of your teeth.
[16:34] * OcDoc backs slowly away from debauched
[16:34] (FreeTrad3) the paper work isnt done.. Usually the doctor has done a lot of bad things.. when they get busted from what I have read of actual case studies.
[16:34] (flmcon) EEKoff ok
[16:34] (davtek) if you dont believe me...google potomac river fishing...
[16:34] (davtek) or wtopnews.com archives
[16:34] (FreeTrad3) a lot of times the doctor is acting like a drug dealer or is hooked himself.
[16:35] (davtek) but..its just a local scandle at this point..
[16:35] (EEKoff) debauched, 1985 was the last you got laid?
[16:35] (davtek) al gore hasnt heard about it yet
[16:35] (debauched) I am a heavy smoker of Top roll your own cigarettes, and drink five 12 ounce cups of black Eight O'Clock Columbian.
[16:35] (FreeTrad3) My god look at the doctors for like Nicole whats her face who for all I know never lost thier license and they had to be abusing their license.
[16:35] (OcDoc) Freetrade: when I refuse to give my patients narcotics they ask me if I don't care about them
[16:35] (davtek) thats prob gonna be his sequal
[16:35] (TWThomas) A doctor is hooked on the dollars that the medical industry pumps into his paycheck
[16:35] (lexes) i think we should have motor vacations from our waterways about twice a year, like at least 2 week vacations. No motors in the waterways, except what is absolutely necessary for defense purposes only.
[16:35] (OcDoc) TWThomas: you don't like to eat)?
[16:36] (debauched) does Medicare A or B pay for physician office visits
[16:36] (debauched) ?
[16:36] (TWThomas) OcDoc : sorry for attacking you damn I feel bad now
[16:36] (e-Hernick) OcDoc: does big pharma give you lots of gifts?
[16:36] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, I think and this is my opinion only you should offer to send them to a pain specialist to make that decision. I respect your right to not believe int hm but I think a patient should have a right to decide under a doctor who specializes in pain management which form of therapy they want.
[16:36] (pilgrim`) Gunman reported at Appalacian State University -what is that all about?
[16:36] (lexes) The ocean and rivers are really amazing things, they are pretty good at cleaning themselves out and cleaning the water themselves.
[16:36] (OcDoc) TWThomas: s'okay
[16:36] (FreeTrad3) including drug therapy
[16:36] (EEKoff) twthomas does like to eat, he just doesn't doctoers to eat
[16:36] (FreeTrad3) or it might be some other therapy.
[16:36] (pilgrim`) anyone near a TV?
[16:36] (pilgrim`) or radio?
[16:36] (flmcon) TWThomas Should the government do away with thir profits ?
[16:36] (FreeTrad3) They usally offer many alternatives.
[16:36] * ChgZombi is now known as ManAtee
[16:36] (FreeTrad3) sometimes alternatives dont work
[16:36] (OcDoc) FreeTrade: the nearest pain specialist to here is three hundred miles away
[16:36] (ManAtee) i hear ya lex
[16:36] (EEKoff) pilgrim, does an ipod count?
[16:36] (ManAtee) omg...the boats wif motors suck
[16:36] (yowz||) lexes, the rivers and streams are not ridding themselves of the antibiotics though
[16:37] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc to you offer them advice that they might seek a second opinion ?
[16:37] (ManAtee) i have scars
[16:37] (lexes) yowz|| yeah, i agree we should not be dumping meds into our waterways.
[16:37] (FreeTrad3) I think a patient should know thier full range of options if they are dealing with say chronic pain.
[16:37] (TWThomas) flmcon : I am not answering that cause I don't want to go there cause I feeel bad for saying something so impolite.
[16:37] (lexes) yowz|| but i think we should stop other pollution for a couple weeks twice a year also.
[16:37] (ManAtee) if your gonna dump your drugs ...dump more prozak and valium
[16:37] (FreeTrad3) What is worse dependence on morphine or waking up screaming in pain 5 times a night and having a life so miserable its not worth living.
[16:37] (ManAtee) please
[16:37] (FreeTrad3) which for many is a reality
[16:38] (EEKoff) lexes, like what pollution?
[16:38] (lexes) EEKoff like whatever motors give off.
[16:38] (debauched) NPR is headlining a shooting where one homicide was committed, followed by the suicide of the criminal
[16:38] (pilgrim`) Appalacian State University Fark has a breakign news thing on it
[16:38] (lexes) EEKoff or whatever else we dump in there.
[16:38] (OcDoc) sorry, phone
[16:38] ([XTV]NYR) i was reading an article which asserted that there is a measurable amt of refined cocaine hydrochloride in some wateways near miami from the narcotrafficers dumping their drugs :)
[16:38] (EEKoff) lexes, which industry would you like to close for 2 weeks out of the year?
[16:38] (yowz||) my daughter is an enviro engineer for C2mhHill....they were working on a project on some town just out of frisco, were finding bacteria strains resistent to chlorine, antibiotics....they blamed it on all the antibiotics being flushed
[16:38] ([XTV]NYR) lets all go for a swim and catch some jejo
[16:38] ([XTV]NYR) :)
[16:39] (lexes) I pick up sea glass for a hobby and i have a sea glass beach that is just amazing and i am astounded what washes up on the shore every day. The ocean is great and throwing crap up on the beach.
[16:39] (ManAtee) yea...but i'm talking...city sewage processing plants
[16:39] (FreeTrad3) I know doctors who wont prescibe psyh meds despite the overwhelming body of evidence today as to their efficacy and as to the root caue of many psychiatric conditions being related to brain chemistry malfunctions basically.
[16:39] (OcDoc) yowz: well, there's nothing says they have to be right
[16:39] (ManAtee) places i CANT swimm to
[16:39] (FreeTrad3) Sometimes their views are almost based on religion
[16:39] (ManAtee) hehe
[16:39] (ProfLupin) pilgrim`: Appalacian Law School is a good example of armed lawful students at school. Stopped the slaughter of 30+ other people with their own guns.
[16:39] (yowz||) ocdoc, nothing says they're wrong either
[16:40] (OcDoc) ProfLupin: excellent
[16:40] ([XTV]NYR) ProfLupin- got a link ?
[16:40] (pilgrim`) yowz I knwo her compan cleasn Hanford
[16:40] (pilgrim`) Prof yeah well there looks to be another "incident" there
[16:40] (lexes) The ocean is like the human body, anything foreign in it, it tries to get rid of it.
[16:40] (OcDoc) yowz: generally speaking we usually require evidence before accepting something like that
[16:40] (OcDoc) yowz: if you don't need evidence, fine
[16:40] (ManAtee) its the soup of life
[16:40] (yowz||) pilgrim ?
[16:40] (FreeTrad3) or the same type of faith over science, But a doctor should not have to prescribe anything Ithink they do have a responsibility to say lookl if you really believe that you need these other modes of treatement I think you should see a different doctor, if not and you want to try to work with me on my methods, I would be happy to try to treat you.
[16:40] ([XTV]NYR) its almost impossible to buy a firearm in the state of ny.. which absolutely sucks for people like me who simply want to have something at home in case some idiot comes through the window at 3am
[16:40] (pilgrim`) Boone – Appalachian State University has put its campus on lockdown after a report of a gunman in the campus area.
[16:40] (pilgrim`) The university in a statement on its Web site said the gunman was seen in the area of Appalachian South Apartments and Hill Street.
[16:40] (pilgrim`) The man was described as being white, 6 feet tall, wearing a black Pink Floyd T-shirt with a rainbow prism partially covered by a dark jacket, either a black or blue ski mask and red and green tennis shoes.
[16:40] (ProfLupin) I do not have the "good links" for it on this computer.. but you can get the basics at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting
[16:41] (pilgrim`) http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/NEWS/80303078
[16:41] (Nockian) [XTV]NYR: you do not have a second amendment right.
[16:41] (ManAtee) i have that tshirt
[16:41] (debauched) you cant have a proper racket like opiod prohibition without marginalising the user and the substance. Making simple possession a felony was an important "lesson learned" from the prohibition of alcohol
[16:41] (ManAtee) and album
[16:41] (ManAtee) and cd
[16:41] (ManAtee) omg...
[16:41] (ProfLupin) btw: most of the main stream media reported the students stopped the shooter.. they ommited that they stopped them with their own guns.
[16:41] ([XTV]NYR) thanks pilgrim`
[16:41] (ManAtee) i killed someone?
[16:41] (lexes) Was there another school shooting?
[16:41] (FreeTrad3) Debuached, Morphine is not nearly as harmful as some other oftenly prescribed drugs.
[16:41] (pilgrim`) I have not killed anyone...today
[16:41] (ProfLupin) pilgrim`: 'seen in the area' it's the new false-bomb-call to get out of exams i think.
[16:41] ([XTV]NYR) morphine is stigmatised
[16:42] (lexes) Antibiotics in the water are probably the worse.
[16:42] (ManAtee) omg...i'm MIA
[16:42] (pilgrim`) Lupine yep
[16:42] (ManAtee) UT3
[16:42] (OcDoc) pilgrim has been killing free for three hundred twenty days
[16:42] ([XTV]NYR) my father almost had a heart attack from teaking teraflu.. over the counter..
[16:42] ([XTV]NYR) that stuff makes your heart RACE.
[16:42] (pilgrim`) OcDoc just killign ime
[16:42] (pilgrim`) time
[16:42] (debauched) pilgrim: that T Shirt was the Dark Side of the Moon cover
[16:42] (RustyFord) WASHINGTON - Congressional opponents of the half-century-old attempt to isolate Cuba have been emboldened by Fidel Castro's resignation. But people who might be planning their vacation getaway to Havana should also be mindful that while President Fidel may be gone, President Bush, a staunch defender of the embargo, still has a year to go.
[16:42] (FreeTrad3) The reason morphine is such a great drug is it does have a good pain killin ability while leaving motor function and intellectual function virtually unchanged after titration and adjustment.
[16:42] (OcDoc) lexes: that completely ignores the fact that most antibiotics in the water are totally natural
[16:42] (pilgrim`) thats... a record?
[16:42] (FreeTrad3) But I dont think any drugs should be illegal..
[16:42] (yowz||) ocdoc, here's one http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/66/9/3722.pdf
[16:42] (RustyFord) The embargo, said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., has been an enabler to decades of oppression. "We should not give Raul Castro the same benefits that we gave his brother, Fidel. We cannot continue to be the Goliath to their David."
[16:43] * pilgrim` is out of the popular culture loop
[16:43] (FreeTrad3) And actually I am anti drugs except when there is a medical reason.
[16:43] ([XTV]NYR) I agree, FreeTrad3. And not because I want torun out and get some morphine...
[16:43] (OcDoc) lexes: Penicillin comes from a mold "Penicillium" otherwise known as bread mold ... it's EVERYWHERE
[16:43] (FreeTrad3) I am anti alcohol and anti tobbaco
[16:43] (FreeTrad3) but I would legalize them all
[16:43] (FreeTrad3) I leave these decisions to other individuals
[16:43] (ProfLupin) pilgrim`: it's from 1972 :P
[16:43] (FreeTrad3) they have that freedom in my view.
[16:43] (ManAtee) cool...wii in class...instant answering...
[16:43] (lexes) OcDoc but probably not as strong as what we manufacture from the mold, right?
[16:43] (RustyFord) Republican Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, a Cuban-born lawmaker and a leader of the fiercely anti-Castro community of south Florida, insisted that power in Cuba has merely shifted to "hard-liners with the most blood on their hands." There may be rumblings in Congress this year to change course, but "there always are and we defeat them," he said.
[16:43] (pilgrim`) Lupine 1772 I might know ;)
[16:43] (ManAtee) anyone see that report?
[16:43] (FreeTrad3) I dont think legalizing drugs would cause a huge increase.
[16:43] ([XTV]NYR) It's more of a social reason. The perpetual "war on drugs" started by DuPont and chroneys is silly and does not work.
[16:43] ([XTV]NYR) waste of money and ruins lives.
[16:43] (FreeTrad3) War on drugs was not started by dupont
[16:43] (RustyFord) i geuss a democrat knows better than an actual CUBAN
[16:44] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 ^5
[16:44] (lexes) I don't know, but i know there are some terrible things going on with the fish. My son is a fisherman.
[16:44] (FreeTrad3) it was started by prejudices of the public and the government.
[16:44] (ProfLupin) pilgrim`: i'ld have thought you were an vinyl record affectionato
[16:44] (OcDoc) lexes: some natural antibiotics are stronger
[16:44] ([XTV]NYR) anslinger
[16:44] (pilgrim`) War on Drugs has had a VERY important effect
[16:44] (debauched) FreeTrade: ok, you are against the free trade of these extracts of agricultural commodities?
[16:44] (FreeTrad3) prejudices not only related to racism but also the drug itself.
[16:44] (FreeTrad3) ignorance about the drugs.
[16:44] (OcDoc) lexes: the reason we can't use strong antibiotics is they harm the host as well as the bacteria
[16:44] ([XTV]NYR) what's that? filling up our prisons with non violent offenders?
[16:44] (lexes) OcDoc well, i don't know, i'm not a biologist or scientist.
[16:44] (ProfLupin) lol.. " extracts of agricultural commodities?"
[16:44] (ManAtee) transforms the classroom into a game show...students click to answer questions just like a game show
[16:44] (OcDoc) lexes: take my word for it then ... I am
[16:45] (pilgrim`) Lupine I am of some select things; such as every knwon recordign of Gustav Holst
[16:45] (ManAtee) and respond to questions anomo. to exclude embarrassment from answering phobia
[16:45] (ProfLupin) OcDoc: that's a real problem in birds.. most of the antibotics totally ruins their natural digestive track, killing them.
[16:45] (ManAtee) omg...
[16:45] * |Forbin is now known as _Forbin
[16:45] (ManAtee) ty tech.
[16:45] * [XTV]NYR puts on some Charles Mingus
[16:45] (FreeTrad3) Instead of education white women with cramps that the doctor was giving them an elixer of cocain and opiates sometimes heroin, they just said take this and use it and you will feel better and they sure did.
[16:45] (FreeTrad3) But then they said Blacks would rape white women on cocaine
[16:45] (FreeTrad3) and that helped make it illegal
[16:45] (FreeTrad3) And that pot was a NEGRO drug and hence it had to be stomped out.
[16:45] (OcDoc) ProfLupin: I don't know much about bird antibiotics
[16:45] (lexes) OcDoc I always thot the big problem with antibiotics is people that do not finish the regime and leave the really super strong bugs to live on.
[16:45] (FreeTrad3) No it wasnt a conspiracy of drug makers.
[16:45] (flmcon) 'pilgrim Yea It has created tremendis political power, and a great big industry in Law inforcement. and Has created an underworld many times more dangerus than Prohabition ever did.
[16:46] (pilgrim`) exactly
[16:46] (debauched) attempting to prohibit agricultural commodities which are so prized by the consumer that they are willing to pay extraordinary premiums results in a racket around which criminals can organize.
[16:46] (ManAtee) no...there were no negros in the 30's film...Reefer Maddness
[16:46] ([XTV]NYR) thank you, flmcon. my point exactly.
[16:46] (FreeTrad3) it was our own prejudices, ignorance, stupidity and failure to demand to understand the drugs we are taking, Any time a doctor prescribes me a new drug before i take it I read the PDR on the drug and get as much info as possible.
[16:46] (OcDoc) manatee: that was after the law, not before
[16:46] ([XTV]NYR) reefer madness. lol
[16:46] (ProfLupin) the historical basis of "gun control" and "drug control" was prodiminately racism
[16:46] (ProfLupin) in fact, the first 'license' required to own a firearm was for negro's in the early 1800s in georgia
[16:47] (FreeTrad3) Its not distrust of doctors, I just want to be as informed as possible about my problem, whether its the levastatin I take at 10 mg a day which is very low but it keeps my cholesterol good.
[16:47] (ProfLupin) Statistics Canada study confirms firearms and violent crime not linked
[16:47] (FreeTrad3) Or whether its any other drug
[16:47] (flmcon) Proflubin Did you tell that to Obama ?
[16:47] (pilgrim`) one unique bit of history Look at all the various cops aroudn in footage of the JFK assasination. knwo what you are seeing? Local cops state cops county cops city cops TX ranger cops oh and a few SS. that is the point: Cops, lots of them all with SEPERATE BOSSES!! today same seen, all fed cops with different alphebet soups running them in DC
[16:47] (ProfLupin) Ottawa – Saskatchewan M.P. Garry Breitkreuz says a new Statistics Canada study proves that hunters and sport shooters have nothing in common with violent criminals. Breitkreuz started his fight against useless gun control laws in 1994 and part of that fight has been to relentlessly expose the truth about the relationship between violent crime and guns
[16:47] (OcDoc) ProfLupin: the New York rule was designed to criminalize a City Council member
[16:47] (yowz||) ocdoc, i just emailed my daughter asking her to email me some of the test results of studies her firm has conducted. i will give you the links as soon as she responds
[16:47] (debauched) This is misconduct by the government officials involved, and it is effectively treason, in that they levy war upon their own citizens
[16:47] ([XTV]NYR) marijuana began to be controlled because of the south western states had a prejudice... never mind that cannabis [canvas] has been a cash crop and was used from sails to paper to clothing
[16:47] (FreeTrad3) I so hate the drug war because it is such a failure and its such a travesty of justice..
[16:47] (ProfLupin) http://jacksnewswatch.com/2008/03/03/statistics-canada-study-confirms-firearms-and-violent-crime-not-linked/
[16:47] (OcDoc) yowz: thanks
[16:48] (lexes) FreeTrad3 you're smart. Problem is now, everyone needs to get smart and read up on anything they think they may have. It's as if the patient needs to take control of their own health care now.
[16:48] (FreeTrad3) Its a license to put anyone away all a cop has to do is throw a bindle of heroin in the back seat of the police car when he takes you in.
[16:48] (pilgrim`) we haev seen a reduction in local control of law enforcement and a great inclrease in fed control
[16:48] ([XTV]NYR) the early senate, thanks to the scare tactics of mr. einslinger did not equate "marihuana" with hemp cannabis.
[16:48] (FreeTrad3) and its his word against yours
[16:48] (OcDoc) XTV: is canvas etymology cannabis? wow!
[16:48] (yowz||) ocdoc, her b.s. is in biology, her master's in enviro engineering.
[16:48] ([XTV]NYR) cannabis is the dutch word for canvas
[16:48] (FreeTrad3) and if he wants to get rid of you for a long time he puts enough on you to claim you are a dealer.
[16:48] (FreeTrad3) And the fact is though I believe most cops are good there are a lot that are not.
[16:48] (flmcon) Lexes Why, The democrats are goiong to take care of us, so we don't have to.
[16:48] (OcDoc) yowz: I BS a lot too
[16:49] (pilgrim`) yowz chlorine resistant? thats a hard one to swollow
[16:49] (flmcon) OcDoc we know.
[16:49] (OcDoc) pilgrim: don't take it too seriously
[16:49] (FreeTrad3) Remember the famous case in LA ? COps were caught planting dope on people and even paralyzed a kid who wasnt even a gang banger or user..
[16:49] (OcDoc) pilgrim: key word - environmentalist
[16:49] (debauched) pilgrim: I found it interesting to note that at Dealy Plaza, all the officers quickly broke out 12 gauge pump shotguns, in anticipation they might be facing an armed criminal
[16:49] (pilgrim`) I know the process by which chlorine kills baccilus
[16:49] (lexes) flmcon lol, yah, they'll take care of us. Just like they watch over our Medicare monies.
[16:49] (FreeTrad3) And not only did the cops get busted everyone they busted from marijuana possession to murder was let go because you couldnt convict on a couple liars testimony
[16:50] ([XTV]NYR) any of you guys like jazz? check out mingus .. awesome stuff :)
[16:50] (yowz||) pilgrim, once she sends me the stuff, somebody like ocdoc with the expertise to read them and interpret them....can make the call. i wouldn't have a clue what they're saying
[16:50] (FreeTrad3) This is why Proflupin and i came down so hard on the cops on the mexican border who were busted..
[16:50] (flmcon) Lexes And our social Security fund ?
[16:50] (FreeTrad3) We cant tolerate cops who fuck with evidence and create a fake crime scene
[16:50] (debauched) the shotguns they carried were a number of different makesand models, so they wwre the officers personal property
[16:50] (lexes) flmcon yah, and the great job FEMA does.
[16:50] (flmcon) Lexes I feal better already
[16:50] (yowz||) fema should be dissolved
[16:51] (OcDoc) yowz: along with several other cabinet level posts
[16:51] * ManAtee is now known as ChgeZombi
[16:51] ([XTV]NYR) "The community of Cookeville, in Putnam County, is facing a $10 million lawsuit amid the release of shocking police dash cam video.
[16:51] ([XTV]NYR) The video, from a Cookeville police cruiser, shows the arrest of a Putnam County man.
[16:51] ([XTV]NYR) A Cookeville officer is seen allegedly placing drugs on the man, Carlos Ferrell, before arresting him.
[16:51] ([XTV]NYR) Ferrell is now suing the city of Cookeville, the police department, Putnam County, and the sheriff's office for $10 million.
[16:51] ([XTV]NYR) During the arrest, Ferrell was also bitten by a police K9.
[16:51] ([XTV]NYR) "
[16:51] (yowz||) new orleans should be told...move 12' above sea level, or you're on your own
[16:51] (FreeTrad3) And no matter how much you hate illegals it doenst justify border agents acting criminally to bust illegals.
[16:52] (FreeTrad3) I will go on and rant a couple more lines.. I think there is nothing worse for out justice system than a crooked cop and they should immediately loose thier ability to be a police officer ever again in the USA in any form
[16:52] (lexes) flmcon well get this, Gov Corozon (sp) of NJ wants to sell their roads to a private company to maintain. lololol and you know the private company will have to charge tolls to do that. So they are going to sell roads the tax payers of NJ already paid for to someone else so the private company can charge them to use them. Makes sense. lol
[16:52] (flmcon) Lexes Everyone complanes about how in-efficiant government is and how shitty they do everything, But only Democrats say, Our government can do Socialised health care right.!
[16:52] (debauched) [XTV]NYR: ok, what was the drug test results of the victim of those criminals who were acting under color of law?
[16:53] (OcDoc) debauched: he was kicked
[16:53] (pilgrim`) New Orleans is what grew on the turd pile from America's flushing down the Mississippi
[16:53] (debauched) yes, what are rapid posts?
[16:53] (yowz||) lexes, what kind of shape are those roads in compared to their design life? it might not be a bad decision
[16:53] (newstep) What u guys think of obama's NAFSA's postion
[16:53] (ChgeZombi) i use to do weekends in NO...while stationed at Keesler
[16:53] (lexes) yowz|| ..... how can a governor sell roads that the people already paid for to someone else? That makes sense to you?
[16:53] (pilgrim`) I thank the GODS government is inefficent
[16:54] (newstep) I ask myself why won't the canandias denie the whole thing.
[16:54] (pilgrim`) our best times have alwasy been when 1 party controls the congress and another the White House
[16:54] (newstep) it benefits both obama and them.
[16:54] * n00b817 is now known as OcDoc
[16:54] (pilgrim`) the more they step on each other's feet the less they step on mine
[16:54] (yowz||) lexes, either to a contractor, or to a government, those roads still cost you money.....who can do it more cost effectively for the taxpayer...answer that, and that's what you do
[16:54] (ChgeZombi) no....not always pil
[16:55] (davtek) stfu zombi
[16:55] (flmcon) Pilgrim The best time when Congress was closed and couldn't spend any of our money.
[16:55] (lexes) yowz|| heck, probably a company from Dubai will buy them and put up tolls.
[16:55] (pilgrim`) that s true
[16:55] (yowz||) so?
[16:55] (lexes) yowz|| once they're sold, what control do you have?
[16:55] (davtek) true..when a body of goverment moves towards the populas conviction...yesh..but these are hard times...
[16:55] (yowz||) retain ownership of the land they're on? lease the land?
[16:56] (davtek) ppl need instant gratification now
[16:56] (davtek) wars are only suppost to last 6 days
[16:56] (flmcon) davtek Yea Me too
[16:56] (lexes) yowz|| i dont think he plans on just selling them the tar.
[16:56] (yowz||) our city went from public snow removal to private 4 yrs. ago....it has sliced that budget 30%
[16:56] (pilgrim`) oil in 1998 on the spot market: $12/ barrel
[16:56] (OcDoc) lexes: why should the government own land or highways?
[16:56] (RustyFord) these are hard times?
[16:56] (RustyFord) heh
[16:56] (lexes) OcDoc the govt doesn't, the people own them, i thought.
[16:57] (pilgrim`) OcDoc becasue they have the biggest gang?
[16:57] (OcDoc) lexes: where's your share?
[16:57] (pilgrim`) exactly
[16:57] (lexes) OcDoc isnt that what we pay our car taxes for?
[16:57] (davtek) now...vast regions have been procalimed...National parks
[16:57] (flmcon) RustyFord What does heh mean ?
[16:57] (OcDoc) lexes: I don't know ... why DO you pay your car taxes?
[16:57] (pilgrim`) "For the good of all, we the Gubmint now own your woman and will use her for the benifit of all"
[16:57] (_3Josephs) what "car" tax?
[16:57] (OcDoc) lexes: in my part of the country we pay car taxes so the government can do "studies"
[16:57] (yowz||) lexes, no.....your car taxes aren't fixing/building roads...the euphorians are stealing that money for public transit and bike paths
[16:58] (lexes) Do you know the cost of the toll to go over the Chespeake bridge? 10 years ago it was $10 a car.
[16:58] (FreeTrad3) Damn
[16:58] (OcDoc) lexes: would you rather go around?
[16:58] (FreeTrad3) 10 years ago ?
[16:58] (yowz||) lexes, that sounds like a bargain when you weight the alternative or not going or driving around
[16:58] (davtek) this was a move to lock up land after the ending of laws like ...squaters rights and such
[16:58] (FreeTrad3) And i thought raising the rates here to $6 over the golden gat was robbery
[16:58] (OcDoc) why did lexes cross the road? because she's a blonde
[16:58] (flmcon) lexes what is it today ?
[16:59] (davtek) stop it
[16:59] (lexes) ok, but howmany cars does it take, before it's paid for? I counted quite a few cars the times i went across.
[16:59] (OcDoc) lexes: I'd be willing to bet their budget is online ... why don't you look?
[16:59] (yowz||) lexes, maintenance, upkeep, replacement
[16:59] (FreeTrad3) There are no tolls out of SF
[16:59] (RustyFord) people are acting like we are in a 1920's type of depression with bread lines miles long and soup kitchens
[16:59] (FreeTrad3) It might be illegal
[17:00] (flmcon) Lexes Fact is Once a politician/Government gets its hands in our pocket( A Tax) It will not let go of it.
[17:00] (FreeTrad3) The logic would be if it were illegal which I dont know is this:
[17:00] (yowz||) freetrade, might not be a toll...but you might have to sit for 2 hrs. while some dude threatens to jump
[17:00] (pilgrim`) why are we spendign so much money for hydro power from dams built int eh30s and amortized long ago? the power is now virtually free yet we pay an astronomical ammount for it
[17:00] (FreeTrad3) SF is a peninsula, and if you have to pay to get to SF By bridge. but you would be a prisoner in SF if you had to pay a toll out and didnt have money
[17:00] (lexes) ooooooooooook $10 a car ... i saw hmmmmmm about 100 cars?? when i crossed, what is it 14 miles of bridge, about a 10 minute cross? 100 cars times what? lets say every 10 minutes? man that's gotta add up.
[17:00] (yowz||) pilgrim, our power is hydro for the most part...we pay 6 cents kwh
[17:01] (flmcon) RistyFord, I might have to think of getting rid of a ford or two and get something smaller.
[17:01] (davtek) sooo....your arguement is 'water
[17:01] (FreeTrad3) You could drive around the penisula which for me would be about a 3 hour drive to get 6 miles away from SF where i live as the bird flies
[17:01] (pilgrim`) yowz Kaiser Aluminium here pays a fracion of a cent/kw becasue they buy bulk
[17:01] (RustyFord) flmcon OH NOES!
[17:01] (FreeTrad3) Yowz, I had one friend who jumped twice and survived the first time..
[17:01] * RustyFord shivers at the horror
[17:02] (_3Josephs) pilgrim`, they also agree to be turned off when power levels go critical
[17:02] (lexes) what bridge? SF bridge?
[17:02] (FreeTrad3) He was featured in the New yorker magazine in 2003 sometime or 2004
[17:02] (lexes) oyyyyyyyyyyyy
[17:02] (debauched) Politicians cant compel civil service employees to give them campaign contributions, so they outsource government functions to contractors who can be compelled to give them money
[17:02] (FreeTrad3) And I saved a guys life who was going to jump once.
[17:02] (yowz||) how many have jumped from that bridge total? any idea?
[17:02] (flmcon) RustyFord I will keep the Ranger untill it dies though.
[17:02] (davtek) not enough?
[17:02] (lexes) I heard that if you don't have money for the toll at the SF bridge you can hand them anything, a pair of tennis shoes, anything.
[17:02] (lexes) Is that true?
[17:02] (FreeTrad3) Actually I just made his decision to kill himself forced him to have to think about it for 72 hours.
[17:02] (FreeTrad3) I got him nailed on a 5150
[17:03] (FreeTrad3) DFanger to yourself or others, california penal code 5150
[17:03] (RustyFord) ohh by the way you know who bought the majority of shares the past couple of days in Oil?
[17:03] (yowz||) they ought to have a pull off area on the bridge, with a tow truck there....and a nice jumping platform, no waiting
[17:03] (flmcon) 50150 ??
[17:03] (davtek) this was a 'howard stern moment
[17:03] (davtek) please
[17:03] (RustyFord) the Clinton pals that run Goldman Sachs
[17:03] (flmcon) oops 5150 ?
[17:03] (FreeTrad3) I got wind of his plan, and I told the cops to watch the bridge he would likely choose to die around water.
[17:03] (lexes) Danger to yourself or others is reason enuf here to lock someone up for 72 hours.
[17:04] (FreeTrad3) And sure enough they tackled him and pepper sprayed him for trying to go over the rails.
[17:04] (FreeTrad3) Yep
[17:04] (yowz||) lexes, what's your stand on abortion?
[17:04] (Mobilekem) Yeesh.
[17:04] (FreeTrad3) And its a damn good law.
[17:04] (Yaakov) I am dangerous, but not to your physical well-being.
[17:04] (FreeTrad3) People are not always in a mental state of mind to make a reasonable decision.
[17:04] (FreeTrad3) if they are intent on suicide they will do it.
[17:04] (Mobilekem) So he just turned around and did it later?
[17:04] (lexes) oh, btw, i worked 13 years in nursing homes . NEVER EVER even joke about killing yourself in a nursing home. They will send you immediately to the psych ward at the local hospital.
[17:04] (FreeTrad3) But its good to make sure they really want it and its not just mental illness or a problem which they can get over.
[17:04] (ChgeZombi) your no hero..you just proved your a sneeky f
[17:04] (lexes) yowz|| Don't.
[17:05] (FreeTrad3) This person is now happier than he has EVER been in his entire life.
[17:05] (yowz||) bean time
[17:05] (FreeTrad3) all of his dreams have come true since then.
[17:05] (pilgrim`) never end up in a nursing home
[17:05] (FreeTrad3) Seriously
[17:05] (ChgeZombi) i use to chase down kids skipping school
[17:05] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 I think they should have let kavorkian stay in business.
[17:05] (FreeTrad3) He always wanted a certain type of beatiful woman and he got more than he deserved.
[17:05] (Mobilekem) Never Ever joke about killing yourself period. It's not funny. :/
[17:05] (FreeTrad3) But so be it..
[17:05] (ChgeZombi) thats more interactive than your 'contribution to humanity
[17:05] (Mobilekem) Ah gee"
[17:05] (Mobilekem) geez, that is.
[17:05] (debauched) Give me morphine, mor give me Kevorkian!
[17:05] (debauched) err or
[17:05] (ChgeZombi) omg...i use to catch my kids friends skipping school
[17:06] (lexes) Mobilekem yeah, but have you ever heard someone say it and you KNOW they are kidding, even if you KNOW they are kidding in a Nursing home in my state, you have to send them to the hospital anyways.
[17:06] (FreeTrad3) I will put the cops on you if you tell me your going to commit suicide.. unless you can convince me you have a logical reason which you have given long and deep consideration to.
[17:06] (Yaakov) Never joke about killing *me*. It makes me sad.
[17:06] (ChgeZombi) i'd grab em up and take em back to school
[17:06] (FreeTrad3) THis is one area I will part with libertarian friends..
[17:06] (pilgrim`) "The Public school way" as they said in the Mauve Decade
[17:07] (FreeTrad3) Plenty of suicidal people are suffering from mental illness and are not of sound mind when thy make the decision
[17:07] (Mobilekem) lexes: Yeah. Makes sense. Same thing with bomb threats and airports, etc...
[17:07] (ChgeZombi) if they wanted to be my kids friend...they had to realize that was a responisibility that works both ways
[17:07] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 who are you ? Or waht are you ? A Doctor?
[17:07] (ChgeZombi) ha...principle called the cops once...
[17:07] (ChgeZombi) cus i took a skipper back to school
[17:08] (FreeTrad3) And a lot of people even older people with cancer feel hopeless and suicidal till they learn more about the disease and go through the natural processes of anger, grief, Wild emotional swings and finally acceptance.
[17:08] (ChgeZombi) stupid liberals
[17:08] (FreeTrad3) Flmcon, What is a doctor ?
[17:08] (pilgrim`) my probelm is; most "Mental Health Professionals" are. what was that techincal term? Oh YEs. BLOOMIN NUTS!
[17:08] (pilgrim`) wigged out crazies
[17:09] (flmcon) FreeTrad Doc. as in Doc, Kevorkian ?
[17:09] (e-Hernick) pilgrim`: either that or you've read too much books from Elrond Hubbard
[17:09] (pilgrim`) knwo what most school shootigns are the result of? Shrinkologists who hand time bomb crazies back out into the world with a pocket full of pills
[17:09] (OcDoc) pilgrim is a blooming filbert
[17:09] (lexes) lol i know a funny story about a friend of mine that went to suprise her sister by meeting her at the airport. Her sister had a stop over in some airport on the east coast, i forget which one. But they would not let her go to the area to meet her sister, who was on her way to China. So the girl buys a one way ticket to China, figuring she can cash it back in after she visits her sister. The detained her for like 6 hours because she bou
[17:09] (FreeTrad3) A I a licensed Neurologist ? No, But i know a lot about mental illness and suicide..
[17:09] (FreeTrad3) And i have worked professionally as a counselor.
[17:09] (FreeTrad3) NO as in the opposite of Doctor death
[17:09] (flmcon) Like in OCDoc
[17:09] (FreeTrad3) Look YOu dotn have to be a doctor with a degree to help people learn to be happier.
[17:09] (FreeTrad3) And there is nothign wrong with trying to help people.
[17:09] (pilgrim`) as to L RON I think he is a poor copy of the real deal: Alister Crowley
[17:10] (JupaSaur) wtf does hillary rotten racist clinton trying to pull now. she is claiming she has a lifetime of experience and the only experience obama has is one speech in 2002. clinton is crazy and full of nonsense
[17:10] (JupaSaur) Hilary Clinton is no more experienced and no more ready to be President of the U.S.A. than any other candidate for that office" http://tinyurl.com/yodwqb
[17:10] (ChgeZombi) i use to work at BWI
[17:10] (FreeTrad3) As far as I am concerned a Freudian psychoanalytic therapist is no better off than one very good friend.
[17:10] (FreeTrad3) and a friend is much cheaper.
[17:10] (ChgeZombi) working on the paging system
[17:10] (OcDoc) one hydrogen atom says to the other, "I have to go back, I forgot my electron!" the other says, "Are you sure?" ... YES i'm POSITIVE
[17:11] (pilgrim`) I have been there several times when others were in need. I try damn hard
[17:11] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 do you have to write a boock to be a doctor or just a pass the test ?
[17:11] (flmcon) book \
[17:11] (ChgeZombi) you think...oh ...paging system...big wow!...but think about that...how big it is and the number of spkrs and horns...and the power amps required
[17:11] (pilgrim`) flmcon its all handled by the clerks these days
[17:11] (FreeTrad3) Pscyho pharmacologists are the primary mental health doctors I trust. Unless somone is actually going through a traumatic period in their life which they need help getting over.. But some people nothing you do ever helps them ever other than chemicals..
[17:11] (lexes) FreeTrad3 you are exactly right. I have a degree in counseling. A counselor is just a paid confidant.
[17:11] (FreeTrad3) Better living by chemicals!
[17:12] (FreeTrad3) Lexes yep....I have been a counselor and a patient.
[17:12] (ChgeZombi) oh...and wait...each term. had its own paging system to announce flight boarding at each gate
[17:12] (lexes) FreeTrad3 although a counselor does have the skills to ask the right questions, usually.
[17:12] (FreeTrad3) 19 years old typical onset of my illness and 25 yeard of paying shrinks.
[17:12] (pilgrim`) my kid was "diagnosed" by teachers who wanted a coffee break as somethign or other. I pointed out that if any drugs were ever foudn in my son's system that litigiuos redress would be the LEAST of their problems. I REFUSED to allow my kid to become one of the drugged generation
[17:12] (OcDoc) lexes: you don't give any advice to your clients?
[17:13] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 Alcohol is a chemical, Better living through a good fryday night bing ??
[17:13] (lexes) OcDoc no, you just ask them open ended questions until they come up with their own answers. That's all.
[17:13] (OcDoc) sugar is a chemical too
[17:13] (ChgeZombi) i love doing the emergency test...grabs the whole facility...'Testing...Testing...Its KariOki Nite'....Testing
[17:13] (FreeTrad3) Lexes a friend of mine who actually kind of counseled me though he didnt know it, he said to me, Free, Remember... If you have the power to save a life you have the power to destroy it.
[17:13] (ChgeZombi) its great to be king of the sound systems
[17:14] (FreeTrad3) His point was that giving advice was a very god like activity
[17:14] (lexes) FreeTrad3 yeah, that's true.
[17:14] (pilgrim`) my kid grew out of the phases he was in, as kids do and did before pills gave teachers more time to contimplate their retirement. he is now a pretty damn fine boy
[17:14] (OcDoc) myoglobin is a chemical ... vinegar is a chemical
[17:14] (FreeTrad3) And that when you give it you should be cautious and really do more to help them make thier own mind up
[17:14] (flmcon) Lexes why can i not stop drinking once I start ?
[17:14] (FreeTrad3) explain options etc.
[17:14] (FreeTrad3) tell them about case histories
[17:14] (pilgrim`) all without pills. fancy that
[17:14] (FreeTrad3) tellt hem about experiences.
[17:14] (FreeTrad3) tell them about different treatments.
[17:14] (lexes) flmcon because you think you are having a good time.
[17:14] (FreeTrad3) but ultimately let them heal themselves by making the decisions.
[17:14] * OcDoc gives Pilgrim a pill
[17:15] (TheTailor) What kinda pill
[17:15] (pilgrim`) OcDoc I only believe my herbologist
[17:15] (flmcon) Lexes I passed that point a long time ago
[17:15] (OcDoc) pilgrim: is his name "herb?"
[17:15] (lexes) flmcon do you want to stop?
[17:15] (FreeTrad3) I got a lot of kids into drug treatment and alcohol treatment when I worked for a school district not by telling them what to do, when was through telling them about the variety of experiences people had there including failures, they wanted to go.
[17:15] (pilgrim`) there is ONE drug (or class of drugs) I find useful today: antibiotics. and that: rarely
[17:15] (flmcon) lexes Not anymore,, I just don't want to start again.
[17:16] (pilgrim`) other then that most are crap
[17:16] (OcDoc) pilgrim: antivirals are good too
[17:16] (FreeTrad3) flmcon, If your an alcoholic thats your business and I dont care.
[17:16] (OcDoc) pilgrim: and antihypertensives
[17:16] (pilgrim`) OcDoc they cost to damn much
[17:16] (FreeTrad3) If you wanted help I would offer it
[17:16] (lexes) flmcon you have me confused. Are you drinking or not?
[17:16] (FreeTrad3) But if you didnt want help I wouldnt even try to convince you to stop
[17:16] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 I am just trying to have some fun.
[17:16] (flmcon) FreeTrad3 sorry
[17:16] (FreeTrad3) I wouldnt interfer
[17:16] (FreeTrad3) Until you violate someone elses rights
[17:16] (flmcon) Lexes no
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) by getting in a car drunk or something, I would never interfer
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) I am for legalization of all drugs
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) all
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) heroin, crank, pcp
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) all
[17:17] (e-Hernick) including teratogens?
[17:17] (pilgrim`) oh the BP things I am suposed to take? lets see..I feel fine, so I take a BO drug, it give you a headache makes you shit blood feel hyper and faint. and you can't get it up. Oh yeah. "helpful"
[17:17] (pilgrim`) BP
[17:17] (e-Hernick) what about RU-486, should that be legal and OTC?
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) People have a right to make decisions for themselves in my opinion.
[17:17] (OcDoc) HernicK; what teratogens have you taken recently?
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) E yes
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) it should be legal
[17:17] (e-Hernick) OcDoc: none, but I'm afraid crazy people will slip it in the water supply
[17:17] (pilgrim`) RU-Pentium
[17:17] (flmcon) \Lexes I have had my limit.
[17:17] (FreeTrad3) I think RU486 is about the best thing that hit the abortion market since adoption.
[17:18] (OcDoc) pilgrim: you're not my fave patient!
[17:18] (FreeTrad3) You can stop a pregancy so early its barely a mass of tissue
[17:18] (lexes) What about this meth? I am not really familiar with it. They make it sound as bad as they used to make other drugs sound. Media lies so damn much, you dont know what is bad and what isnt? But the shows i see on tv, have you seen that new show? Intervention? They make meth look horrid.
[17:18] (pilgrim`) OcDoc I would not be ;)
[17:18] (FreeTrad3) unlike 12 weeks later or 20 weeks.. or longer.
[17:18] (OcDoc) pilgrim: darn
[17:18] (OcDoc) lexes: it's bad
[17:18] (FreeTrad3) I believe RU 486 should be absolutely legal
[17:18] (FreeTrad3) for any age girl over 14..
[17:18] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: but prescription-only, shouldn't it be?
[17:18] (OcDoc) lexes: almost everyone who takes it goes into a down spiral
[17:18] (pilgrim`) OcDoc I would see a dock to fix an amputation. Other then that; I try to not be a over user
[17:18] (lexes) OcDoc now how do you know?
[17:19] (e-Hernick) I mean, if you say "heroin should be legal" do you mean under the supervision of a doctor?
[17:19] (FreeTrad3) under 14 she needs to be reported and probably given the drug too.
[17:19] (lexes) OcDoc do you think that is what Brittany Spears is on?
[17:19] (OcDoc) lexes: no
[17:19] (TheTailor) FT, is that the one where they put those things in your arem? Or is that the so called "morning after" pill?
[17:19] (TheTailor) arm not arem
[17:19] (FreeTrad3) No I would establish in my little scheme of legaliztion that all junkies would by their heroin at a phamacy
[17:19] (lexes) OcDoc she actually has a mental illness then, eh?
[17:19] (e-Hernick) TheTailor: RU-486 is the "abortion pill" not the "morning after pill"
[17:19] (FreeTrad3) A special pharmacy for non prescription drugs perhaps..
[17:19] (OcDoc) lexes: I think she's bipolar
[17:19] (RustyFord) whatever Britney Spears is on I wished Hillary would take some
[17:19] (TheTailor) e-Hernick, how so?
[17:19] (FreeTrad3) Needles cost money if you bring a dirty one in you get a free one.
[17:20] (TheTailor) Abortion pill? Who calls it that?
[17:20] (e-Hernick) TheTailor: in that RU-486 induces abortion, and that the "morning after pill" prevents the fertilized egg from settling, or something like that
[17:20] (FreeTrad3) And the only requirement for any drug user is to learn from the phamacist the side effects, interactions with any other drugs they may be taking, what is a likely lethal dose, and the fact that potentially for you a lethal dose could be much lower so do start out slow if your new to this..
[17:21] (OcDoc) Hernick: emplanting
[17:21] (e-Hernick) OcDoc: do you think that "abortion pill" is a fair name for RU-486? I remember hearing about it called by that name a few times..
[17:21] (pilgrim`) Acme Brand Abortion pills! You Rape'em, we'll scrape'em! No Fetus'll Beatus!"
[17:21] (FreeTrad3) In other words selling drugs with the full disclosure to the consumer of what he is buying.
[17:21] (OcDoc) Hernick: probably
[17:21] (lexes) pilgrim` ooooooooooo that is awful.
[17:21] (FreeTrad3) With information on treatment and maybe a leaflet on how drug use could be child abuse if you have children.
[17:21] (RustyFord) hahahaaa pil
[17:21] (pilgrim`) see thats the toruble here. not good enough marketing
[17:22] (FreeTrad3) SO if you want to shoot heroin get a babysitter and take the weekend off to a motel
[17:22] (e-Hernick) TheTailor: "Mifeprex (mifepristone) medical abortion pill (ru486) Official site of Danco Laboratories. Prescription information, patient guide, news, and history www.earlyoptionpill.com/"
[17:22] (e-Hernick) TheTailor: so the mfg calls it abortion pill
[17:24] (RustyFord) man tilapia rocks
[17:25] (FreeTrad3) You know the thing is the Birth control pill CAN BE an abortificant.
[17:25] (FreeTrad3) So whats the difference ? Usually it isnt but it can be.. at least in the old days I dont know about today
[17:25] (FreeTrad3) Maybe they have gottent it down to more sophisticated science.
[17:26] (FreeTrad3) OcDoc, Is the pill sometimes an abortificant ?
[17:26] (FreeTrad3) hehehehe
[17:27] (FreeTrad3) Guess that was not to be answered ;)
[17:28] (lexes) i took the birth control pill for about 7 years ... i wouldnt take it again if i had to do over again.
[17:28] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: Topic worthy :-) http://www.creators.com/opinion/jacob-sullum/isn-t-self-defense-common-sense.html Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/yqoy6d (URL by ProfLupin)
[17:28] (nharris) accidents lead to children
[17:28] (lexes) maybe they are better now, but i doubt it
[17:29] (lexes) yeah, and i have two wonderful accidents. :c)
[17:30] (lexes) i never intended to have any children.
[17:30] (lexes) but really glad i did now.
[17:30] (FreeTrad3) See this page in: Bulgarian (?????????)
[17:30] (FreeTrad3) A dirty, little secret in the pharmaceutical world is that the Pill if taken in a certain way can actually work AFTER conception by preventing the embryo from implanting on the uterine wall. In other words, the pill can cause the baby to die. This is simply abortion by another name.
[17:30] (nharris) my kingdom for a parent who doesn't declare their kids to be wonderful :)
[17:30] (pilgrim`) I never undertood how, given my lack of care, I did not end up a parent much earlier
[17:30] (FreeTrad3) The "Morning After" Pill is nothing more than the regular birth control pill taken in massive dosage to insure that the embryo will not implant.
[17:31] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: That's what "emergency contraception" is. Essentially, a birth control OD.
[17:31] (FreeTrad3) Although implantation prevention is apparently not the mechanism of action for the vast majority of women, especially for those who take the pill as prescribed, women who take birth control pills do risk the chance of aborting (killing) their unborn child
[17:31] (FreeTrad3) Yaak yep
[17:31] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: That is certainly not a secret.
[17:31] (lexes) nharris oh sheesh, my kids aren't always wonderful. But it is wonderful having them anyways.
[17:31] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: It is very widely known and reported.
[17:31] (`sk) preventing births and hastening post-natal deaths until the world population reaches .01% its present size is the smartest policy anyone could undertake.
[17:32] (RustyFord) i hate when supper is so good and I am soo full but its so good that I want to keep eatting hehe
[17:32] (Yaakov) Each of our six kids is perfect in every way!
[17:32] (nharris) haha! i'm that way with mongolian BBQ
[17:32] (FreeTrad3) Ive known this for years.. I have no problems with the pill, I would much rather see a 2-50 cell abortion than 12 week abortion..
[17:32] (robbins61) mmm...mongolian bbq
[17:32] (FreeTrad3) Yaak, I bet most women dont know it.
[17:32] (FreeTrad3) If you were to ask them.
[17:32] (nharris) brb.. gotta fix a camera
[17:32] (FreeTrad3) It is not a secret with those of us who have studied it. I gave a report on it in highschool.
[17:33] (FreeTrad3) But to common people they are often surprises.
[17:33] (FreeTrad3) surprised
[17:33] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: I don't know, but I have heard it reported many times in mainstream sources. Then again, most people don't know most things that are widely reported.
[17:33] (`sk) 12-week abortion opens broader culinary avenues than just a cultured smear of protoplasmic scum.
[17:33] (FreeTrad3) and my school report in high school was well over 30 years ago.
[17:33] (FreeTrad3) hehehe
[17:34] (FreeTrad3) Yaak, if you look at sites on the internet which are pro birth control pill,they often neglect to tell people.
[17:34] (FreeTrad3) I have no issue with birth control pills but as with almost all things i beleive in full diclosure..
[17:34] (Yaakov) I haven't really looked.
[17:34] (FreeTrad3) People should know how a chemical effects them before they take it.
[17:34] (ProfLupin) iirc, you can't just take multiple regular-pills.. while the active ingrediant is the same.. the dissolve/asorbsion rates are different.
[17:34] (FreeTrad3) IMO...
[17:34] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: /msg
[17:35] (lexes) If a woman is regular, the rhythm method works well.
[17:35] (FreeTrad3) Antoher thing is a lot of women dont know they have spontaneous abortions.
[17:35] (pilgrim`) I found somethign that works far better for birth control
[17:35] (lexes) abstinence?
[17:35] (FreeTrad3) very common in most couples who have tried to concieve especially young couples, and older couples.
[17:35] (`sk) neutering.
[17:35] (pilgrim`) simply find an interest that takes all your time and money and is not women
[17:35] (Yaakov) There is something called "Natural Family Planning", which is based on cycles but is NOT "The Rythm Method". It is more effective than chemical birth control when properly practiced.
[17:35] (FreeTrad3) YOu miss your period you wonder whats going on then suddenly it comes back.,.
[17:36] (ProfLupin) pilgrim`: i have a great friend.. with three hell spawns.. when ever we get the itch.. we visit them.
[17:36] (pilgrim`) mine is incunabula
[17:36] (pilgrim`) Lupine I have one. that was enough
[17:36] (FreeTrad3) You think oh hmm, I had an irregular cycle.. Well maybe.. Or maybe you were pregnant and your body rejected it as they often do.
[17:36] (lexes) Yaakov well what is cycles? if it's not rhythm?
[17:36] (Yaakov) pilgrim` like chicks from before 1500.
[17:36] (pilgrim`) Yaakov yeah I throw the book at them
[17:36] (Yaakov) lexes: It uses things like basal temperature and mucus consistency.
[17:37] (Yaakov) lexes: It is very carefully designed, and uses empirical measurement, not just time-of-month.
[17:37] (lexes) Yaakov ahhh ok, i know what you are talking about, but it usually coincides with the rhythm method, but the rhythm method really only works if you are really regular.
[17:37] (pilgrim`) this is not quite incunabula but it is of interest http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350032127575
[17:37] (FreeTrad3) Yaak, well temperature taking and testing for a certain hormone can be effective, and even the rythem method can be very effective with women whose periods you can set your clock by...
[17:37] (FreeTrad3) If used conservatively on the safe side.
[17:38] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: The Rythm Method must eventually fail if you have sex regularly because cycles *aren't* perfect.
[17:38] (lexes) enh, i dunno, i was pretty regular.
[17:38] (FreeTrad3) Yaak, some womens cycles are almost perfect.
[17:39] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: Basal temperature, plus mucus, PLUS monthly cycle is acutally more effective than *condoms*.
[17:39] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: "almost".
[17:39] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: It doesn't take more than getting a cold...
[17:39] (pilgrim`) Vatican Roulette
[17:39] (FreeTrad3) It worked for me for years.. Just had to be conservative. and watch that period of time which is most fertile.
[17:39] (lexes) lol pilgrim`, you're just full of em tonite.
[17:39] (Yaakov) People use NFP in reverse, too.
[17:40] (_3Josephs) NFP provides fertility information, it can be used to lessen or improve the chances of conception
[17:40] (pilgrim`) lexes I can afford to be.
[17:40] (pilgrim`) one thign about getting older; the urge will never leave till yer dead, but at least it gets to where it is not as all consuming as it is in your prime
[17:41] (FreeTrad3) See if you figure the time for pregancy and say you lay out a 5 day period..
[17:41] (FreeTrad3) but you increase it a few days you have increased your odds hugely
[17:41] (lexes) did any of you see that program on the children of women that got their embryos (sp) from a sperm bank and come to find out later that a lot of women in the same area chose the same guy. One woman put a website with his number and he at that count had like 18 kids by different women. Sheesh, they could have been dating their sisters and brothers as they all lived fairly close by.
[17:41] (FreeTrad3) But the rythem method should not be used by amateurs..
[17:42] (pilgrim`) things is; know the best place to store sperm to keep it viable? yep. wrap a woman around it. It will keep for 4 days in that container
[17:42] (FreeTrad3) Lexes damn..
[17:42] (FreeTrad3) One reason I would never donate sperm... I would feel responsible for my biological child even if it Never met it, I would feel guilty
[17:43] (FreeTrad3) Unless i knew it was going to a very good family.
[17:43] (pilgrim`) I knwo of a sperm bank where the guy who ran it had only one "doner" -himself
[17:43] (Yaakov) Embryos?! You mean "sperm"?
[17:43] (FreeTrad3) omeone would have to ask me I would never volunteer it.
[17:43] (lexes) Yaakov yeah, ok sperm.
[17:44] (Yaakov) Whew... I was worrie that my ideas about biology were WAY OFF.
[17:44] (pilgrim`) when Sammy Sprem meets Olivia Ovum Eugene Embryo sometimes pays a call
[17:44] (lexes) They somehow got ahold of the father, he met most of the kids. He was some doctor. Really strange.
[17:44] (FreeTrad3) I dont understand or maybe i am too old fashioned in this respect, but giving your biological seed away to any stranger ?
[17:44] (FreeTrad3) NO way, MEVER.
[17:45] (pilgrim`) Zygote! Ghesuntite!
[17:45] (FreeTrad3) dang
[17:45] * lexes slaps pilgrim` around a bit with a large trout
[17:45] (FreeTrad3) missed the news darnit
[17:45] (FreeTrad3) and my wife is babysitting.
[17:46] (thx1138-) FreeTrad3 i don't mind, as long as its going in her stomach :P
[17:46] (FreeTrad3) Oh why cant the beasts gop on the backroo, so I can have my news ;)
[17:46] (FreeTrad3) heh
[17:46] (lexes) I'm reading a book now about a woman that had her 3 yr old boy stolen from her. I think it's a true story, it doesn't say in the book if it's true or not, but i think it is. Really sad.
[17:46] (FreeTrad3) IM sleepy but i did 3 crossword puzzles last niht
[17:47] (FreeTrad3) finished them all.
[17:47] (FreeTrad3) I got hooked.. I was going to bed then I thought hmm one more real quick
[17:47] (FreeTrad3) Btu then knew today would be kind of a day off.
[17:48] (lexes) i love cross words, you can get the NYTimes on on google sign in page ... i do it at work sometimes.
[17:48] (FreeTrad3) tommororw I need to do paper work, today I just did a field trip
[17:48] (FreeTrad3) I have a book of crossword puzzles.
[17:48] (lexes) i like the newspaper ones.
[17:48] (pilgrim`) lexes one thing about my ex I woudl pity any one who attempted to harm her young
[17:48] (RustyFord) WASHINGTON (AFP) - More than 60 years after it was pushed to the edge of extinction, one of North America's rarest birds, the whooping crane, faces new danger from environmentally-friendly wind farms, conservationists warned.
[17:48] (FreeTrad3) I do very well except on tv type questions, I usually have to answer them by answering other word around it so a process of elimination
[17:49] (lexes) pilgrim` i think that would go for any woman's young.
[17:49] (pilgrim`) she is also very handy with gun sword knife and bludgon
[17:49] (FreeTrad3) then if I a left with like Bob_y I can guess Bobby
[17:49] (TheTailor) RustyFord, which conservationists?
[17:49] (lexes) i feel sorry for people going through a divorce with kids.
[17:49] (FreeTrad3) I watched the movie "The human stain" last night, I highly reccomend it..
[17:49] (FreeTrad3) if you havent seen it...
[17:50] (pilgrim`) I watched...a book. last night.
[17:50] (lexes) i'd be one of those women kidnapping my kids if a judge ever gave them to my ex.
[17:50] (FreeTrad3) Very good movie as well as a good social commentary
[17:50] (redfish) pilgrim watches books
[17:50] (pilgrim`) the TV was boring
[17:50] (FreeTrad3) historical one rather (Social commentary)
[17:50] (RustyFord) TheTailor the Audobon society
[17:50] (FreeTrad3) Buty if it wasnt it would still be enjoyable.
[17:50] (spman-) Is anyone here good with Stats?
[17:50] (spman-) Is Standard Deviation and Standard Variation the same thing?
[17:51] (lexes) spman- google it
[17:51] (lexes) wiki
[17:51] (FreeTrad3) I jsut read 10 books in a row and am taking a break. I cant stand tv except news And one comedy show becuase i have never seen anything like it.
[17:51] (FreeTrad3) now i am getting sleepy
[17:52] (_rnsm) which comedy show is that
[17:52] (FreeTrad3) maybe Ill take a short nap by then the kid will be gone i can have dinner and stay up late again ;)
[17:52] (FreeTrad3) Well I am sort of on a vacation.. semi.
[17:52] (Yaakov) spman-: Do you mean "variance"?
[17:53] (lexes) ok, have to get my holdem poker fix taken care of....afk for a bit
[17:53] (FreeTrad3) Standard Deviation is more specific
[17:53] (FreeTrad3) More scientific..
[17:53] (Yaakov) Standard Deviation is a function of Variance.
[17:53] (Yaakov) It is the square root of Variance.
[17:54] (^ishi^) hello
[17:54] (spman-) Because Im working on some Stats now, and Im givin the mean, the sample, and the variance
[17:54] (spman-) but in order to calculate anything, I need the sample deviation
[17:54] (spman-) which I am not given
[17:55] (Yaakov) The deviation is the difference from the mean.
[17:55] (ProfLupin) spman-: the SD is is the square root of the variance
[17:55] (spman-) oh
[17:55] (lexes) ProfLupin not the other way around?
[17:56] (spman-) See, what I hate about stats is all the greek letters that make it confusing, even though it's really not as confusing at it seems
[17:56] (FreeTrad3) Compute the mean for the data set.
[17:56] (FreeTrad3) Compute the deviation by subtracting the mean from each value.
[17:56] (FreeTrad3) Square each individual deviation.
[17:56] (FreeTrad3) Add up the squared deviations.
[17:56] (FreeTrad3) Divide by one less than the sample size.
[17:56] (FreeTrad3) Take the square root.
[17:57] (Yaakov) The sum of the squared deviations is the variance.
[17:58] (spman-) So if I have the variance, I just take the square root to get the deviation?
[17:59] (n00b348) anyone there
[18:00] (FreeTrad3) Subtract the mean and square the results of all individually then add them up and do what yaak said.
[18:00] (FreeTrad3) Here I know nothing about math
[18:00] (FreeTrad3) But I do have a copy of the formula in front of me.
[18:00] (FreeTrad3) I could do it.. but it would have to be from following instructions.
[18:00] (FreeTrad3) not from my head
[18:00] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: he alreayd has the variance, so he merely has to take the square root of it
[18:01] (FreeTrad3) Oh if he has it.
[18:01] (e-Hernick) Good news for Matt Drudge - by breaking the "Harry in Afghanistan" military secret as a Drudge exclusive, he has driven up traffic to his site, and thus increased the advertising cash flow. How much did Matt Drudge personally enrich himself by breaking the operational security of coalition militaries?
[18:01] (FreeTrad3) Anyway its a joke me talking about math.. I have to look it up.
[18:01] (FreeTrad3) Did Drudge break that story ?
[18:02] (spman-) Ok, thanks
[18:02] (FreeTrad3) Thats unseamly and disgusting..
[18:02] (e-Hernick) Drudge claims the story was a Drudge exclusive.
[18:02] (FreeTrad3) Is that true ?
[18:02] (FreeTrad3) Well then fuck him
[18:02] (FreeTrad3) fucking traitor
[18:02] (Mau1) http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2008/03/worshippers_of.php
[18:02] (FreeTrad3) Guy has no morals at all.
[18:02] (e-Hernick) Drudge already raises $800000 a year in advertising revenue
[18:02] (e-Hernick) And his personal income, over $1 million
[18:02] (e-Hernick) He has the morals necessary to enrich himself by hurting other people
[18:02] (FreeTrad3) Look hes putting at risk human lives by reporting that informaiton
[18:02] (FreeTrad3) we dont have a right to know.
[18:03] (FreeTrad3) Anyway North Hollywood as anyone in LA knows is not a bastion of morality in conventional terms.
[18:03] (ProfLupin) I agree. If he reported this first [ I do not know ].. it was morally and ethically wrong for him to report on it.
[18:03] (FreeTrad3) For that matter neither is Hollywood proper
[18:04] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: did you see Boxer wants to exempt hollywood from the new-machinegun ban?
[18:04] (FreeTrad3) He gets tips from news outlets who dont want to take responsibility for a story
[18:04] (FreeTrad3) say a reporter has a story
[18:04] (RustyFord) The euro is overvalued and the European Central Bank needs a political counterweight to compensate for the fact that is it "ultra-powerful", the head of International Monetary Fund was quoted as saying on Monday.
[18:04] (FreeTrad3) his editor kills it becuase he likes obama.
[18:04] (FreeTrad3) the guy hands it off to Drudge
[18:04] (TheTailor) ProfLupin, got a URL on that?
[18:04] (FreeTrad3) But with that you get some valuable stories and a lot of garbage
[18:05] (FreeTrad3) And you have to be careful in sorting the two out.
[18:05] (ProfLupin) TheTailor: not on this one, no.. it was on the highroad forumn
[18:05] (FreeTrad3) But this was an act which I think in wartime, the truth shouldnt be supressed but it can be delayed for the safety of human life.
[18:05] (FreeTrad3) When hes done then you can write all about it.
[18:05] (FreeTrad3) this is a case of greed not being good..
[18:06] (RustyFord) what are you guys talking about?
[18:06] (FreeTrad3) Drudge leaking the story that Harry was in Iraq..
[18:06] (FreeTrad3) Afghanistan
[18:06] (e-Hernick) RustyFord: we're talking about how much Matt Drudge personally enriched himself by breaking the operational security of coalition militaries as a Drudge Exclusive
[18:06] (e-Hernick) my feeling is that Matt Drudge will leak any military secret if he thinks it'll make him richer
[18:07] (pilgrim`) if Microsoft designed cars; the next year's model would have the paring brake in the back seat with not one word of information about this change in the owner's manual but their staff would be sure to sneer at you for asking a stupid question
[18:07] (RustyFord) ohh yeh that was messed up
[18:07] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: that was the agreement the press had with the british military: they could do interviews, shoot video.. but keep it under wraps until he returns.
[18:07] (RustyFord) thats ok watch this one
[18:07] (FreeTrad3) But the nice thing about it was Harry has spoken out against the british for not being suppotive of the war and i admire him..
[18:07] (RustyFord) "Good Morning America" co-host Chris Cuomo joked on Monday's show that Britain's Prince Harry "has been over in Afghanistan fighting because he's expendable."
[18:08] (RustyFord) "It's true. The reason that Harry is allowed to be in Afghanistan is because he's not the heir to the throne. William's not allowed to be there."
[18:08] (FreeTrad3) Prof, probably some anti war reporter slipped it to Drudge
[18:08] (FreeTrad3) Rusty yes he is
[18:08] (FreeTrad3) and they are both heirs to the trhone.
[18:08] (FreeTrad3) throne
[18:08] (RustyFord) heh, these people are ferkin' nuts
[18:08] (FreeTrad3) harry is 3rd in line
[18:08] (FreeTrad3) And his brother who is 2nd in line is heading out with the royal navy
[18:09] (RustyFord) and William just went to war, he is serving on a Royal Navy frigate
[18:09] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: I would support an investigation into this.. but the media has no problem with this.. maybe Harry should have used the codename "Valier Plame"
[18:09] (FreeTrad3) and though it may be somewhat safer its not safe..
[18:09] (FreeTrad3) there is no gurantee its war.
[18:09] (FreeTrad3) heh
[18:09] (lexes) Harry has a different daddy
[18:09] (e-Hernick) it's not like Harry was serving in the Wales National Air Guard
[18:09] (e-Hernick) defending the homeland against iraqi warplanes
[18:09] (FreeTrad3) Hes brougth back my respect for the monarchy... Which I had totally lost with the Queens son.
[18:10] (FreeTrad3) Prince Charles is a huge dissapointment.
[18:10] (FreeTrad3) as a human
[18:10] (_3Josephs) you don't like "big ears"?
[18:10] (FreeTrad3) Gosh I am sleepy
[18:10] (RustyFord) Prince Henry of Wales (Henry Charles Albert David; born 15 September 1984), commonly known as Prince Harry, is the younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales, and his first wife, the late Diana, Princess of Wales.
[18:10] (^ishi^) why is prince charles a huge disapppointment ?
[18:11] (lexes) Charles is not his father.
[18:11] (lexes) but the Queen will not allow a dna test
[18:11] (FreeTrad3) NO I dont like his nonscientific views of global warming any more than i like Gores.. Though he isnt anything near as bad as Gore.. Gosh and this country almost elected him ?
[18:11] (FreeTrad3) Makes me scared
[18:11] (^ishi^) who is the father then ?
[18:11] (TWThomas) lexes : shut the fuck up Charles is the father
[18:11] (FreeTrad3) But I think a lot of people remember Gore when he was more conservative
[18:11] (FreeTrad3) He once was pretty conservative.
[18:11] (_3Josephs) ^ishi^, Dick Cheney ;-)
[18:11] (e-Hernick) lexes: what is this, your personal conspiracy theory?
[18:11] (lexes) a man diana was seeing obviously and if you see the two they look exactly alike
[18:11] (FreeTrad3) For a democrat.
[18:11] (^ishi^) you should write in the national enquirer or equivalent :)
[18:12] (FreeTrad3) Oh you cant tell by looks..
[18:12] (lexes) i am serious
[18:12] (e-Hernick) lexes: I suppose you read a lot of third-rate british tabloid rags?
[18:12] (TWThomas) Gore and Obama are like two peas in a pod
[18:12] (RustyFord) until proven otherwise Charles is his father
[18:12] (FreeTrad3) Gore is frankly worse I think.
[18:12] (e-Hernick) Obama/Gore '08!
[18:12] (FreeTrad3) If it were gore vs Obama I woudl vote Obama.
[18:12] (FreeTrad3) Btu I dont want either.
[18:12] (lexes) i saw it on tv, showed the man and Harry and seriously, they look like twins
[18:13] (FreeTrad3) Lexes but that could be conincidence easily.
[18:13] (RustyFord) if Harry isn't Charles father than Web Hubbel is Chelsea Clintons father
[18:13] (^ishi^) so free... why is prince charles a huge disappointment ???
[18:13] (RustyFord) er...
[18:13] (RustyFord) if Harry isn't Charles son than Web Hubbel is Chelsea Clintons father
[18:13] (FreeTrad3) I dont look like my dad and nither does my younger sister and i am positive my mom was not fooling around, well we have some features but for example we have blond hair and he has black.
[18:13] (lexes) FreeTrad3 if the show had any credence at all, and i think it did, i'm telling you, Charles is not the father
[18:13] (e-Hernick) lexes: even if what you say are true, then it is good that some new blood is getting in the royal family
[18:14] (ChgeZombi) has anyone mentioned the 'redhead stepchild' aspect of the royals
[18:14] (FreeTrad3) Well without proof as a skeptic I can not offer an opinion.
[18:14] (FreeTrad3) its to me a meaningless supposition without dna testing
[18:14] (ChgeZombi) ?
[18:14] (e-Hernick) lexes: do you also believe those shows that say america never landed on the moon
[18:14] (FreeTrad3) redhead ?
[18:14] (FreeTrad3) Whats that have to do with anything ?
[18:15] (FreeTrad3) red hair is a regressive gene
[18:15] (pilgrim`) recessive
[18:15] (FreeTrad3) it occurs in 1-2% of humans.
[18:15] (FreeTrad3) Yewah recessive
[18:15] (pilgrim`) I had a mix of red and blonde in my youth
[18:15] (FreeTrad3) regression is goign backwards.
[18:16] (Exxtasie) hi and thk's
[18:16] (FreeTrad3) like i Have gone through psychological regression to my earlier lives
[18:16] (FreeTrad3) ;)
[18:16] (FreeTrad3) J/K
[18:16] (ProfLupin) Vince Foster was "Long Dong Silver"..
[18:16] (pilgrim`) with bright red pubic hair and beard
[18:16] (FreeTrad3) Red hair appears in people with two copies of a recessive gene on chromosome 16 which causes a change in the MC1R protein. It is associated with fair skin color, freckles, and sensitivity to ultraviolet light, as the mutated MC1R protein is found in the skin and eyes instead of the darker melanin.
[18:16] * Exxtasie is now known as Exx|AfK
[18:16] (pilgrim`) but that seems to haev "sun bleached" over the years ;)
[18:16] (FreeTrad3) I have a Red blond brunette and gray beard
[18:17] (FreeTrad3) Looks very viking I am told.
[18:17] (lexes) here ya go pics even http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2273498.stm
[18:17] (pilgrim`) I shave becasue I don't want to see how gray it really is
[18:17] (ProfLupin) pilgrim`: I piss off people like you :-)
[18:17] (FreeTrad3) It occurs more frequently (between 2% and 6% of the population) in northern and western Europeans, and their descendants, and at lower frequencies throughout other parts of Europe, Asia and Africa.
[18:17] (FreeTrad3) Well ?
[18:17] (ProfLupin) I still have a full head of blonde hair.. and clip it all off weekly.
[18:17] (ChgeZombi) i heard when vince 'long dong' foster was found dead...naked..his body was streached out across 6 lanes of traffic
[18:17] (pilgrim`) Lupien s'ok I'll just out live you ;)
[18:17] (FreeTrad3) hes in the right place for it.
[18:17] (ChgeZombi) ouchie
[18:17] (RustyFord) http://tinyurl.com/yqpbeq
[18:17] (RustyFord) thats red hair???
[18:18] (FreeTrad3) I see a lot of differences
[18:18] (FreeTrad3) including the texture of their hair.
[18:18] (pilgrim`) ears
[18:18] (FreeTrad3) It could be a gel
[18:18] (ProfLupin) here's rusty's fantasy http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/carrot_top1.jpg
[18:18] (RustyFord) http://tinyurl.com/yraj86
[18:18] (FreeTrad3) Yweah ears are different
[18:18] (RustyFord) his hair looks just like his mothers in that picture
[18:19] (Nowherema) is that really carrot top ?
[18:19] (Nowherema) wasnt that guy a runt
[18:19] (FreeTrad3) eyes thought its hard to se are different shape
[18:19] (pilgrim`) ears are wrong, nose. Harry has the Hanovarian aqualinity
[18:19] (ProfLupin) Nowherema: yep.. even bulked up.. he still gets picked on
[18:19] (FreeTrad3) Besides.. If Harry wanted a DNA test, the Queen couldnt stop him
[18:19] (pilgrim`) wrong chin
[18:19] (ChgeZombi) hahaha army of two...
[18:19] (ChgeZombi) ONE IS THE LONEIEST NUMBER THAT U EVER CHOOSEE
[18:19] (FreeTrad3) Prince Harry was "already walking" by the time his relationship with Diana began, he told The Sunday Mirror.
[18:19] (FreeTrad3) Mr Hewitt was Diana Princess of Wales's secret lover for five years.
[18:20] (RustyFord) http://www.people.com/people/prince_harry (--- he's got his dad's eyes in that picture
[18:20] (ChgeZombi) man oh man oh chevits
[18:20] (pilgrim`) now if only Diana had had a Bantu lover....
[18:20] (redfish) free credit report dot com
[18:20] (lexes) oh cripes, he doesnt look like charles at all
[18:20] (ProfLupin) cchhhaaannngggeeee??????
[18:20] (FreeTrad3) In a book by Diana's former police bodyguard Ken Wharfe, the rumours are also quashed.
[18:20] (FreeTrad3) Mr Wharfe said the gossip used to upset the Princess.
[18:20] (ChgeZombi) http://www.ea.com/armyoftwo/
[18:21] (FreeTrad3) I am almost positively sure my mother has never had a child by anyone but my father.
[18:21] (redfish) freetrade im your brother
[18:21] (FreeTrad3) but if I had a knock on the door some day by someone claiming to be my brother or sister i wouldnt be shocked..
[18:21] (FreeTrad3) Well he was in Japan for some years during the occupaiton
[18:21] (FreeTrad3) I am sure he did not spend every night alone.
[18:21] (lexes) i have two half brothers i have never met
[18:22] (RustyFord) http://www.hellomagazine.com/profiles/princecharles/ (--- nah his eyes are just like charles ---) http://www.people.com/people/prince_harry
[18:22] (FreeTrad3) And chicks dig my dad in a way that well, I guess I have had my charms but i am much shyer.
[18:22] (RustyFord) only a dishonest fool would see a difference
[18:23] (RustyFord) hell even his nose is just like his pops
[18:23] (FreeTrad3) But then I have never cheated on my wife.. And if my dad ever did it wasnt till late in his life. or before he was married i am confident..
[18:23] (ProfLupin) Rusty is just jealous that Diana did everyone, but him
[18:24] (FreeTrad3) Today, red hair is most commonly found at the western fringes of Europe. It is associated particularly with those in Scotland, Ireland , Wales, and England.
[18:24] (pilgrim`) Diana actually had a horny midget under that wedding dress
[18:24] (ProfLupin) 'a'? she had all seven dwarfs!
[18:24] (pilgrim`) the mark of Gilgamesh it is called
[18:24] (FreeTrad3) I am btw half British Including scotland..
[18:24] (ProfLupin) Rusty was the only dwaft not invited to the snapper buffet
[18:24] (pilgrim`) naw just droopy gropy and sleazy
[18:25] (FreeTrad3) Scottish Irish and English on my moms side
[18:25] (FreeTrad3) Mostly irish on my moms side
[18:25] (FreeTrad3) on my dads side, Dutch.
[18:25] (RustyFord) and by the way Princes Di wasn't a "blonde" she dyed her hair
[18:25] (pilgrim`) Gilgamesh the hero of Sumerian folklore and star of what is probably the oldest book (The Enuma Elish) was a redhead
[18:25] (FreeTrad3) Irish is the newer people in the us in my family the dutch go back to new amsterdam.
[18:26] (FreeTrad3) Btu the dutch kept to themselves for a long time.
[18:26] (pilgrim`) Free my family lived next door in New Jersey. Hugenots
[18:26] (pilgrim`) well the one who brought the name was
[18:26] (FreeTrad3) I haVE THE entire geneaology of my family up to about 1980 or so on the dutch side all the ay back to the netherlands.
[18:26] (ProfLupin) /msg TheTailor http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:40:./temp/~c110q29DW5:e21944: H.R.4900
[18:26] (ProfLupin) Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Reform and Firearms Modernization Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)
[18:27] (pilgrim`) funny though, that side had "other" differences
[18:27] (pilgrim`) ProfLupin a new steal all?
[18:27] (FreeTrad3) In the 70s there were 10k direct descendents..
[18:27] (FreeTrad3) Today its probably at least 20k
[18:27] (FreeTrad3) that reminds me i need to enroll my wife and kids in the family tree
[18:27] (FreeTrad3) I think ill do that
[18:27] (redfish) chicks dig freetrade's wolfhead earrings
[18:27] (pilgrim`) what is wrong with just enforcing laws already on the books?
[18:28] (ProfLupin) pilgrim`: making *HOLLYWOOD* exempt from 922(o)
[18:28] (RustyFord) ohh and by the way Queen Elizabeth had red hair
[18:28] (pilgrim`) oh great
[18:28] (FreeTrad3) Redfish, nah that was in my lonely desolate monkish years
[18:28] (Yaakov) Red hair is a sign of degeneracy.
[18:28] (pilgrim`) probably
[18:29] (pilgrim`) after all, the oldest huamn book mentions a redhead
[18:29] (pilgrim`) gotta go
[18:30] (ProfLupin) TheTailor must time out.. hmm.. this is the house bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.4900.IH:
[18:30] (ProfLupin) senate bill is very close
[18:30] (lexes) well, layla tov, i need to lie down. Shalom.
[18:30] * TimeAFK is now known as TimeFX
[18:30] (redfish) freetrade vanity fair has a new article which talks about how bush provoked a civil war in palestine
[18:30] (redfish) http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804
[18:30] (ProfLupin) basically: the police, private mercenaries [ i.e. black water ] and hollywood have the constitutional right to machineguns.
[18:30] * ProfLupin brain curls up and dies trying to figure it out
[18:31] (oc80z) avoiding conflict would be the smartest thing for iran to do
[18:31] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3?
[18:31] (FreeTrad3) Yaak yes ?
[18:31] (Yaakov) FreeTrad3: /msg
[18:31] (FreeTrad3) Redfish, What hogwash..
[18:32] (FreeTrad3) well its entirely untrue and in fact its good
[18:32] (FreeTrad3) Hamas needed to be seperated from the rest..
[18:32] (FreeTrad3) Hamas is a terrorist group
[18:33] (ChgeZombi) i thought Hamas was some stupid healtfood veggy thingy
[18:33] (ProfLupin) WWOOHOOO!!!!!! We got Sugarmann's FFL pulled!!!!
[18:33] * ProfLupin does the happy dance!
[18:34] (^ishi^) it is hummus
[18:34] (ChgeZombi) oh...ty
[18:34] (ChgeZombi) stupid ME!
[18:34] (FreeTrad3) I mean its not entirely untrue... We refuse to do buisness with Hamas unless they renounce terror as a tactic.
[18:34] (FreeTrad3) and they refuse to.
[18:34] (ChgeZombi) gawd
[18:35] (davtek) your such a dumbasszombi
[18:35] (FreeTrad3) Abbas on the other and is willingto work with the US and Israel and the Quartet.
[18:35] (e-Hernick) Hamas embraces terror and often fires dozens of rockets at Israel every day
[18:35] (RustyFord) if the pentagon knows that China is hacking our military computers how come we aren't hacking them back?
[18:35] (davtek) that wasnt even funny
[18:35] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: Abbas has broken off al diplomatic contacts with Israel
[18:35] (e-Hernick) sll
[18:35] (e-Hernick) m234523tewhitsgh *all*
[18:35] (RustyFord) how come we aren't uploading massive virii to take down their entire system
[18:35] (davtek) no 'lol points for u
[18:36] (FreeTrad3) I love bush but I think one of his larger faults is believing in democracy universally, I dont think its good universally its good for contries that are reasy and Afghanistan and Iraqwere ready..
[18:36] (FreeTrad3) Iran could be ready the people are
[18:36] (FreeTrad3) Hamas is not..
[18:36] (FreeTrad3) Saudi Arabia will not be for decades at the very least.
[18:37] (e-Hernick) "The Palestinian leader [Abbas] froze peace talks with Israel in the wake of the latest round of violence, which left more than 100 Palestinians and two Israel Defense Forces soldiers dead, and began last Wednesday, when Israel killed five Hamas militants it said were planning an attack"
[18:37] (FreeTrad3) Nor will its neighbor Kuwait, although they both have instituted very minor democratic reforms dealign with local governments.
[18:37] (e-Hernick) oh, good news, Abbas has already reversed his position
[18:37] (davtek) i love kuwait..that little german polar bear
[18:37] (e-Hernick) "Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Monday he was ready to mediate a truce between Israel and the Islamic Hamas movement, after five days of fierce fighting in the Gaza Strip and intensified rocket attacks from the Strip into southern Israel."
[18:37] (FreeTrad3) e-, It may have been wise for him to, even if he agreed with Israel.
[18:37] (ProfLupin) FreeTrad3: This is AWESOME. The head of the "Violence Policy Center" in Washington DC has his federal firearms license yanked for fraud :-)
[18:38] (RustyFord) the problem with supporting these governments in democracy is we don't always like who they elect
[18:38] (panini) ProfLupin, what did he do?
[18:38] (RustyFord) and like it or not Hamas won the elections in Palestine
[18:38] * _oc80z is now known as oc80z
[18:38] (FreeTrad3) And then I support totally Israel going after Hamas and people who fire missiles and so on but I dont know if as it appeaered in one story because people shot missiles relatively to close to an old mans home it god bulldozes..
[18:38] (e-Hernick) RustyFord: the gazans have elected terrorists..
[18:38] (ChgeZombi) ha
[18:38] (Mau1) Rusty: yeah, and the ones supporting them, democratically, can get a fat missile in the face for doing so.
[18:38] (Mau1) one voter, one bomb
[18:38] (FreeTrad3) So I never know for sure if Israels policies are over heavy handed or not, I do think on the specific issue of Rockets they have been way too tolerant..
[18:39] (ChgeZombi) your jokes suck too
[18:39] (e-Hernick) when the majority of Gazans support terror, they cannot be allowed to choose their own leadership
[18:39] (ChgeZombi) no lol points for u either
[18:39] (TheTailor) ChgeZombi is mean!
[18:39] (FreeTrad3) B ut I dont know if its wise to bulldoze a house when the occupant wasnt even accused of being involved.
[18:39] (Mau1) it's a warzone.
[18:39] (davtek) yesh he is
[18:39] (redfish) freetrade well i think the author misses that the us has for a long time offered material support to democratic causes, for instance we largely funded the orange revolution in ukraine
[18:39] (Mau1) Hamas' responsibility for firing rockets from among civilian homes.
[18:39] (ProfLupin) panini: they're rabidly against the second amendment.. but they used a loophole to be able to own handguns in Washington DC.. which is to have an FFL01.. "we" got his license revolked.
[18:40] (FreeTrad3) I dont see why you cant keep a flee tof ac130 gunships in the air and or helicopters with infrared and nail these guys as soon as they expose themselves.
[18:40] (davtek) wait...when i buy hummus...i'm donating to a terrorist faction????
[18:40] (davtek) omg
[18:40] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: because they don't expose themselves.. they fire from the windows of heavily populated appartment buildings for example
[18:40] (RustyFord) hah FT if they were to do that, the UN would have a fit!
[18:40] (FreeTrad3) You could fire a flare to verify it a launch site and 5 seconds later follow it with a hell fire missile.
[18:40] * davtek changes his shopping habbits
[18:40] (Mau1) Israel doesn't have AC130s, far as I know. They do have pilotless drones, but it's a place with over a million people
[18:41] (FreeTrad3) Rusty I want justice whatever that is..
[18:41] (ChgeZombi) change????
[18:41] (ChgeZombi) did u say .....change!!!??
[18:42] (FreeTrad3) For the Israelis and the Palestinians. The bombings the rocket attacks must stop.. But that doesnt give Israel a free ride in reponse just as I approve of the US rules of engagment, I think Israel needs and may already have similar rules of enagement, I hope so.
[18:42] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: and what do you do for all the times Hamas fires missiles from the roof of a school during school hours?
[18:42] (FreeTrad3) There are innocent people mixed in with these cold blooded terrorists like in Iraq.
[18:42] (Mau1) of course it does, or there'd be not 100 dead Gazans, but several thousand or more.
[18:42] (e-Hernick) Hamas uses hospitals, schools, residential housing units as bases of operations to fire their terror missiles
[18:42] (FreeTrad3) E I take out the people on the roof..
[18:42] (FreeTrad3) though I have never heard of them doing this
[18:43] (Mau1) e-Hernick: and Egyptian red crescent ambulances..
[18:43] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: yeah, but you can't do that with a hellfire missile
[18:43] (FreeTrad3) I have only head of them doing it in fields
[18:43] (FreeTrad3) at night
[18:43] (FreeTrad3) Do they have school at night for kids ?
[18:43] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: and terrorists don't take long to flee the scene of the crime and hide in the middle of schoolchildren
[18:43] (davtek) humm....the man who trades freedom for security does not deserve, nor will every receive either.
[18:43] (FreeTrad3) You can use machine guns and carefully target them
[18:43] (e-Hernick) yeah, but it takes minutes to get there
[18:43] (FreeTrad3) with an AC130 spectre you can target very accurately
[18:43] (davtek) build your army
[18:43] (FreeTrad3) Do they have AC130s ?
[18:44] (ProfLupin) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4464/vpcfflrb7.jpg
[18:44] (e-Hernick) yeah, but there is collateral damage if you use a gunship against them
[18:44] (Mau1) hamas firing from school http://youtube.com/watch?v=YLbZyWZI3hU
[18:44] (FreeTrad3) Not neccesarily
[18:44] (FreeTrad3) I am saying you do what you have to do
[18:44] (FreeTrad3) there may be collatoral damage but you minimize it.
[18:44] (FreeTrad3) Kids are kids..
[18:44] (davtek) oh yea...hamas has used civilians for shelter for yrs
[18:44] (davtek) please
[18:45] (e-Hernick) and if you fire back at Hamas terror launch sites, you kill kids
[18:45] (davtek) hidden weapons in schools
[18:45] (RustyFord) AC130 Helicopter footage of a Massacre
[18:45] (FreeTrad3) Brainwashed future killers or not, at age 6-8 I dont hold them responsible i do thier teachers and their parents if they are responsibile.
[18:45] (RustyFord) Further evidence that our government is turning into more of an Israeli style
[18:45] (RustyFord) army, shooting at anything that moves with missles.
[18:45] (davtek) please..thats soooo old news
[18:45] (RustyFord) hhahahaha AC130 Helicopter
[18:45] (FreeTrad3) Rusty
[18:45] (RustyFord) i love some of these "news sites"
[18:45] (FreeTrad3) AC130s have pinpoint accuracy as well as massive potential for casualties
[18:45] (FreeTrad3) you can pick off snipes from an ac130
[18:45] (davtek) i hate the mainsteam media...all i see here is what is being spewed this week
[18:46] (FreeTrad3) the beauty of it is its very versatile.
[18:46] (RustyFord) i tried to email them to correct them but they don't have an email address
[18:46] (FreeTrad3) You could theoretically knock off the 3 guys on top of the building..
[18:46] (davtek) i need to be reminded that...even if i hate the french..i do like the dissident frogman
[18:46] (FreeTrad3) I dont know the situation thats for the field commanders to make the call
[18:46] (Mau1) more like the Israeli style? well, you do what you have to against terrorists, as FreeTrad3 said.
[18:47] (FreeTrad3) you can also use a missile and hit the school in such a way as to minimize damage to the school
[18:47] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: it would be nice to have 100% of gaza under constant surveillance and the ability to exterminate any terrorist within 3-5 seconds after he fires a qassam.. but then, the terrorists are gonna fire qassams on timers
[18:47] (FreeTrad3) like a smaller missile with a more horizontal aim
[18:47] (davtek) http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/blog/link/like-a-suppository-only-stronger/
[18:47] (FreeTrad3) I dont knwo
[18:47] (FreeTrad3) Im not claiming to have answers..
[18:47] (e-Hernick) the fact is over 50% of gazans support Hamas Terror
[18:47] (FreeTrad3) I know if i was in charge of Israel I would do all I could to STOP the missiles..
[18:47] (e-Hernick) when the gazans themselves are great proponents of terrorism
[18:47] (FreeTrad3) And I dont know what that would entail..
[18:47] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: yes, that means re-occupation
[18:48] (FreeTrad3) If it meant temporary martial law i dont know.
[18:48] (FreeTrad3) If it meant a DMZ pushing them into even tighter quarters i might do that.
[18:48] (e-Hernick) in fact Israel has started to threaten re-occupation in recent days
[18:49] (FreeTrad3) I migth announce to them to no avail but i would still announce something like Look if these missile attacks do not stop we will establish a Protective zone 5 miles wide where anyone who enters is a dead man
[18:49] (FreeTrad3) or child
[18:49] (FreeTrad3) I would need to know a lot more to make any kind of decisions and i dont have enough information.
[18:49] (FreeTrad3) I do know this
[18:49] (Mau1) yeah, that makes sense.
[18:49] (FreeTrad3) Palestinians are people too
[18:49] (FreeTrad3) And they are not all bad.
[18:49] * TimeFX is now known as TimeAFK
[18:50] (Mau1) and a high percentage of that people in Gaza support other people who launch missiles which results in consequences.
[18:50] (FreeTrad3) Its a horrible situation for Israel they are between a rock and a hard place.
[18:50] (Mau1) no, they're not all bad. The not-bad ones aren't the issue.
[18:50] (ProfLupin) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/262/gtspin3fd6.jpg
[18:50] (ProfLupin) 2" from 175k
[18:51] (FreeTrad3) But I cant stand the people here who call fro the slaughter or palestinians i wonder what the hell they are thinking, we wouldnt tolerate that from the US army in Iraq, I wouldnt..
[18:51] (FreeTrad3) And i am proud of the US military
[18:51] (Mau1) it's not really the same situation, either.
[18:51] (FreeTrad3) And so far since Sharon dropped that 2 ton bomb on an apt complext after that I think Israel has used reasonable restraint
[18:51] (Hiker_) The US Military is somethin gto be proud of...maybe one of the only things the federal government has done right
[18:51] (FreeTrad3) I dint approve of leveling a 3 story apt to get to one guy..
[18:52] (Mau1) I did. I would again.
[18:52] (FreeTrad3) Ilove our military because our military hate to kill even the enemy..
[18:52] (FreeTrad3) hates.. rahter..
[18:52] (FreeTrad3) The sign of a proud and good miltiary is one which doesnt even enjoy killing, but that is their job.
[18:52] (FreeTrad3) its a mission they do it without much passion.
[18:53] (FreeTrad3) they do it with honor and because its neccesary
[18:53] (Hiker_) what is the sign of a proud and good legislative body?
[18:53] (Mau1) it is? I've heard soldiers interviewed who're pretty gung ho
[18:53] (FreeTrad3) Now on the one side some pilots probably loved taking out some bad cells especially of mass murderers like Zawahiri
[18:53] (FreeTrad3) No not him
[18:53] (FreeTrad3) the other guy
[18:53] (e-Hernick) Abu Ghraib!#%
[18:53] (davtek) we nuking slims yet
[18:53] (FreeTrad3) the guy who was leader of Al queda in Iraq for a long time.
[18:53] (FreeTrad3) zarqawi
[18:54] (ChgeZombi) yea...what davtek said
[18:54] (FreeTrad3) Abugrhaib was anomalous
[18:54] (ChgeZombi) are weeeeeeeee?
[18:54] (FreeTrad3) atypical
[18:54] (FreeTrad3) and unamerican
[18:54] (RustyFord) they are called skinnies and no we aren't nuking them yet
[18:54] (Hiker_) Abu Ghraib is nothing
[18:54] (e-Hernick) and purely the work of low-level soldiers, with absolutely no knowledge of higher-ranking officials
[18:54] (FreeTrad3) Who are called skinnies and who are we not nuking ?
[18:55] (FreeTrad3) We wont use nukes.. period.
[18:55] (e-Hernick) FreeTrad3: even if North Korea starts shelling Seoul?
[18:55] (ChgeZombi) christ ...just tryin to get thru security doin a service call at the cannon bldg is like gitmo
[18:55] (Hiker_) why oh why can't Apple write any decent software for Windows PC's
[18:55] (FreeTrad3) we dont need to for one thing we have weapons almost as bad which are conventional.Accordign to some well placed military friends. or freind.
[18:56] (davtek) see...cus ur a zombi ass
[18:56] (ProfLupin) Hiker_: monopolistic politics of Apple
[18:56] (e-Hernick) nothing beats a 10MT nuke
[18:56] (FreeTrad3) ehernick, we could destroy their front line pretty fast
[18:56] (davtek) i besides...you get paid by the hr...what the hell you griping about
[18:56] (Hiker_) I got a new Nano as a gift....I hate iTunes
[18:57] (e-Hernick) ProfLupin: don't you mean microsoft?
[18:57] (ChgeZombi) well..i figure...if the security guy gets to pat me down...i should return the favor
[18:57] (e-Hernick) cause I don't see Apple as having a monopoly anywhere
[18:57] (Hiker_) Apple has a monopoly on piss poor software
[18:57] (FreeTrad3) I am aware of one weapon rarely here talk about that we could use that would be devestating.. I wonder if its listed officially as a weapon system. hmm I think Ill do some research.
[18:57] (e-Hernick) Hiker_: so what's your choice of music software?
[18:57] (e-Hernick) winamp?
[18:57] (Hiker_) iTunes isn't music software
[18:58] (ChgeZombi) hey...btw...mucicmatch
[18:58] (ChgeZombi) did yahoo buy it?
[18:58] (e-Hernick) Hiker_: what's your prefered alternative to iTunes
[18:58] (ProfLupin) e-Hernick: nope.. Apple killed off all the Mac compatible clones..
[18:58] (ChgeZombi) and can the old 'musicmatch reg.' be used?
[18:58] (Hiker_) On my Zen I like to use Juice
[18:58] (Hiker_) On my Sansa I like to use ZiePod
[18:59] (Hiker_) RockBox on the Sansa is very good too
[18:59] (ChgeZombi) i'm gonna invent the pod to end all pods...the omgaPod
[18:59] (ProfLupin) speaking of which.. Apple lied about their TimeVault. it doesnt sport a server quality HD.. but rather, a plain old desktop sata drive
[18:59] (Hiker_) I wish there was a RockBox for the new Nano
[18:59] (ProfLupin) http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/03/03/apple_timecapsule_hdd/
[18:59] (Hiker_) I'd dump this apple crap in a skinny minute
[18:59] (davtek) that was a stupid joke...no one got it
[19:00] (davtek) minus 'lol points' for u
[19:01] (davtek) besides...its THE OMEGApod
[19:01] (davtek) not the omegaPOD
[19:01] (davtek) emphisis on the ENDing of all ENDINGS
[19:01] (davtek) gawd..your so dence
[19:01] * ProfLupin takes a wiz on davtek
[19:01] (ChgeZombi) grrrr
[19:02] (ChgeZombi) but..i'm dry
[19:02] * ChgeZombi hands davtek a towel
[19:03] (davtek) crude...very crude
[19:03] (davtek) both of u
[19:03] (Hiker_) PornPOD
[19:03] (ProfLupin) yea.. the History Channel has returned to being the Nazi Channel
[19:03] (CometBaby) Interesting documentary on the Internet on SCI channel.
[19:03] (davtek) shame on u
[19:04] (CometBaby) called.. Download: The True Story of the Internet
[19:04] (ProfLupin) CometBaby: Al Gore?
[19:04] (CometBaby) lol
[19:04] (davtek) oh please
[19:04] (Mau1) http://christopherhitchenswatch.blogspot.com/2007/07/peter-dale-scott-on-chomsky-zinn-9-11.html (-- excellent
[19:04] (ProfLupin) davtek: you got the hots for him?
[19:04] * davtek might like this
[19:04] (debauched) Discovery Science is showing 2 new hours of docs on browsers and Google
[19:04] (CometBaby) talking about Mosaic
[19:05] (debauched) yes
[19:05] (debauched) I got Mosaic with Internet in a Box heh
[19:05] (Justkem) Damn. I miss expanded cable.
[19:05] (davtek) cus..i was a radio op back in the 70's for af1..and...we did kinda work what would become the internet
[19:05] (ProfLupin) CometBaby: Do you know who Sugarman of the "Violence Prevention Center", the strong anti-second amendment lobbiest group in Washington DC?
[19:05] (davtek) ty cometbabyniceperson
[19:05] (CometBaby) no .. never heard of them
[19:05] (ChgeZombi) gawd...quit sucking up...for ops
[19:05] (CometBaby) dav :)
[19:06] (ProfLupin) CometBaby: they work closely with the "Brady Campaign" on gun bans, etc
[19:06] (ChgeZombi) you cant fool her
[19:06] (davtek) k
[19:06] (ProfLupin) CometBaby: A few months ago, we found out that he had a "federal fire arms license" given by Clinton, which was a loop-hole in the DC GUn Ban. So that HE could own a handgun.
[19:07] (CometBaby) ROFL
[19:07] (ProfLupin) we, being other FFL holders on various forumns..
[19:07] (CometBaby) another hypocrite
[19:07] (Kaliuna) hi Comet
[19:07] (ProfLupin) Guess what? We got his FFL pulled for violation of regulations :-) the FFL requires 1) you are in the business-for-profit.. 2) you maintain a retail location
[19:08] (CometBaby) now they are putting together the team to build netscape
[19:08] (CometBaby) kali :)
[19:08] (ProfLupin) sadly.. the DC gun ban is about to go bye bye.. so he'll get his guns back soon enough :(
[19:08] (CometBaby) wolfy .. haha
[19:08] (Hiker_) Prof...ya think so??
[19:08] (CometBaby) well I hope he also got some publicity he didn't want
[19:08] (davtek) guess what i found out today...
[19:09] (davtek) you cant copy and paste script to the 501 pix firewalls wif a usb/serial port
[19:09] (Hiker_) will SCOTUS back the 2nd?
[19:09] (ProfLupin) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4464/vpcfflrb7.jpg
[19:09] (davtek) i had to fricking copy and paste..line by line...a three page script...twice
[19:09] (ProfLupin) Hiker_: very few doubt about the DC gunban will be thrown out.. but the real possibility is, they'll still allow "technical bans", like NYC and Chicago..
[19:10] (Hiker_) What exactly is a federal firearms license? I have a state issued concealed carry permit
[19:10] (davtek) cus...the usb doesnt wait for responce msg's back on 'conf term. settings
[19:10] (debauched) can they prosecute Sugarman for any technical violations dueto his false application for the FFL?
[19:10] (davtek) config
[19:10] (davtek) cheap ass firewall product
[19:11] (debauched) you need an FFL to ship firearms
[19:11] (ChgeZombi) your just mad cus a stupid little box kicked your ass.
[19:12] (Hiker_) OH...THAT FFL
[19:12] (Hiker_) nevermind
[19:12] (^ishi^) bye
[19:12] (Hiker_) Guns are good...we need ammo subsidies though
[19:12] (Hiker_) We need to cut back the free lunch programs and reroute that cash to ammo subsidies
[19:13] (debauched) any report on what firearms Sugarman owned?
[19:13] (CometBaby) as an aside, my best friend is dating a guy who shoots professionally.
[19:13] (CometBaby) and has won a gold medal in the olympics as well as two silvers and a bronze
[19:13] (Hiker_) I will be running the firing range at Scout Camp with summer....BB gun sand Archery
[19:13] (Hiker_) it's Cub Scouts
[19:14] (Hiker_) It's going to be a blast
[19:14] (CometBaby) We met him last friday night .. we went out to dinner with them. He is a super nice guy. Very much the redneck :)
[19:14] (CometBaby) drives a hummer ..
[19:14] (Hiker_) Comet...did he cut his meat with his pocket knife...like I do?
[19:14] (CometBaby) lol
[19:14] (CometBaby) he does a lot of hunting
[19:15] (Nockian) CometBaby: which year did he win those medals?
[19:15] (CometBaby) he is sponsored by cabaellas and 3 or 4 others
[19:15] (CometBaby) with his shooting
[19:15] (CometBaby) he goes to different shooting things around the country .. he said he will start getting busy once it warms up
[19:15] (CometBaby) some company gave him some kind of little cart he takes with him .. can go anywhere he says.
[19:16] (CometBaby) wonder cart? Something like that
[19:16] (CometBaby) another one his ammo
[19:16] (davtek) ahhhh...your not suppost to take those home
[19:16] (Nockian) CometBaby: i don't know of any American winning four medals for shooting in any olympics
[19:16] (davtek) i wanted to..but..got stopped
[19:16] (CometBaby) another one pays him $5,000 for every first place hit he gets .. per event .. and there are a lot of events
[19:16] (CometBaby) Nockian .. maybe I misunderstood
[19:17] (davtek) they caught me when i went back for the charger
[19:17] (davtek) :}
[19:17] (CometBaby) maybe he was talking about something else .. the conversation moved a lot
[19:17] (Nockian) CometBaby: nah, it's more likely he was bullshitting :)
[19:17] (CometBaby) but he did get the gold in the olympics I am certain of that
[19:17] (ChgeZombi) see...no one listens to u
[19:17] (CometBaby) nockian then how come all the sponsors?
[19:17] (ChgeZombi) minus more 'lol' points
[19:18] (ChgeZombi) i bet you have a shopping cart in back of your house just 'incase you become homeless'
[19:18] (davtek) always planning
[19:19] (davtek) and...stay the f out of my back yard
[19:19] (ChgeZombi) sounds like good forigen policy
[19:20] (ChgeZombi) stay the f out of my backyard
[19:20] (ChgeZombi) hehe
[19:20] (ChgeZombi) McCain
[19:20] (debauched) ProfLupin: what do you mean by technical bans? In Chicago, you have to have your firearms registered, but they dont allow people to register firearms, unless they are security guards or police. I think what they actually want is a pretext for the police to be able to seize any firearm they encounter
[19:21] (redfish) rasmussen polls now show:Hillary Clinton doing better against John McCain than Barack Obama. Hillary loses 47% against 44%. Obama loses 47% against 42%.
[19:21] (Hiker_) debauched...Illinois is a commie state when it comes to guns...they'd make a nazi proud
[19:23] (Hiker_) Hey, I lowered my cholesterol!
[19:23] (Hiker_) and my LDL
[19:23] (Hiker_) I'm the man!
[19:23] (debauched) well, I'm just trying to deal with reality. All I know is that criminals dont want people to have weapons, and that the politicians in this jurisdiction are career criminals
[19:24] (Nockian) i heard that McCain is considering John Kerry as his VP, anyone else?
[19:24] (DeDannan) gotta stop listening to them voices, Nockian :)
[19:24] (Hiker_) I heard McCain is just hoping to stay alive .... he's ancient
[19:25] (DeDannan) hey...73 is the new 55!
[19:25] (Hiker_) he needs a wise choice of a running mate...I am available
[19:25] (DeDannan) I am too...but I don't think he'd settle for being Vice President
[19:26] (Hiker_) I'd rather be VP
[19:26] (Hiker_) good luck finding me in my office
[19:26] (Hiker_) I just need to know when payday is
[19:26] (Kaliuna) you couldn't pay me enough to be in an elected office
[19:26] (DeDannan) kind of like the Current Occupant
[19:34] (Swigert) hey
[19:34] (DeDannan) it Swigert
[19:34] (Swigert) hey Dedannan
[19:35] (DeDannan) howsya?
[19:35] (Hiker_) Kali...2 yrs in congress means $330,000 PLUS bennies
[19:35] (Kaliuna) Hiker -- ya ya I know... but cost of living there...
[19:35] (Swigert) heh I'm okay
[19:35] (Swigert) tired of constantly having to refresh my self-confidence
[19:37] (Swigert) mykl!
[19:38] (FreeTrad3) 18:38:23 03/03/2008 LOG
[19:38] (Swigert) well today is Alberta election day - geeeeee, I wonder who will win
[19:39] (Swigert) Alberta has basically had the same party in power for the past 75 years
[19:39] (DeDannan) death to the imperialist running dog lackeys of the global economic hegemony!
[19:39] (DeDannan) or something...
[19:39] (Swigert) world's most successful one-party state
[19:39] (debauched) hahahah this doc on Netscape vs. M$ isamusing
[19:41] (debauched) the clash of personalities
[19:41] (Swigert) so, Obama wins TX and OH tomorrow, shutting Hillary out
[19:42] (Swigert) but will Huckabee win TX?
[19:42] (debauched) who was more mental? So far they only show Gates as having a sociopathic personality, no mention of Jobs and Apple
[19:42] (debauched) it must have been the cocaine
[19:43] (Kaliuna) why does everything have to be blamed on drugs?
[19:43] (Swigert) kali: because we dont want to believe megalomania occurs naturally
[19:43] (Kaliuna) Swiggy -- Obama doesn't even have to "win" totally -- close will be more than enough
[19:43] (Pinkii) Hello everyone
[19:43] (Kaliuna) swiggy - well it does...
[19:43] (Swigert) kali: yes I know that - but we don't want to believe it
[19:43] (debauched) no, not blamed, they would have made the same legal moves.
[19:44] (Kaliuna) probably
[19:44] (Swigert) deb: megalomaniacs + lawyers = bad news
[19:44] (Kaliuna) swiggy -- bout time stopped feeding the media hype though -- and kept 'to the facts'
[19:44] (Rocky2-) this country is at a critical point in history, about to accelerate its decline
[19:45] (Kaliuna) Rocky2- -- good grief -- get ahold of yourself...
[19:45] (Swigert) America will survive
[19:45] (Swigert) kali: why? they make money off it
[19:45] (_Forbin) all we have to do is pulverize washington with phone calls and emails and they will get stuff done
[19:45] (_Forbin) :)0
[19:45] (Kaliuna) swiggy -- and why should we be giving our good money to feed the hype any more
[19:45] (Swigert) kali: good point, as usual
[19:45] (Kaliuna) Forbin-- or stop what we don't want them to do :)
[19:45] * Rocky2- grabs a hold of himself....Hey, i shouldn'ta done that
[19:45] (_Forbin) there ya go
[19:46] (debauched) working for days on end coding is reminiscent of the mental disorders of a number of physicians and surgeons during the 189-'s :P
[19:46] (debauched) err 1890's
[19:46] (Kaliuna) you mean its changed??
[19:46] (Swigert) we should use phrenology
[19:46] (Rocky2-) Swigert, believe that humanity will survive, the world will survive. America, that's a different story. Nations come and go, rise and fall, expand and decline.
[19:47] (Pinkii) Blah I'm bored
[19:47] (Pinkii) This convo sucks
[19:47] (debauched) Dr Halsted (sp?), who devised the residency system of training, was totally incoherent, according to a PBS Nova episode back in the 70's heh
[19:48] (Kaliuna) Rocky2- -- the United States of America is comprised of almost every nation of the world
[19:48] (Rocky2-) Kaliuna, ok, i'll go with that
[19:49] (Swigert) countries rarely say one day "Okay we're in decline" = it takes a while
[19:49] (Kaliuna) it is unique in history...
[19:49] (Rocky2-) Swigert, modern history runs at a faster speed
[19:49] (Swigert) rocky2: so it takes decades rather than centuries
[19:49] (Swigert) no big deal
[19:49] (Rocky2-) Kaliuna, not really. Lots of nations have had big population fluxes
[19:50] (Rocky2-) swigert, right, nations rise and fall, etc etc. No big deal for the world. Just a big deal for Americans
[19:50] (Kaliuna) Rocky2- -- population - but not from anywhere near as many nations... or what is it you don't comprehend
[19:50] (Swigert) other countries will feel its effects
[19:51] (Rocky2-) kaliuna, i don't comprehend your point
[19:51] (Kaliuna) Rocky2- -- other countries have population flux -- usually from nearby countries people moving in and out...
[19:51] (Rocky2-) Kaliuna, ok. I don't contest that
[19:51] (Kaliuna) the USA has people of almost ALL other nations ... not just a flux here and there --
[19:52] (Glock21) I'd be shocked if there was a nation we didn't have people from.
[19:52] (Kaliuna) ideas incorporated ...
[19:52] (Kaliuna) Glock -- ya probably so... there might be one - but kinda doubt it
[19:53] (robbins61) anyone seen the assassination of jesse james?
[19:53] (FreeTrad3) America will be fine, and President McCain will see to it.. Along with all of us.. Dont be pessimistic thats what democrats are for (Acording to actual studies ;))
[19:53] (Kaliuna) FreeTrad3 -- ayup!
[19:53] (robbins61) fuck president mccain
[19:54] (Glock21) robbins61... very convincing.
[19:55] (FreeTrad3) Actually did come up in a study of republicans vs Democrats and personality, Republicans much more optomistic and positive thinking Democrats negative and pessimistic but its not suprising, most entrepreneurs are republicans and thats a group that couldnt exist without optimism..
[19:55] (Kaliuna) ohhhh we got potty mouths... bad bad... naughty naughty
[19:55] (Rocky2-) we have people from all over, but our population is not truly global yet. Over 50% of the population is WASP. But anyway, i'm not sure what being 'representative' of the world actually does for us if our culture is collapsing.
[19:55] (DarthBurg) FreeTrad3 lots of Democrat angst out there. over. confirmed sightings
[19:56] (FreeTrad3) Then we have the negative sky is falling illegal alients are taking over, We are all going to die republicans, but they are offset by the union is our only hope democrats who think being fired is like rape and they shouldnt have to conform to any stadards or work ethics ;)
[19:56] (FreeTrad3) hahaha
[19:56] (pr0vost) http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Hillary_endorses_McCain_over_Obama
[19:56] (FreeTrad3) I had to get that in there ;)
[19:56] (Kaliuna) yupyup
[19:56] (pr0vost) my god, why isn't dean pulling this shrew to the side and casting her out of the party
[19:56] (pr0vost) what a vile human being.
[19:56] (Pinkii) mmmmm Peeps
[19:57] (DarthBurg) I was not aware that the illegal aliens were taking over. I just figured that their own country sucked, er, lacked USA opportunity
[19:57] (pr0vost) knowing she stands to lose -- save for some miraculous turn of events -- she would rather destroy our party than cede victory to obama..
[19:57] (pr0vost) my god, i.....i'm so close to saying somethingt hat would....ugh
[19:57] (FreeTrad3) I would not be surprised if more than few democrati senators sneak over the aisle for McCain, No bnnot because he is liberal hes not. But because they have enormous respect for him as do most Republican Senators..
[19:57] (pr0vost) such a vile excuse for a woman....
[19:58] (debauched) The Pieing of William Gates by the Coward Steven Jobs
[19:58] (FreeTrad3) Santorum hates him but Satorum was in my view the most redneck republican we had and I was gla to see him go.
[19:58] (DarthBurg) the Democrats will shank McCain in the back, and its predictable.
[19:58] (Rocky2-) i'm no Dem, but why should Hillary concede before she's truly beaten?
[19:58] (pr0vost) i've never hated a politican more than i hate this bitch....and i've hated george w bush for 8 years
[19:58] (FreeTrad3) pr0vost you've got mail, I mean problems.
[19:58] (pr0vost) rocky, because she IS beaten..even if she wins every state from this point on, she will always trail obama
[19:58] (Kaliuna) don't think HATE is appropriate term -- dislike
[19:58] (FreeTrad3) Florida..
[19:58] (Swigert) FT!!!
[19:58] (pr0vost) there is no statistical scenario that sees clinton catch up
[19:58] (Swigert) deb: heh
[19:58] (FreeTrad3) Swiggy!
[19:59] (FreeTrad3) Sure there is
[19:59] (pr0vost) no, there isn't
[19:59] (Rocky2-) pr0vost, it's ok to trail if both don't have majorities.
[19:59] (FreeTrad3) brokered convention
[19:59] (DarthBurg) i am holding out for my riots
[19:59] (FreeTrad3) Florida vote could come back into play.
[19:59] (Kaliuna) actually there is... the convention -- and ahhh hate to say it ... accidents
[19:59] (DarthBurg) if Hillary implodes to soon tho, there will be no riots.
[19:59] (pr0vost) unless she engages in electoral malfeasance, she will never catch up to obama....a point that has been made by a growing chorus of dem establishment members
[19:59] (pr0vost) she needs to withdraw..
[19:59] (Rocky2-) let her be beaten then
[20:00] (Swigert) Vote Obama - if only to save the world from Hillary
[20:00] (FreeTrad3) Also I havent seen any polling in the last 24 hours cant get to my tv yet but if she is making any traction in Texas, I think people right at the cusp now of ok, We love obama, now who hell is this mother fucker ?
[20:00] (DarthBurg) electoral malfeasance is a basic Democrat Motor Skill
[20:00] (pr0vost) darthburg, there will almost certainly be riots if she steals this nomination. it will make 1968 look like a trivial dinner spat..if she steals this nomination from obama, hillary supporters had best lock their doors, as they will be dragged into the streets
[20:00] (Glock21) bbiab
[20:00] (DarthBurg) 70% say the media is out of touch
[20:00] (Kaliuna) FreeTrad3 -- no one knows who he is, what he stands for, but they like his smile
[20:00] (FreeTrad3) SO I think he will get more scrutiny weekly now.
[20:00] (Rocky2-) dems are always the one messing with the ballots. That's why they're so sure that the REpublicans do it too.
[20:01] (debauched) theyre doing a new doc about Google on Discovery Science
[20:01] (FreeTrad3) Even the press is realizing they have been unfair in this election by holding Obama up as a Martin Luther king who he is not.
[20:01] (FreeTrad3) And a god, which he is not.
[20:01] (Pinkii) I bought so much Easter stuff today
[20:01] (DarthBurg) pr0vost i do not think I have ever voiced that opinion as strongly. but I agree.
[20:01] (Rocky2-) the adulterer is always sure his wife is cheating or ready to cheat
[20:01] (FreeTrad3) And I disagree with some republican strategists. Fight him as if he was as lilly white as his mother..
[20:01] (FreeTrad3) Dont even think twice about race.
[20:02] (Kaliuna) who needs to even think about race -- just lookat the lacks -- politically
[20:02] (pr0vost) regardless, she's inciting a civil war in the dem party...you have absolutely no idea just how emotional invested the millions of this guy's supporters are..what she's doing, motived by pure selfishness, is destroying this party she claims to be a member of..
[20:02] (pr0vost) i've never witnessed such hubris
[20:02] (DarthBurg) touche, there is plenty to beat obama up with there is no need to point out he is a "magic negro"
[20:02] (Rocky2-) seems to me that the people willing to riot are the really selfish ones
[20:02] (FreeTrad3) The Dems who are going to play the race card are going to claim everything is race, ignore them and say IM treating him as an equal iM not going to be racist against him and am not goint to be racist by being afraid to ask him the same tough questions I would ask anyone in a debat or whatever
[20:03] (Pinkii) I'm glad I'm not voting in this election
[20:03] (DarthBurg) pr0vost i have gotten death threats for simply pointing out america is not a shit hole.
[20:03] (Rocky2-) will hillary's supporters vote for Nader in the general election?)
[20:04] (pr0vost) rocky, we have a dem candidate that, for the first time in decades, inspires the disaffected to believe in something. i'm almost 30, and i've never felt so politically motivated, finding myself disgusted by the equivocating ways (triangulation, if you will) of your typical dem..
[20:04] (FreeTrad3) Fuck the Democratic Party I hope there is a war. Christ you have an extreme leftwing and you have a fairly moderate ring and there ought to be a war.. Democratic party used to hate communists and the idea that now some of them or actually in the party or are friends of the far left has to bother the moderate dems.. McCain is a man they can vote for because hes not a rightwing zealot but he is absolutely conservative.
[20:05] (pr0vost) he's a welcome antithesis to everything clinton and her husband have represented for the democratic party since 92..
[20:05] (Pinkii) I will never understand the party system....
[20:05] (Swigert) Only Obama can save America
[20:06] (DarthBurg) McCain has issues. for one, he is a senator, and he will provide Government Solutions.
[20:06] (FreeTrad3) NOpe
[20:06] (FreeTrad3) People trust him..
[20:06] (FreeTrad3) This is senator vs senator
[20:06] (Pinkii) But I just don't fit into any of them...so I don't get it
[20:06] (FreeTrad3) so there is no advantage or disadvantage.
[20:06] (Swigert) If you love America, vote for Obama
[20:06] (DarthBurg) yes, and we all know how much we love Senators for president.
[20:06] (FreeTrad3) And in some ways ironically McCain has been more conservative than most republicans.
[20:06] (FreeTrad3) I would say particularly Fiscally.
[20:07] (DarthBurg) bah, so he voted against some spending. he is full on class warfare on taxes. its nuts the whitewash his record gets now
[20:07] (Rocky2-) i think we're beyond the party system. The media makes the candidates these days. Could Kennedy have beaten Nixon 10 years earlier? That was the beginning of the new age. The change from party machines to the mob's sensibilities
[20:07] (FreeTrad3) He didnt go for the tax cuts which is too bad but thats not fiscal conservatism thats supply side, fiscal conservatism is more like McCain who is more into cutting spending than tax cuts, but mccain understands now he must do both.
[20:08] (DarthBurg) Mr. Conservative has been in congress how long and has cut how much Gov?
[20:08] (Kaliuna) FreeTrad3 at least he says that...
[20:08] * DarthBurg yawns
[20:08] * Swigert puts an "Obama 08" sign on DarthBurg's lawn - then runs for the hills
[20:09] * DarthBurg says "target practice"
[20:09] * Swigert puts a bulletproof Hillary 08 sign on DarthBurgs lawn
[20:09] (FreeTrad3) Supply siders are not old school conservatives even though I am one, we are neo republicans since reagan its a growing movement reagan cut taxes when they were sky high, Bush cut them when they were not near as high as when reagan cut them. So supply siders are percieved as conservatives who want tax cuts and try to grow the economy btu dont care much about spending cuts. McCains conservatism and SUpply side liberalism (ITs actually a liberal idea internai
[20:09] * DarthBurg uses explosives.
[20:10] * Swigert puts a John McCain statue on DarthBurg's lawn
[20:10] (Rocky2-) party politics and machines suck. But at least they're a type of trial by fire. If you couldn't get your party's support, you couldn't run. Now, anyone who can get public attention can bypass that and automatically becomes a power. pros and cons to that , too, i suppose
[20:10] (DarthBurg) yes, its funny, Liberal used to be a good thing, till we enshrined it in Gov
[20:11] (Swigert) why do I constantly have to refresh my self-confidence? All the signs say I'm doing awesome
[20:11] (Kaliuna) we need to put an end to the pork barrel spending -- period.
[20:12] (Kaliuna) swiggy -- you have become too obsessed by this...
[20:12] (DarthBurg) Kaliuna only one way to do that, and its not popular, so you can not get moderate or left wing support.
[20:12] (Swigert) kali: yes
[20:12] (Kaliuna) Darth -- I hear ya
[20:12] (Swigert) kali: it annoys me to no end
[20:13] (Rocky2-) kaliuna, it will only get worse. Watch candidates promise bigger rebate checks in the future. "Vote for me! you'll get 2000 dollars this year!"
[20:13] (FreeTrad3) Voted against some spending ? Probably more spending than most members of congress.. He is a strong fiscal conservative, hes not a heavy duty social conservative But then niether am I.. IM surprised hes so pro life.
[20:14] (e-Hernick) It's time to pay for the war by cutting $600 checks for everybody!@
[20:14] (Swigert) ehernick: dude, I get one! :)
[20:14] (FreeTrad3) ANyway the most important thing is McCain can prove experience and actual doing what Obama claims he will do..
[20:14] (Rocky2-) this country has bigger concerns than taxation and spending. We need to worry about authoritarian Judiciary and the imperial Presidency.
[20:15] (DarthBurg) FreeTrad3 yes, McCain has voted against SOME spending, even to the point of pissing off his own party, I LIKE that, but its not enough in and of itself. McCain is a senator, his solutions will be government solutions, bigger badder Government to fix it.
[20:15] (DarthBurg) mark my words.
[20:15] (Kaliuna) it all goes hand in hand...
[20:15] (FreeTrad3) Bi partisanship which the country wants ? Obama is far left and has never acted bi partisan. McCain did and got us two of the best supreme court justices we could hope for ...
[20:15] (FreeTrad3) The fact is they both beat bushs first choices.
[20:15] (e-Hernick) sure, but obama stands for CHANGE, and americans are demanding CHANGE
[20:15] (FreeTrad3) Harriet Myers vs Alito or Roberts ? The idea is almost emberrassing now.
[20:16] (Mykl) not all Americans want Obama's change
[20:16] (FreeTrad3) She may be a fine lawyer, but bush was trying to put a woman in and not a great jurist.
[20:16] (e-Hernick) Mykl: you only need half of those who vote
[20:16] (FreeTrad3) Now we have two great jurists new on the court.
[20:16] (pr0vost) mccain isn't electable. no one with his position on iraq can win in november...
[20:16] (Kaliuna) actually think she was just an interim name until he could really talk to others...
[20:16] (e-Hernick) and given turnout in american elections, that's not so many americans...
[20:16] (FreeTrad3) SO Obama can talk the talk, McCain can prove he walked the walk.
[20:16] (FreeTrad3) Bottom line.
[20:16] (pr0vost) it just isn't tenable, thankfully..he's a pro-iraq hawk, in a country that is overwhelmingly opposed to our continued stay there
[20:16] (FreeTrad3) Hes ahead right now in national polls.
[20:17] (Mykl) yep he is
[20:17] (FreeTrad3) McCain leads Obama by 2
[20:17] (FreeTrad3) and hillary by 5 or 6
[20:17] (Mykl) So the fact McCain leads means that not "everyone" dislikes what we are doing in Iraq
[20:17] (FreeTrad3) Hes been on within the margin of error ahead and behind and now ahead of Obama all along.
[20:17] (Rocky2-) if we're going to accept Judicial oversight over our legislation, then at least we should require that statutes can only be overturned by 2/3 court majorities. The idea that a 5-4 majority can stop Congress or that one judge can force a governor or state to do something is ludicrous
[20:17] (Mykl) just a few whiners
[20:17] (pr0vost) and?..he's able to focus on obama...they're currented embroiled in a bitter match to see who will face mccain...national polls, at this juncture, are irrelevant.
[20:17] (Pinkii) Mykl: Not everyone loves McCain like us Arizonans
[20:17] (pr0vost) the one national poll that should concern mccain is teh 80% of americans who want us out of iraq..
[20:17] (Threads) i dont think people like iraq
[20:18] (Mykl) Pinkii: I know but my point is he is not as hated as ppl think
[20:18] (oc80z) i love iraq Threads
[20:18] (FreeTrad3) suspect now over time he will move ahead of obama even some hillary voters will vote for him, not because he leftwing again but hes experiences.
[20:18] (oc80z) thats why i op in #Iraq
[20:18] (FreeTrad3) and Obama is a neophyte..
[20:18] (oc80z) (3 iraq
[20:18] (Threads) yeah i mean the iraq war
[20:18] (pr0vost) and bush's abysmal approval ratings..bush will go down in history as one of the worst presidents in this century, yet mccain is running as a followup to his administration.
[20:18] (FreeTrad3) its pathetic when someone runs for president who knows less about foreign policy than one of the head ops on #politics ;)
[20:18] (Threads) its like another vietnam
[20:18] (pr0vost) this country hates bush, and mccain doesn't seem to get that.
[20:18] (Mykl) FT: LOL
[20:18] (pr0vost) lol..he's a nutjob
[20:18] (FreeTrad3) hehe
[20:18] (Mykl) provost: yes he gets that
[20:19] (Mykl) that is why Bush is not out campaigning with him
[20:19] (pr0vost) we hate bush...passionately...mccain is tonedef to that fact
[20:19] (Kaliuna) pr0vost but they hate congress critters even more...
[20:19] (Mykl) yeah ppl hate Congress
[20:19] (pr0vost) they hate congress because they've done NOTHING to counter this deleterious presidency
[20:19] (Mykl) they do nothing
[20:19] (Rocky2-) provost, you may be right. But it will all depend on what happens in Iraq. If Iraq rises from the ashes to be an exemplary republic, and permanent peace follows in the Middle east, including with Israel, Bush will get the credit.
[20:19] (pr0vost) congress deserves the hate, too
[20:19] (Kaliuna) pr0vost -- no -- technically we do not...
[20:19] (FreeTrad3) My family is half black and noone wants obama in my family they cant stand him.. Because hes so vacous and runs likes hes a JFK or MLK.
[20:19] (pr0vost) congress is impotent..
[20:19] (DeDannan) nah...people hate "Congress"...but love their individual congress-dude/dudette
[20:20] (DeDannan) hence the 90%+ rate of incumbency
[20:20] (pr0vost) we hate congress because they haven't impeached that despicable son of a bitch
[20:20] (L1bertine) Obama ins't JFK.. he's carter
[20:20] (pr0vost) that's why congress is rightfully hated by us
[20:20] (Kaliuna) pr0vost -- Watch the language -- thank you
[20:20] (L1bertine) Carter was the 'washington outsider' ... like obama.
[20:20] (DarthBurg) ?
[20:20] (pr0vost) carter was a right winger..
[20:20] (pr0vost) obama isn't
[20:20] (L1bertine) pr0vost: im refering to the message he is selling.
[20:20] (DarthBurg) how is Obama an outsider? he is a senator...
[20:21] (Rocky2-) he sits in the outside hall
[20:21] (FreeTrad3) Yeah they hate the institution. But You have a centrist person who is very soft spoken except when he has a temper outburst and very cooperative vs an ideologue who hasnt been in the senate for what more than a year ? Since he ran for president ?
[20:21] (L1bertine) Darth: the image of obama is one of the common man. thats the snake oil being sold
[20:21] (FreeTrad3) Or was it he hasnt voted in a bout a year. I forget ;)
[20:21] (FreeTrad3) Anyway my popcorn is done, time to head out..
[20:21] (pr0vost) i don't want a centrist in the office. *shrug*...and, apparently, neither do the american people.
[20:21] (FreeTrad3) Oh yes they do
[20:21] (pr0vost) centrism gets us nowhere...we need a hard leftist
[20:21] (FreeTrad3) check any poll.
[20:21] (pr0vost) no, they don't
[20:21] (pr0vost) i am
[20:21] (DeDannan) I want a Moose in the White House!
[20:21] (FreeTrad3) they dont want the extremes
[20:22] (e-Hernick) hey, I have some premium concentrated essence of snake oil extract for sale, guaranteed to cure all your ills, increase your hummer's fuel efficiency, and make your bicycle's chain last 177% longer... any buyer?
[20:22] (Rocky2-) the Latinos aren't voting for Obama
[20:22] (redfish) webster rogerson
[20:22] (Mykl) Rocky: yup
[20:22] (pr0vost) latinos are voting for obama..he's tied fort he latino vote in texas...
[20:22] (pr0vost) brb
[20:22] (Pinkii) pr0vost: I'm a centrist...I would think the people would want a Centrist
[20:22] (FreeTrad3) AMericans have never liked extremes, they were very worried about Reagan first time but who else was there ? But when they found out Reagan wasnt an extremist they fell in love with him and he got the most votes perhaps of any elections since.
[20:23] (Mykl) Pinkii: me too
[20:23] (DarthBurg) the problem is, the middle is way off in the left hand lane...
[20:23] (FreeTrad3) Not perhaps, he has.
[20:23] (Mykl) Darth: they are so left the dropped off
[20:23] (FreeTrad3) I dont remember nixons landslide win, how it compared.
[20:23] (FreeTrad3) But obviously nixon went down hill fast.
[20:23] (Mykl) The problem with the left is they only see one sided...what will happen to them if McCain wins in a landslide lol
[20:23] (e-Hernick) what we need is son-of-nixon to run for president
[20:24] (FreeTrad3) Latinos have been voting Hillary, do you watch the news ? And they like McCain.
[20:24] (FreeTrad3) Hispanics got bush elected.
[20:24] (FreeTrad3) or he wouldnt have been.
[20:24] (Mykl) Latinos have a hardtime voting for Oba,a
[20:24] (Mykl) Obama
[20:24] (FreeTrad3) then our stupid party tried to drive them all off.. Arghh. We are our own worst enemy.
[20:24] (Mykl) they identify more with Clinton and McCain
[20:24] (DeDannan) Nixon got a larger percentage of popular vote than Reagan
[20:24] (FreeTrad3) Ok, I gotta go.
[20:24] (DeDannan) LBJ got more than both, however
[20:24] (L1bertine) e-hernick: another legacy president? serious?
[20:24] (Pinkii) Enjoy your popcorn FreeTrad
[20:24] (e-Hernick) popcorn
[20:25] (e-Hernick) I think I want some popcorn..
[20:25] (Kaliuna) am saving popcorn for tomorrow night...
[20:26] (Pinkii) I'm eating peeps for desert...I made steak and mashed potatoes for dinner
[20:26] (Mykl) heh
[20:28] (Kaliuna) hmm snack time?? almost
[20:28] (WCX) sup all
[20:28] (Pinkii) The yellow kind of peeps...I don't like any other colors
[20:28] (WCX) Any of you see that video of the marine throwing the puppy on digg.com, talk about mob-mentality
[20:28] (CometBaby) hi all .. this is funny. My friends son, is 14 and on the debate team. Whenever he is going to participate in a debate he comes to me for advice.
[20:28] (croz) GoGoGoGo~ OBAMA
[20:28] (croz) Obama in 08! GOGOGO
[20:28] (WCX) Can't believe every single post on digg is "I hope they get IED" and "I hope every american dies"
[20:28] (CometBaby) This week it is Capitalism vs Socialism so I had to put together some tips for him. hehe
[20:29] (CometBaby) His teacher is a leftist and would really love to see someone in the class be able to beat him in a debate .. but so far .. nobody has.
[20:29] (Kaliuna) Comet -- he goes to the right place!
[20:29] (WCX) People are posting this marine address (as well as his parents) and sending them death threats
[20:30] (croz) GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OBAMA!
[20:30] (croz) :)
[20:30] (CometBaby) He told me some kid, who is "like one of those goths" stood up in class and told him that he was going to challenge him to a debate about Iraq. And this kid was going to prove that Bush knew about the attacks long before 9/11.
[20:30] (WCX) I got to stop reading digg, I loose all faith in humanity when reading those comments
[20:30] (CometBaby) haha .. Stephen told him "Yeah I could tell you had that information by the tin foil hat you are wearing"
[20:31] (Mykl) ROFL
[20:31] (Kaliuna) lol
[20:31] (e-Hernick) there we go
[20:31] (IamKing) CometBaby: roflmao
[20:31] (e-Hernick) 6 minutes from decision time to a nice bowl of popcorn
[20:31] (Mykl) kids really dislike the goth/emo crowd
[20:31] (e-Hernick) bulk grains, kettle-cooked
[20:32] (croz) WCX what did u read
[20:32] (WCX) go to digg.com, look up the video of "US soldier throws puppy over cliff"
[20:32] (croz) my shits broke
[20:32] (croz) can u link me plz
[20:33] (WCX) Basically, US soldier, he throws a puppy over cliff, and laughs ...... video-quality is poor and you can't see if its alive, plus, the puppy "screams" don't decrease with distance.... so to me, it seems like a fake.... but the comments on that page are scarry
[20:33] (croz) linkkkk or its a lie
[20:33] (WCX) they found all his personal information, address, phone number, licence plate, where he went to high-school, etc and posted it on the internet
[20:33] (WCX) http://digg.com/people/US_Soldier_throws_puppy_off_cliff_%28video%29
[20:34] (WCX) its on the main page, I haven't seen anything hit 7000 diggs in a long time
[20:35] (WCX) http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/BREAKING01/80303059 official story
[20:36] (Pinkii) WCX: It looks fake...
[20:36] (WCX) Tho apparently it was just posted less than 24 hrs ago... so going to be a few days till we know if its real or not
[20:36] (croz) WCX this is dumb tho
[20:36] (croz) cuz normal citizens do this crap
[20:36] (Mykl) ya totally fake
[20:36] (WCX) Pinkii read the comments, they litterally found out this guys information, his girlfriend, and parents..... and there a bunch of comments of "I just left the guy a message, now he knows I am going to kill him"
[20:36] (croz) where is this
[20:36] (Pinkii) Though I wouldn't put it past people...I used to have a friend whos brother would bury cats with their heads sticking about ground and go over them with a lawn mower
[20:37] (e-Hernick) it's a FAAAAAAAAKE
[20:37] (croz) omg what a cute puppy
[20:37] (DoctorJ) Nice friends you have, Pinkii
[20:37] (WCX) Well I really don't care if its fake or not..... it could be real; what few diggers don't know is soldiers are ordered to kill dogs on sight
[20:37] (Pinkii) DoctorJ: not my friend...her brother
[20:37] (WCX) Sorry, but cute little animals spread diseases and kill cute little children
[20:37] (DoctorJ) Pinkii I'd run away screaming from the entire family if I were you.
[20:37] (WCX) but the hypocracy of "don't kill cute things" and how animals lifes are elevated towards human standards is .... shocking
[20:37] (Pinkii) WCX: Not all animals
[20:37] (croz) OMG
[20:38] (croz) THIS VIDEO IS HORRIBLE
[20:38] (croz) i hate you WCX
[20:38] (croz) why did you show me this
[20:38] (croz) fuck you man
[20:38] (Mykl) croz calm down
[20:38] (Mykl) It looks fake anyways
[20:38] (Pinkii) DoctorJ: well the father died and they moved...didn't have to deal with them anymore...that was like 5 years ago
[20:38] (redfish) pinkii von pinkenstein
[20:38] (croz) how does it look fake
[20:38] (WCX) The dog isn't moving, and if you notice... its "cries" don't damper as it gets further ...... so to me it seems fake. Still, soldiers are order to kill dogs anyway.
[20:39] (croz) dogs dont move when u hold them from their neck
[20:39] (WCX) well croz it also could allready be dead, US soldiers put out poison traps for cats and dogs
[20:39] (croz) neither do cats unless you hold them in the wrong position
[20:39] (e-Hernick) are soldiers ordered to throw puppies off cliffs?
[20:39] (Pinkii) WCX: It's true...holding the scruff causes temporary peralysis
[20:39] (Glock21) Vid didn't look very real... visual/sound both.
[20:39] ([d|c]) hannity and rush will find someone way to defend the asshole
[20:39] (WCX) PETA tried to create a campaign against the US army when we first invaded because there are a bunch of pictures of soldiers shooting dogs...... but most sensible people understand it is necessary
[20:39] (Glock21) If it was, these guys are just cruel assholes.
[20:40] ([d|c]) there are other videos of soldiers blowing up dogs, etc
[20:40] (WCX) What so wrong about blowing up dogs?
[20:40] (croz) WCX how is shooting a dog necessary
[20:40] ([d|c]) doing it for entertainment?
[20:40] (Pinkii) WCX: They were only killing street gods...which are vicious
[20:40] (WCX) I don't think you should "enjoy it", but honestly.... it is their job
[20:40] (Pinkii) *dogs
[20:40] (WCX) croz they spread disease
[20:40] (croz) oh fuck that
[20:40] (Webster) Killing street gods?
[20:40] (Glock21) WCX... killing things out of sadism is pretty screwed up.
[20:40] (Webster) How nervy!
[20:40] (croz) they didnt have rabies
[20:41] (WCX) When Katrina happen, a lot of animals in zoos were killed. Infact, every zoo has someone assigned to kill all big-predators incase they can't be evaculated. It is logical.... you don't want feral animals running around
[20:41] (Glock21) Putting a dog down because it's diseased and could hurt you or others is a whole different ballgame.
[20:41] (Pinkii) croz: Honestly you don't know what they had or did
[20:41] (WCX) Glock21 it is screwed up, but does it warrent the soldiers death? As all diggers are "wishing" for
[20:41] (Glock21) WCX... prosecution perhaps. Execution? Of course not.
[20:41] (Glock21) It's an emotional subject though.
[20:41] (Glock21) *shrug*
[20:42] ([d|c]) i wouldn't feel any remorse if he was killed in battle but execution? no
[20:42] (Pinkii) WCX: Well it's rather heartless to post such a video without concern
[20:42] (WCX) My friend who worked for D.C. zoo said they had a handgun in the zoo to shoot the animals incase anything happen. He thought that was interestting since handguns are pritty much banned
[20:42] (Glock21) The video was intented to shock and disturb... it worked.
[20:42] (WCX) Glock21 read the posts on digg, its digusting
[20:43] (Pinkii) WCX: There are several people in this world who only have animals to love...they are as good as children to some....so to see that could easily make someone want to kill you
[20:43] (WCX) They got all his personal information, his parents, and his gf ..... its vigilante justice. What good can come out of postiing someone address, phone number, etc?
[20:43] (e-Hernick) WCX: if the guy is indeed throwing live puppies off cliffs...
[20:43] (e-Hernick) I can't say he isn't asking for some vigilante justice
[20:43] (WCX) Well in my view, this mob-mentality is puting this soldier's family at risk and should be stopped
[20:43] ([d|c]) not only that, the puppy's paws were tied up
[20:43] ([d|c]) double douchebaggery
[20:43] (Pinkii) WCX: He brought it on himself
[20:44] (Glock21) WCX... while I don't think he's "asking for some vigilante justice" this vid begs for outrage.
[20:44] (croz) WCX = Michael Vick on irc
[20:44] (Mykl) croz lol
[20:44] (WCX) Pinkii, if anything happens to him or his familiy, then the people posting his address and phonenumber will be accountable
[20:44] (Pinkii) If someone threw my cat off a cliff I'd push them of next
[20:45] (WCX) Glock21 the video also begs for confirmation.... nobody knows if its real or not
[20:45] (WCX) Pinkii its a cat, not a person
[20:45] (Mykl) even if it is fake..not exactly funny
[20:45] (Glock21) Pinkii... a bit late at that point.
[20:45] (Pinkii) WCX: As I said...to some it's all they've got
[20:45] (WCX) This is what I don't get, what makes a "cute animal" different than that cow you just consumed at McDs
[20:45] (croz) Cuz I ate it
[20:45] (croz) i didnt kill it for fun
[20:46] (e-Hernick) WCX: did they eat the dog?
[20:46] (davtek) yrs ago..when cable tv was new and exciting...and everyone loved the cable guy...
[20:46] (Pinkii) Glock21: They would deserve it...to take something I love away from me....I'll take their life away the same
[20:46] (WCX) e-Hernick if they are in Iraq, they likely are ordered to kill all the animals anyway
[20:46] ([d|c]) cows are bred for food. bounding a puppy and throwing it off a cliff to show off for a camera, fuck you asshole
[20:46] (davtek) we were installing cable lines in an apt bldg
[20:46] (davtek) on like the 11th flr...
[20:46] (e-Hernick) ordered to kill all animals?
[20:46] (e-Hernick) that sounds pretty bad..
[20:46] (WCX) Shooting it would be more humane, and I think they deserver some punishment if its real, but nothing like death
[20:46] (davtek) we had to access each apt to term the drops...
[20:47] (davtek) in one apt...there was this cat
[20:47] (Pinkii) WCX: You are taking it out of context...they were only killing rabid street dogs
[20:47] (WCX) e-Hernick, its common knowledge that the US army killed tens of thousands of dogs when we first invaded
[20:47] ([d|c]) i don't think anyone is calling for his death as far as to be put on trial and executed, the diggers are just saying they wouldn't care if he was killed in battle
[20:47] ([d|c]) and i agree
[20:47] (e-Hernick) WCX: wild dogs ?
[20:47] (davtek) walking along the railing of the balcony
[20:47] (WCX) They simply need to be killed, they spread diesease; the US army going to value Iraqi citizens over little cute dogs
[20:47] (e-Hernick) and pet dogs?
[20:47] (Glock21) Pinkii... might be more useful to push them off the cliff before they kill your pet.
[20:47] (redfish) ferral!
[20:47] (Pinkii) Glock21: LOL...well then I'd get in trouble
[20:47] (davtek) one of the guys did a 'boo!' thingy and the cat freaked, fell
[20:47] (davtek) killed it
[20:48] (davtek) but...it did land on its feet
[20:48] (Glock21) Pinkii... you'd get in trouble either way. At least that cat lives that way.
[20:48] (WCX) D|C the diggers are posting his address, harrasing him and his gf, and wishing death on his family
[20:48] (Pinkii) Glock21: Actually I've seen a couple cases where the owner got off
[20:48] ([d|c]) WCX: it's being ignored by the mainstream media, they are making sure it gets out
[20:48] ([d|c]) and didn't see any comments wishing death on his family, just letting everyone know what kind of person he was
[20:49] (davtek) he ended up payin 500 bucks for that stupid cat
[20:49] (WCX) DC mainstream media often does a little fact-checking before condeming someone without evidence
[20:49] (croz) wcx doesnt like animals
[20:49] (WCX) DC how about "I hope all Americans die... Americunts!"
[20:49] (Pinkii) davetek: Did it belong to someone?
[20:49] (WCX) or wait, this is a keeper "Someone should IED his a-hole"
[20:49] (davtek) yea...the resident
[20:49] (davtek) of that apt
[20:50] (davtek) on the 11th floor
[20:50] (Pinkii) davtek: I woulda gotten alot more from him..
[20:50] ([d|c]) he's better off dead. if he has the character to kill an innocent animal for fun and to show off, he offers nothing to society
[20:50] (davtek) thats my point
[20:50] (WCX) The fact is, its an animal .... if this was real... I would say a max of 1-2 year in prison would be ideal. If he has no criminal background, I would put hijm on parole
[20:50] (davtek) its a freaking cat
[20:50] (davtek) at what price?
[20:50] (WCX) DC so if he killed the animal without laughing, this won't be an issue?
[20:50] (yowz|) 1-2 years?
[20:50] (davtek) you put a cat's life on the same scale as a human
[20:51] (davtek) shame on u
[20:51] (Pinkii) Its a freaking cat...but for my cat alone I've spent over $400 in the last 2 years...not to mention the price I paid to even get her
[20:51] (debauched) LOS ANGELES (AP) - Steve-O of "Jackass" fame was arrested for investigation of vandalism and possession of a controlled substance at his Hollywood home. http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080304/D8V6BGN00.html
[20:51] ([d|c]) WCX: to me it would be. if he was ordered to shoot it. the fact is they video taped it, bound it's paws and threw it off a cliff for fun
[20:51] (WCX) DC seriously, should all the soldiers, who are ordered to kill animals, be put in prison? or just the ones who laugh about it
[20:51] (davtek) again...shame on u
[20:51] (Pinkii) davtek: and to some animals are their children
[20:51] (davtek) money is better spent
[20:51] (davtek) cats are disposable pets..
[20:51] (davtek) thats why they are so common
[20:51] (Webster) If an animal is your child, you're a little bent
[20:51] (Pinkii) davtek: So are people
[20:51] (croz) i have a cat u prick
[20:52] (davtek) according to u
[20:52] (WCX) DC get real, how would you blaim someone for being ordered to kill something... which is a threat to another person's life?
[20:52] (debauched) catsare beautiful
[20:52] (croz) blame*
[20:52] (WCX) I got a cat, and 3 dogs... and I would shoot all of them if it was a health concern
[20:52] (WCX) and 2 parrots
[20:52] (Pinkii) debauched: My cat is my baby right now...I love her with all of my heart
[20:52] (redfish) cats are erotic
[20:52] (croz) wcx inside or outside
[20:52] ([d|c]) but would you throw them off a cliff, video tape it, laugh and upload it on the net?
[20:52] (WCX) inside
[20:52] (davtek) and they taste good too
[20:52] (Mykl) redfish kinky
[20:52] (redfish) wcx do the parrots make a lot of noise
[20:52] (Webster) redfish, you're preverted
[20:52] (WCX) I won't allow my animals outside
[20:52] (croz) asshole
[20:52] (WCX) redfish, my house is big.... so they aren't bad
[20:53] (WCX) but they do bark =p which they pick up from the dogs
[20:53] (e-Hernick) indians use to hunt buffalo by running the herd of a cliff
[20:53] (e-Hernick) and they wasted tons, they couldn't eat everything
[20:53] (e-Hernick) so lots of it spoiled, it was huge waste
[20:53] (redfish) wcx they dont meow?
[20:53] (WCX) my cat doesn't meow
[20:53] (redfish) or mew
[20:53] (WCX) plus, my cat stays upstairs
[20:54] (croz) wcx how big is ur house
[20:54] (croz) pic or its a lie
[20:54] (yowz|) cats are stinky, shedding, allergy causing pieces of shit
[20:54] (croz) id ban u
[20:54] (croz) if i could
[20:54] (WCX) I actually have allergies, so I got to keep the animals clean
[20:54] (Pinkii) I have a big house too...and unfortunately I only have one cat...I wish I could get her a friend...she's so lonely
[20:54] (redfish) yowz hairless cats dont shed
[20:54] (WCX) dogs don't bother me.... the cat is the problem, so I doubt I will ever get another cat (tho I like it)
[20:55] (yowz|) hairless cats? you singe them with a torch or something?
[20:55] (WCX) this thing is a bermin ...... not suppose to shed much but it does
[20:55] (Pinkii) I have one of the best behaved cats ever
[20:55] (Mykl) lol
[20:55] (Webster) yowz, that is the easiest way
[20:55] (Webster) Plucking them . . . they make an awful lot of noise
[20:55] (redfish) yowz no there are some breeds of cats that are hairless
[20:55] (Pinkii) yowz: Mr Bigglesworth comes to mind
[20:55] (Glock21) plucking them... heh
[20:55] (Webster) redfish lies.
[20:55] (Pinkii) The hairless cat is called the Sphynx
[20:55] (Mykl) redfish they are ugly lol
[20:56] (WCX) They are but ugly
[20:56] (Webster) You have to singe the hair off them or pluck them.
[20:56] (Mykl) ya
[20:56] (Webster) They aren't born that way.
[20:56] (yowz|) there's a rule in south dakota...if you see a cat more than a 1/4 from a farm house, you shoot it...it's out eating baby ducks/geese/pheasants
[20:56] (Webster) You can shave them too, but that leaves nubs
[20:56] (Pinkii) Webster: Sphynx's are born that way
[20:56] (Webster) Plus they don't cooperate with it.
[20:56] (Webster) Pinkii, lies!
[20:56] (yowz|) can you wax a cat?
[20:56] (WCX) my cat is bigger than 2 of my dogs
[20:56] (Webster) yowz, no, no wax
[20:56] (Pinkii) yowz: No
[20:56] (Webster) Hmmm
[20:56] (Glock21) yowz... girls wax their kitty all the time.
[20:56] (Webster) Maybe wax would work
[20:56] (WCX) Yea... I got the purse dog things... small little buggers, always afraid of stepping on them
[20:56] (Glock21) I saw it on the internet.
[20:56] (yowz|) glock lolololol
[20:57] (e-Hernick) there are some animals you can boil alive.. like lobsters.. but if a US soldier was shown in a video boiliing a puppy alive and laughing it off, wouldn't you expect the digg crowd to call for vigilante justice?
[20:57] (WCX) 2 are maltese (sp)
[20:57] (Pinkii) Glock21: But ours have thicker skin
[20:57] (Mykl) this whole cat convo reminded me a funny link a co-worker sent me... http://www.geekologie.com/2008/01/proof_of_the_coming_apocalypse.php
[20:57] (WCX) one is a lapsa opsa (again, no clue how to spell it)
[20:57] (yowz|) how's that one song go....it ain't pork or chicken but a fat siamese?
[20:57] (Pinkii) Mykl: Those are cute
[20:58] (Mykl) lol ya
[20:58] (WCX) I wish I had a real dog =p
[20:58] (WCX) tho I am pritty sure it would eat the other 3
[20:58] (Pinkii) yowz: Cat in the Cradle
[20:58] (yowz|) yup
[20:58] (Webster) Cat wigs aren't cute, they're abusive!
[20:58] (Mykl) heheheeh
[20:58] (WCX) I use to have a pet chicken
[20:58] (debauched) cats, dogs and horses cant be allowed to run wild. Both my cats are only safe in the house, because they are not afraid of people and dogs
[20:58] (WCX) chickens are really smart
[20:59] (Webster) debauched, do you keep your horses in the house too?
[20:59] (DarthBurg) also, good in a stew
[20:59] (debauched) I doubt they would understand what an approaching car is
[20:59] (WCX) Horse does taste good
[20:59] (Webster) WCX, how the hell do they end up battered and in buckets if they're so damn smart?
[20:59] (WCX) too bad you can't find it in the USA
[20:59] (yowz|) cat owners say no....but i can tell the 2nd i walk in somebody's house if they got a cat...freakin litter boxes stink
[20:59] (WCX) Webster my chicken recognized me... and would eat from my hand... and would follow me around the yard
[20:59] (debauched) Horsesshould be kept in corrals, or stables
[20:59] (Pinkii) http://www.guzer.com/animations/chowmein.php
[21:00] (yowz|) WCX, well, did you broil, fry, or bbq him?
[21:00] (Webster) WCX, he's a chicken. He'd eat from anyone's hand and follow 'em around the yard. IMPRINTING.
[21:00] (WCX) yowz that why I keep the cat upstairs in one of the guest bedrooms
[21:00] (Webster) And still, he ended up dinner.
[21:00] (Pinkii) yowz: Not at my house
[21:00] (WCX) he stinks up the entire room after it takes a shit
[21:00] (WCX) yowz bbq
[21:00] (yowz|) cats STINK
[21:00] (Pinkii) My cat doesn't stink
[21:00] (yowz|) their urine STINKS
[21:00] (Webster) I've never had a smelly cat
[21:00] (yowz|) you're used to it
[21:01] (Pinkii) My cat uses the potty
[21:01] (WCX) My cat attacks the dogs
[21:01] (WCX) It really is sad
[21:01] (yowz|) your cat uses the same john you do?
[21:01] (WCX) Tho one good thing about my cat.... it actually likes taking baths
[21:01] (Pinkii) yowz: Well she uses the one downstairs...
[21:01] (Pinkii) WCX: Mine too
[21:01] (WCX) so cleaning it isn't hard, so allergies aren't a problem
[21:01] (WCX) Then again, I gave it a bath every week as a kitten
[21:02] (Webster) I use the dishwasher for my cat
[21:02] (Pinkii) Me too
[21:02] (Mykl) lol webster
[21:02] (yowz|) dry them in the microwave?
[21:02] (Webster) Pinkii, you too? Cool
[21:02] (Webster) Pinki, what kind of detergent do you use on your cat?
[21:02] (WCX) webster, I have a friend who cleans his guns using a dishwasher =p
[21:02] (yowz|) set it to "defrost"
[21:02] (Webster) I just use the same Palmolive with baking soda that I use for the dishes
[21:02] (Pinkii) I brush her teeth every other morning...and clip her nails twice a week
[21:02] (Glock21) wcx... that doesn't even make sense.
[21:02] (Webster) yowz, that's stupid
[21:02] (Webster) The dishwasher has a dry cycle, knucklehead
[21:03] (Pinkii) She even wears clothes etc.
[21:03] (WCX) glock21, he takes them apart, seperates any small springs.... and loads them in the dishwasher
[21:03] (Pinkii) My cat is the best
[21:03] (yowz|) pinkii, let me guess, you share toothbrushes
[21:03] (WCX) pinkii that is tortue ... .don't do that to an animal
[21:03] (Pinkii) yowz: No way! my bristles would be too hard for her
[21:03] (WCX) please don't tell me your painting its nail
[21:03] (Pinkii) WCX: She loves it...
[21:03] (Glock21) wcx... unless he uses solvent for "dish soap" it still doesn't make any damn sense.
[21:03] (WCX) Glock21 I told him the same thing, but his guns still work =p so whatever
[21:04] (Pinkii) WCX: She acts up if she doesn't have a dress or something on
[21:04] (Glock21) wcx... he's still a retard.
[21:04] (yowz|) tampons soaked in wd-40 work good for pulling thru the barrel of a 12 ga.
[21:04] (Glock21) Fucker's lucky he hasn't had a Kb.
[21:04] (WCX) kb?
[21:04] (Glock21) KaBOOOOOM
[21:05] (Glock21) When the gun blasts apart in your hand.
[21:05] (croz) WCX i will slap you
[21:05] (Pinkii) http://a774.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/30/l_cd5f0fb5efccf42e873fe23c11dc7f7d.jpg
[21:05] (croz) if i ever see u near my cat
[21:05] (WCX) when he goes to the range, he often shoots a dozen guns... he puts the barrels in the dishwasher, I don't think there is much of a threat as long as all small parts are removed and plastic casing
[21:05] (Glock21) A definite "shit yourself" moment.
[21:05] (WCX) croz why?
[21:05] (croz) that soldier
[21:05] (croz) deserves to have his
[21:05] (croz) knees broken in
[21:06] (croz) PLUS 2 years prison
[21:06] (WCX) glock21 its metal ... guns can take a lot of abuse, its not like he is putting loaded guns inside a washing machine
[21:06] (WCX) croz the soldier, at max, deserves to be fired and possibly 1-2 years in prison
[21:06] (Glock21) WCX... it's not that the guns will get hurt... it's that a dishwasher doesn't clean them properly.
[21:06] (croz) WCX
[21:06] (croz) at maximum, death.
[21:06] (WCX) His crime is not killing the animal in a more humane way... and laughing at it
[21:06] (Glock21) You need solvent and hard bristle brushes to break up the fouling in the barrel.
[21:06] (croz) why did it have to be killed in the first place?
[21:07] (yowz|) his crime was he didn't have a better film production crew
[21:07] (WCX) croz do you not understand...... soldiers in Iraq are ORDERED to kill them
[21:07] (croz) SAYS WHO
[21:07] (Pinkii) Lets drop this subject....it's making me cuddle my cat tight
[21:07] (croz) i want proof
[21:07] (croz) u come across a random dog, KILL IT?
[21:07] (WCX) Animals are a huge health risk to Iraqi civilians, spreading disease
[21:07] (croz) a PUPPY? kill it?
[21:07] (Mykl) ok new subject...Hillary's latest fashions
[21:07] (croz) WCX i want a reputable source telling me this
[21:07] (Mykl) lol
[21:07] (Pinkii) croz: They are....but ONLY rabid street dogs...
[21:07] (WCX) croz go to PETA, they got videos of soldiers killing hundreads of dogs ...... they were doing it because they were ordered to
[21:08] (croz) im not gonna take a random irc character telling me this
[21:08] (Pinkii) It is not shoot on sight
[21:08] (croz) WCX link me the ORDER
[21:08] (yowz|) gees, i wish twobar would jump on channel about now
[21:08] (Mykl) why yowz
[21:08] (WCX) Croz you can find that yourself, its on PETA website.... and nobody disputes it. It simply is a health concern
[21:08] (Glock21) WCX... if you can't see the difference between putting a stray dog down humanely because it may pose a health risk versus laughing as you brutally chuck one off a fucking cliff, you need help.
[21:08] (croz) link or its a lie u bastid
[21:09] (WCX) If you taken any history class, you know about all the diseases that wiped out people... carried by animals
[21:09] (Webster) animals?
[21:09] (Webster) rats
[21:09] (Pinkii) WCX: Yes...rats..mosquitos...RARELY dogs
[21:09] (croz) WCX
[21:09] (croz) i will murder u
[21:09] (Webster) Ah, yes, the canine-borne plagues of the Middle Ages
[21:09] (WCX) Glock21 I see the difference, but the result for the dog would be the same
[21:09] (croz) and make my cat eat u
[21:10] (croz) WCX ur like a wierd hybrid
[21:10] (WCX) I thing the soldier should have done it with a gun..... but laughing at it seems irrelavent (tho disturbing)
[21:10] (croz) its like ur spewing bullshit out of ur mouth and eating it again afterwards
[21:10] (Webster) Christ, stop spelling like Prince
[21:10] (Pinkii) When I was a little girl I figured I would be the old lonely cat lady with like 50 cats...and when I died they would eat my body
[21:10] (Webster) Pinkii, awwww... that's touching
[21:10] (Glock21) ...
[21:10] (Mykl) lol
[21:10] (WCX) If you watch WW2 videos, you will see our soldiers laughing as Japanese are burning and running around. Laughing and makiing jokes about rape, murder, death, etc is often a result of PDSD
[21:11] (croz) PTSD
[21:11] (croz) ?
[21:11] (WCX) yes PTSD
[21:11] (croz) WCX you're very psychotic.
[21:11] (Glock21) ...
[21:11] (WCX) No I am realistic
[21:11] (croz) i could see u being one of them
[21:11] (Pinkii) Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
[21:11] (davtek) wcx..your an ass...do you know the difference between murder and killing?
[21:11] (WCX) And I never will equate "cute thing" life with a human life
[21:11] (WCX) dactek murder is killing without reason
[21:11] (Webster) You can't murder a dog
[21:11] (davtek) the exact defination
[21:11] (yowz|) this shit is freakin me out
[21:12] (WCX) davtek there are a million defintions
[21:12] (davtek) no...the legal standing..and how it became law?
[21:12] (Webster) yowz, you shouldn't have taken the amphetamines
[21:12] (CometBaby) WCX you are using a very poor example. Are you familiar with what the Japanese did in China?
[21:12] (davtek) whats the diff.?
[21:12] (CometBaby) educate yourself
[21:12] (WCX) And yes, legally, you can't murder a dog
[21:12] (davtek) i just have to hear this
[21:12] (WCX) CometBaby, yes they raped 200,000 women in a couple of weeks
[21:12] (Pinkii) WCX: No but you CAN get life for animal abuse
[21:12] (croz) Thank you CometBaby!
[21:12] (WCX) so did the Russians
[21:12] (croz) WCX you need help.
[21:12] (croz) I love you.
[21:12] (CometBaby) WCX .. so don't make such comparisons
[21:12] (yowz|) comet, hear of general stilwell?
[21:13] (davtek) its like early law based...
[21:13] (croz) i'm honestly afraid you rape your pets.
[21:13] (davtek) the 10 commandments arguement
[21:13] (WCX) CometBaby the fact is, those soldiers probably weren't much different then our own
[21:13] (davtek) thou shall not commit murder
[21:13] (davtek) why?
[21:13] (WCX) They were fighting for their country.... both sides equally patriotic.... both sides had zero respect for the other
[21:13] (croz) honour the Sabbath day and keep it holy
[21:13] (davtek) donest say..thou shall not kill
[21:13] (croz) whatever happened to that one
[21:13] (CometBaby) yowz vaguely
[21:14] (yowz|) vinegar joe, 4 star....was in china during ww2...chinese loved him....he's my son in law's great grandfather
[21:14] (CometBaby) wow
[21:14] (Pinkii) croz: It's a Judaism tradition
[21:14] (davtek) anywho...it all comes down to tax...'the killing of a citizen was ruled...a crime against the state cus...it dimished the states ability to draw a tax...
[21:14] (IamKing) CometBaby has a boot fetish! :P lol
[21:14] (Mykl) heheeheh
[21:14] (davtek) hence the requirement of state to protect the populas
[21:15] (yowz|) i always wondered if his military pedigree helped him fly f-15's...grandpa retired full bird colonel, dad a major
[21:15] (CometBaby) lol
[21:15] (IamKing) CB is just kinky that way ;)
[21:15] (CometBaby) kinky kicks
[21:15] * davtek wasnt allowed outside the US unless missioned
[21:15] (IamKing) heheheh
[21:15] (davtek) stupid crypto clearence
[21:16] (croz) Pinkii
[21:16] (davtek) i'm watching the daily show
[21:16] (davtek) wif hillary on
[21:16] (croz) Sabbath a Judaic tradition?
[21:16] (yowz|) my son in law was flying when those 2 planes collided 3 wks ago in the gulf, he was about 80-100 miles away
[21:16] (croz) I could have sworn the word of God was infallible and unchanging.
[21:16] (Pinkii) croz: Yes
[21:17] (davtek) and it looks like shes got some super delegates stuffed up inside her cheeks
[21:17] (croz) Sooooo why do most Christian denominations worship on Sunday?
[21:17] (Pinkii) croz: The 10 commandments were developed way before Christianity
[21:17] (croz) Pinkii whats your point?
[21:17] (Pinkii) The Sabbath is Saturday
[21:17] (croz) Yes.... so whats your point
[21:18] (Pinkii) croz: Christians worship on Sunday because on the 7th day God rested
[21:18] (croz) u nincumpoop
[21:18] (_3Josephs) Pinkii, wrong, try again
[21:18] (croz) ur wrong
[21:18] (croz) Saturday is the 7th day u nut
[21:18] (croz) Seeing as how Emperor Constantine changed it from Saturday to Sunday to get jews to work
[21:18] (Pinkii) croz: It is in the new calenders
[21:18] (croz) MADE BY WHO
[21:18] (croz) the romans?
[21:18] (_3Josephs) Pinkii, most Christians acknowledge that the Sabbath is in fact Saturday
[21:18] (croz) why is it in many languages, SATURDAY is explicitly the sabbath
[21:19] (croz) ie. Sabado
[21:19] (yowz|) hey, how do we know they kept good records back then? we might be 4-5 days off by now
[21:19] (croz) pinkii ur letting me down
[21:19] (croz) i used to think u were smart
[21:19] (croz) :[
[21:19] (Pinkii) 3Josephs: they teach that Saturday is the Sabbath...but do not celebrate on Saturday
[21:19] (yowz|) it's friday in my world, have a good weekend!
[21:19] (davtek) hence the celebration of 'christmas in july sales
[21:19] (debauched) I still want to scope Chelsea's ass in tight jeans
[21:19] (croz) For it took 6 days to create the Earth and all in it, and on the 7th day He rested.
[21:19] (Mykl) lol
[21:19] (_3Josephs) Pinkii, that's because Christians aren't Jewish
[21:19] (croz) im just saying
[21:19] (croz) lets not talk about religion
[21:19] (Pinkii) 3Josephs: I said that earlier
[21:19] (croz) cuz christianity is so fucked up
[21:20] (yowz|) debauched, why? it'll just look like her mama's in 10 yrs
[21:20] (ChgeZombi) omg...u made someone laugh
[21:20] (ChgeZombi) one point for u
[21:20] (croz) people believe that you goto heaven or hell right after dying
[21:20] (croz) WHERE do they get this idea from?
[21:20] (croz) HAS ANY CHRISTIAN THAT BELIEVES THAT READ 1 THES 4:16?
[21:20] (davtek) ty unfunny zombi person
[21:20] (Mykl) heh
[21:20] (croz) "... the dead in Christ shall rise first, then those who are alive and remain will be caught up with Him in the clouds."
[21:21] (croz) if we goto heaven or hell upon death, THAT VERSE WOULD BE FUNNY!
[21:21] (croz) cuz itd be so off
[21:21] (croz) man I'm a Muslim and know this stuff
[21:21] * croz educates pinkii.
[21:21] (Rocky2-) know what stuff?
[21:21] (Pinkii) croz: No need to educate me...I'm quite well versed
[21:21] (croz) yo momma sucka!
[21:21] (croz) pinkii obviously not
[21:22] (croz) u think the Sabbath is something for jews
[21:22] (croz) even though Christians are commanded to obey the 10 commandments
[21:22] (Pinkii) croz: Even 3Joseph agreed!
[21:22] (croz) in what?
[21:22] (Pinkii) The Sabbath is a Jewish Tradition
[21:22] (e-Hernick) christianism, judaism and muslamism, all lies, total and complete lies
[21:22] (LydiaManx) yes
[21:22] (croz) so the old testament is irrelevant to a good Christian like you huh?
[21:22] (croz) lol
[21:22] (debauched) I dont understand predestination. Like why not live a llife of debauchery? your Last Judgement is predestined
[21:22] (Rocky2-) who denies that the Sabbath is a jewish tradition?
[21:22] (Pinkii) croz: I am not a Christian
[21:22] (croz) Jesus said, "... did not come to cancel out that before Him or to change it, but to add to it."
[21:22] * davtek doenst even flip light switches on the sabbath
[21:23] (davtek) cus its evil
[21:23] (debauched) these errors and damnable heresies
[21:23] (Rocky2-) what do jewish cigarette smokers do?
[21:23] (Harsen) SANTA CRUZ, Bolivia — South America was on the brink of war yesterday as Venezuela and Ecuador amassed troops on the Colombian border in response to the killing of a Marxist rebel leader.
[21:23] (Harsen) Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez threatened to join the rebels in a war to overthrow hard-line Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, a key ally of the United States, deploying tanks, fighter jets and thousands of troops along the Colombian border.
[21:23] (Harsen) Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa also ordered troops to the border, expelled Colombia's ambassador and recalled its ambassador to Bogota, but left its embassy open. Venezuela closed its embassy in Colombia and ordered all diplomats home.
[21:23] (Rocky2-) Chavez is nuts
[21:23] (Harsen) Venezuela threatened to declare war on neighbouring Colombia last night, raising the prospect of the U.S. being drawn into conflict in South America.
[21:23] (Harsen) Venezuela's Left-wing president Hugo Chavez ordered ten tank battalions to the Colombian border and put war-planes under emergency stand-by.
[21:24] (Rocky2-) Colombia should take him out NOW, while they still got the muscle
[21:24] (debauched) 10 battalions aint shit
[21:24] (davtek) wag the dog media
[21:24] (Harsen) if Venezeula and Ecuador attack Colombia
[21:24] (davtek) i swear
[21:24] (Harsen) Chile and Argentina should attack Venzeula
[21:25] (Rocky2-) who should the Falklands attack?
[21:25] (croz) pinkii whenever u want to be learned soem religion let me know
[21:25] (croz) ;D
[21:25] (croz) jk bro
[21:25] (croz) to each his own
[21:25] (croz) anyways good night guys, i got crap to do in the morning
[21:25] (croz) Salam my friends.
[21:25] (davtek) malikem salam
[21:25] (Rocky2-) shalom
[21:25] (davtek) btw...we nuking slims yet?
[21:26] (Rocky2-) so what do Jewish cigarette addicts do on the SAbbath? carry lit candles around?
[21:26] (Rocky2-) ask people for lights?
[21:26] (debauched) The King of Spain told Chavez to shut up hahaha His Majesty rules
[21:26] (LydiaManx) hukkah?
[21:27] (croz) malikem salam?
[21:27] (croz) whats that
[21:27] (croz) Rocky are you a jew?
[21:27] (debauched) they draw lots to pick the person who carries the lighter on Sabbath
[21:27] (CometBaby) debauched maybe chavez will send his tanks to spain too :)
[21:27] (Rocky2-) croz, what's it to ya?
[21:27] (debauched) heh
[21:27] (croz) If you are I have to kill you
[21:28] (croz) obviously
[21:28] (Rocky2-) mais oui
[21:28] (croz) JIHAAAAAAD
[21:28] (croz) im jk bro
[21:28] (croz) i love Jews
[21:28] (croz) I respect the Sabbath day
[21:28] (Rocky2-) great to hear. Not jewish though
[21:28] (Mykl) rofl
[21:28] (davtek) omg...what we are seeing in hillary is a desperate housewife...hitting the wall.
[21:28] (CometBaby) hahaha
[21:28] (davtek) i swear
[21:29] ([d|c]) please don't let hillary win tomorrow and have the media think she made some huge comeback
[21:29] (Kaliuna) dav -- lol --
[21:29] (ChgeZombi) omg..u made cometbaby laugh...that freaking 20 'lol' points
[21:29] (ChgeZombi) u bastad
[21:29] (_Forbin) rush wants her to win
[21:29] (_Forbin) rofl
[21:29] ([d|c]) because she'll be easy to beat
[21:29] (Mykl) ya let herwin
[21:29] (CometBaby) lol
[21:29] (Mykl) Zombi: what the hell are you talking about?
[21:30] (Mykl) Go Hillary!
[21:30] (Mykl) heh
[21:30] (Harsen) Russia signalled on Monday it was set to continue its hardline approach to opposition and the west under Dmitry Medvedev, its new president, as it cut gas supplies to Ukraine and police detained demonstrators in Moscow.
[21:30] (Kaliuna) Forbin -- only to keep the dems all in lalalala angst/anger land...
[21:30] (Harsen) The moves came just hours after Mr Medvedev, who took 70.2 per cent of the vote in Sunday’s election, said he would take charge of Russian foreign policy after his May 7 inauguration, but pledged to continue the course of his mentor, President Vladimir Putin.
[21:30] (Rocky2-) Hillary called Medvedev "Medvedevova whatever"
[21:30] (_Forbin) You know whats going to happen when she gives her speech about leaving the presidential race.....picture the scene....the wizard of oz.....water thrown on her...
[21:30] (_Forbin) Im melllltiiiiing.....what a world what a worrrrld
[21:30] (_Forbin) :)0
[21:31] (_Forbin) Im serious....she will melt
[21:31] (_Forbin) aagh
[21:31] (Rocky2-) the SNL skit was cute
[21:31] (CometBaby) Forbin naw .. she will sue for those forbidden delegate votes
[21:31] (CometBaby) she won't go away
[21:31] (_Forbin) aagh
[21:31] (Kaliuna) nope she won't... and its splitting the party more and more and more
[21:32] (Mykl) Kali: which is fun to watch
[21:32] (CometBaby) if she loses this election she wil turn into a career politician. She will grow fat, have straight hair, no makefup and a big mouth .. just like all the rest of the feminazis.
[21:32] (CometBaby) scary
[21:32] (yowz|) there's a reason why limbaugh is rooting for both of them, he doesn't want it over yet
[21:32] (Kaliuna) lol comet
[21:32] * ChgeZombi shutters
[21:32] (CometBaby) She will live in NY and Bill will move to Ark
[21:32] (ChgeZombi) that scars me
[21:32] (_Forbin) you know what the soldiers called the plane she flew to Iraq in
[21:32] (ChgeZombi) scares
[21:32] (_Forbin) Broomstick 1
[21:32] (_Forbin) rofl
[21:32] (Mykl) speaking of femnazis...anyone see the article on Gloria Steinem
[21:32] (ChgeZombi) and i'm a freaking zombi
[21:33] (davtek) ahhh...unfunny freaking zombi
[21:33] (davtek) ty
[21:33] (Kaliuna) oh oh oh......
[21:33] (ChgeZombi) grrrr
[21:34] (Tiggertoo) is tomorrow the big deciding day for the democrats?
[21:34] ([d|c]) could be
[21:34] ([d|c]) but doubtful
[21:34] ([d|c]) if obama wins tx/oh it's over. if he wins one, they'll try to make get hillary out of it. if she wins both, it's going to the convention
[21:34] (davtek) its all 'a show'
[21:35] (Tiggertoo) the impression in the media seems to be that Hillary is being asked to step back
[21:35] (davtek) cus...its all meainless waste of resources
[21:35] * davtek looks at all the political carbon footprints
[21:35] (Harsen) if i woke up tomorrow and south america was at war it would be like folgers in my cup
[21:35] (Mykl) heh harsen
[21:36] (Kaliuna) HARSEN -- oh no -- not the coffee
[21:36] (davtek) wait...war in columbia....
[21:36] * davtek buys lots of coffee
[21:36] (davtek) i'm gonna hord coffee
[21:36] (davtek) sell it in 1/4 oz bags
[21:36] (_Forbin) bush will invade venezuela over coffee
[21:36] (LydiaManx) I get my coffee from other than Folger
[21:36] (_Forbin) its as valuable as oil
[21:36] (Pinkii) (---buys alot of peeps
[21:36] (_Forbin) for real
[21:36] (LydiaManx) Indonesia
[21:36] (_Forbin) !!
[21:37] (LydiaManx) africa
[21:37] (Harsen) WAR FOR COFFEE
[21:37] (Harsen) HE LIED AND PEOPLE DIED
[21:37] (Harsen) ETC
[21:37] (davtek) thats something i can get behind
[21:37] (davtek) coffee wars
[21:37] (Mykl) NO BLOOD FOR COFFEE
[21:37] (_Forbin) Itll be just like 1990.....saddam was going to hit the oil fields
[21:37] (davtek) hey...starbucks will invade
[21:37] (_Forbin) well now chavez is going to hit the coffee fields
[21:37] (_Forbin) Its warrrrr
[21:37] (_Forbin) :)0
[21:37] (Mykl) the leftists will protest outside Starbucks
[21:37] (Tiggertoo) will the world hate Chavez now?
[21:38] (ChgeZombi) what...you going for two 'lol's?
[21:38] (_Forbin) 1....2....3....4......we dont want your coffee war!!
[21:38] (_Forbin) :)0
[21:38] (Kaliuna) well there are other places that produce coffee -- will be big boon to them - but prices are going get bad - stock up now!
[21:39] (Rocky2-) speaking of Chavez, when will that idiot Mugabe die
[21:39] (_Forbin) Alll we are sayyyyyyiiiiing.......is give teaaaa a channnnce
[21:39] (_Forbin) thats all were saying!!
[21:39] (_Forbin) bhahaha thats ridiculous
[21:39] (_Forbin) whew
[21:39] (ChgeZombi) HI'...I'm Joe Kennedy...and i'm being held hostage by our friends in Venezuela...
[21:39] (ChgeZombi) haha
[21:39] (ChgeZombi) now that would be a commerical i'd love to see
[21:40] (_Forbin) yeaaa
[21:40] (ChgeZombi) come on ...do it
[21:40] (ChgeZombi) lol for me
[21:40] (ChgeZombi) do it baby
[21:40] (ChgeZombi) who's your verbal daddy?
[21:41] (davtek) your begging for laughs
[21:41] (davtek) thats lame
[21:41] (Mykl) heh
[21:41] (Mykl) 2 for 1 special
[21:42] (LydiaManx) nite all
[21:42] (Kaliuna) nite lika
[21:42] (Mykl) wb davtek
[21:42] (CometBaby) that will teach him to bring in two clients :)
[21:42] (CometBaby) hehe
[21:42] (davtek) oh
[21:42] (Mykl) ohhhhhh
[21:42] (davtek) so ...you saw thru that
[21:42] (LydiaManx) nite kali
[21:42] (LydiaManx) nite comet
[21:42] (davtek) i told him you were smarter than that
[21:42] (CometBaby) nite lydia :)
[21:42] (davtek) wait
[21:43] (Mykl) bye bye Lydia
[21:43] (CometBaby) dav i always know when there are clones in the channel :)
[21:43] (davtek) its was fun for the last few days
[21:43] (LydiaManx) bye Mykl...long day...sorry didnt talk much
[21:43] (CometBaby) thats my job :)
[21:43] (davtek) and i did admit to lexes i was both
[21:43] (davtek) ask her
[21:43] (davtek) in privy
[21:43] (davtek) and ...i dont privy ever
[21:43] (Kaliuna) well -- we don't need no clones....
[21:44] (davtek) just her cus she is sweet
[21:44] (Kaliuna) or those semi human looking robots they are building
[21:44] (Pinkii) Anyone seen JustKem?
[21:44] (CometBaby) yeah she was here earlier
[21:44] (Glock21) She was on a little bit ago.
[21:44] (Glock21) And smelly.
[21:44] (CometBaby) lol
[21:44] (Kaliuna) GLOCK!
[21:44] (Kaliuna) ahem
[21:44] (Glock21) (it's the cooties)
[21:44] (Mykl) lol
[21:45] (davtek) besides...it got the channel rocking...arguing wif myself actually did change the topic
[21:45] (davtek) consider it and experiment in yak
[21:45] (davtek) an
[21:45] (Kaliuna) I argue with myself a lot too - and me usually wins -- but not in irc
[21:45] (davtek) we/I did make u laugh
[21:45] (Kaliuna) always stick to just me...
[21:45] (davtek) got to admit
[21:46] (davtek) ok...so i troll myself
[21:46] (davtek) so what
[21:47] (Glock21) davtek... everybody's gotta have a hobby...
[21:47] (davtek) ty
[21:47] (Glock21) Mine is making ashtrays out of the skulls of my enemies.
[21:47] (Mykl) nice hobby
[21:48] (Pinkii) Mine is sleeping and watching CSI
[21:48] (davtek) glock...heres a true story
[21:48] (davtek) concerning skulls
[21:48] (Glock21) Well I had to come up with something to do with all that "stuff" I have in the basement... I was running out of room.
[21:48] (davtek) back in my bikerdays
[21:48] (Glock21) And one day it hit me... I didn't have enough furniture... yet an excess of corpses.
[21:48] (Stingray9) no good story beginswith "back in my biker days"
[21:48] (Glock21) It works.
[21:49] (davtek) i had this tricked out xlh sportster for my x...mounted this cat skull as a back tail lite lens
[21:49] (Glock21) And the goth kids buy it like hotcakes.
[21:49] (davtek) lit up when you pressed the brake
[21:49] (Stingray9) nor does "I have a pitbull"
[21:49] (Stingray9) or "We were doing jello shooters"
[21:50] (Glock21) "So I just got off the phone with the detectives..."
[21:50] (Glock21) I HATE those stories.
[21:50] (davtek) we were riding into dc together one nite and this park police cop pulled her over ...got all pissy about the back tailite issue
[21:50] (Glock21) :|
[21:50] (Stingray9) no
[21:50] (Stingray9) d
[21:50] (davtek) claimed he was impounding the bike cus he though it was a human skull
[21:51] (davtek) i was like...you freaking idiot...a hs biology student can see thats not human
[21:51] (davtek) he was just busting chops
[21:51] (Stingray9) client came in today and started the conversation off with "OK, so I have a pitbull".. I cut him off with "You are liable, what/who did it kill/maim/maul?"
[21:52] (davtek) after like 2 hrs of side road disscussion and a sargent on site ..we were allowed to leave.
[21:52] (Stingray9) you should have said it was a baby vampire skull
[21:52] (davtek) suitland parkway
[21:52] (davtek) in md
[21:52] (CryHavoc) davtek..you wandering into restricted areas again?
[21:52] (davtek) constantly
[21:52] (davtek) hahah
[21:52] (davtek) omg...today
[21:53] (davtek) PNC bank bldg
[21:53] * CryHavoc davtek's ultimate goal is to live in Area 51
[21:53] (Stingray9) there is no area 51 sir
[21:53] (davtek) played pat and grope all day wif security
[21:53] (CryHavoc) bullshit sir
[21:53] (Stingray9) wink wink
[21:53] (davtek) ahhh
[21:53] (CryHavoc) Area 51 is the most well known secret base in existence
[21:53] (davtek) 800 conn. ave nw washington dc
[21:53] (davtek) check it out
[21:54] (Stingray9) people camp out at area51
[21:54] (davtek) outside area 51
[21:54] (CryHavoc) Rachel, NV is the gateway
[21:54] (Stingray9) kinda hard to be a sekrit
[21:54] (Stingray9) WHAT AIRSTRIP????
[21:54] (Stingray9) that's just..sand
[21:54] (CryHavoc) plausible deniability
[21:54] (Stingray9) optical illusion
[21:54] (CryHavoc) heh
[21:55] (CryHavoc) Just like Roswell.....
[21:55] (Stingray9) move along..nothing to see here..
[21:55] (CryHavoc) every year the US Gov't changes its story
[21:55] (Stingray9) why..do..you have a guardhouse for a sandpit?
[21:55] (Kaliuna) actually area 53 or was it 54 -- was.... more secret
[21:55] (davtek) doesnt Data work underground at area 51?
[21:55] (CryHavoc) Classified, Sir
[21:55] (Stingray9) duh..so no one steals the sand
[21:55] (CryHavoc) davtek..lol good one...
[21:55] (Kaliuna) sure they do -- make hourglasses
[21:55] (Stingray9) right..see.
[21:56] (Stingray9) HOURGLASSES!!! think about it
[21:56] (CryHavoc) In my novel , Area 51 is where they do Recombinnering experiments
[21:56] (davtek) see...comet...i can be funny even with out that stupid zombi guy
[21:56] (CryHavoc) howsa things Kali? L:)
[21:56] (davtek) :P
[21:57] (Stingray9) In my novel its where they are trying to invent something to replace Tang
[21:57] (Kaliuna) cry -- so so
[21:57] (Glock21) "Jay Walking" is damn near depressing.
[21:57] (CryHavoc) same here....I got my yearly URI...so its to the walk in clinic I go to get some Antibiotics
[21:57] (davtek) i'm waiting for 'Jay Drive-Bys
[21:58] (CryHavoc) Stingray9...they will call it Bang
[21:58] (Stingray9) combine it with Deathrace 2000, more interesting
[21:58] (CryHavoc) the exploding new sensation
[21:58] (Pinkii) Well I'm outtie everyone
[21:58] (Stingray9) noted
[21:58] * CryHavoc has an Idea...elect Osama Bin Laden to the leadership post to a country
[21:58] (CryHavoc) night pinky
[21:58] (Pinkii) night
[21:59] (davtek) hahaha...leep yr grants us one day of free rent
[21:59] (davtek) hahaha
[21:59] (davtek) gotta love colbert
[21:59] (CryHavoc) something like that
[21:59] (Stingray9) I thought he was going to win the Democrat nomination already
[21:59] (CryHavoc) no..not here...elect him in one of the muslim *stans
[21:59] (Kaliuna) S9 -- hillary is gonna fight it all way --
[21:59] (CryHavoc) when he shows his face in public.....
[21:59] (Stingray9) the convention should be worth watching then
[21:59] (Stingray9) FIGHT CLUB!!!!!
[21:59] (CryHavoc) March 4 is gonna be a killer
[22:00] (CryHavoc) yes..there will be a convention fight
[22:00] (Mykl) on pay per view?
[22:00] (Mykl) heh
[22:00] (Stingray9) I wanna see some catfights
[22:00] (CryHavoc) It might be worth paying to see that
[22:00] (Mykl) I wanna see some name calling
[22:00] (Kaliuna) bet its really gonna be big fight....
[22:00] (davtek) i'm like...get that 'LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE 'guy opening the conventiono
[22:00] (Stingray9) 2008 Democratic UFC Cage Match Convention
[22:00] (CryHavoc) Kali it will be...
[22:00] (CryHavoc) get proxies for both candidates
[22:01] (Mykl) Obama " look white witch you going down"
[22:01] (davtek) who let the dogs out..hoot hoot
[22:01] * davtek does the cabbage patch pull dance thingy
[22:01] (CryHavoc) Mykl more like "Hillary, (*)&*%$%%$#%$!!!! Die Bitch!
[22:01] (davtek) who let the dogs out..hoot hoot
[22:01] (Mykl) hahahahha yea
[22:01] (Mykl) What would Hillary say...hrmmm...
[22:02] (CryHavoc) Hillary "Mr. Obama ( string of racial epithets inserted here), I am gonna have your balls on a plaque!!
[22:02] (Stingray9) In this corner wearing the rainbow coalition trunks and weighing in at 126 pounds, he's bringing hope and change.. Barak....mumbles middle name.. Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamuh
[22:02] (davtek) hahah...the democratic order of planets....
[22:02] (davtek) DOOP
[22:02] (Mykl) lol @ rainbow coalition
[22:02] (CryHavoc) its been too long sinced there was a convention fight
[22:03] (CryHavoc) night peeps :)
[22:03] (Kaliuna) and I DEMAND that votes be counted - even though ...
[22:03] (Kaliuna) we agreed not to accept them....
[22:03] (Mykl) I kinda hope she does not lose
[22:03] (Mykl) I wanna see them torn apart
[22:03] (Mykl) makes it easier for McCain
[22:03] (Stingray9) and in the red corner wearing what appears to be the pants of the family weighing in at a plump 198 puinds, she's lean, she's mean, admit it, she's a bitch, Hillary "Where's my husband" Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiintonuh
[22:03] (Kaliuna) and then she grabs these copies of FBI files and has a meeting with delegates -- YOU WILL vote for me
[22:03] (Mykl) LOL
[22:04] (Stingray9) Obama/Hillary celebrity deathmatch would be fun
[22:04] (Mykl) Hillary "where's my husband" Clinton LOL
[22:04] (Mykl) ya
[22:04] (Mykl) deathmatch!
[22:04] ([d|c]) good to see that hillary got right on her tax returns after the debate
[22:04] (davtek) what ever happened to those fired travel agency gov. workers?
[22:04] (davtek) hummm..they got 'fostered'
[22:04] (Stingray9) 26 weeksor unemployment checks?
[22:05] (davtek) The VF files
[22:05] (davtek) poor vince
[22:05] (Stingray9) Hillary looks like shes gaining weight.. trying to win the black vote by getting a badonkadonk?
[22:05] (Stingray9) ghetto booty?
[22:06] (Kaliuna) those missing law firm files
[22:06] (Mykl) lol ya
[22:06] (Stingray9) stolen china..... CHINA PEOPLE!!
[22:06] (Stingray9) see..they are linked to CHINA
[22:06] (davtek) she looks like she has a couple super delegates inside her cheeks...like a chipmonk
[22:06] (Mykl) she is gonna do a booty video with a rapper
[22:06] (Stingray9) RKelly
[22:06] (Mykl) Bootylicious
[22:07] (ChgeZombi) you already used that joke
[22:07] (ChgeZombi) and it revived me
[22:07] (ChgeZombi) see what you have done now?
[22:07] (ChgeZombi) change...
[22:07] (ChgeZombi) you need to change
[22:07] (Stingray9) and hope
[22:07] (Stingray9) and change
[22:07] (Mykl) yes we can!!
[22:07] * Stingray9 faints
[22:07] (Mykl) lol
[22:07] * Kaliuna gets out smelling salts
[22:08] (Stingray9) gack
[22:08] (Mykl) I mean seriously the fainting is so stupid
[22:08] (Stingray9) He's like Elvis
[22:08] (Mykl) ya the king
[22:08] (Kaliuna) I could see it in 100+ temps... but sheesh -- who is paying these kids
[22:08] (Stingray9) panties flying up on stage
[22:08] (davtek) ohhh...fainting....not painting
[22:09] * davtek stops
[22:09] (davtek) whew
[22:09] (ChgeZombi) lame
[22:09] (Kaliuna) tie thrown into crowd
[22:09] (ChgeZombi) he could be 'taint'ing
[22:09] (ChgeZombi) now thats funny
[22:09] (Stingray9) Obama needs to show up in that white sequined 70's jumpsuit just ONE time
[22:09] (davtek) not
[22:10] (Stingray9) It would be OVER
[22:10] (Stingray9) een McCain would vote for him
[22:10] (davtek) its over johnny
[22:10] (Stingray9) ^v
[22:10] (Kaliuna) S9 -- no then hillary would come out with a disco sequin outfit
[22:10] (Kaliuna) puuuuuuuuulllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeasse
[22:10] (Mykl) you know what would be real funny...Obama as pres and Hillary as VP...the fights
[22:10] (Stingray9) like a sparkly Delta Burke
[22:10] (Stingray9) the horror
[22:11] (Mykl) hahahha
[22:11] (davtek) ouch
[22:11] ([d|c]) is someone feeling faint!?
[22:11] (davtek) who is this Jenny Crieg person anyway?
[22:12] (davtek) has anyone actuall seen Jenny?
[22:12] (Mykl) good question
[22:12] (Mykl) didn't Monica advertise for them?
[22:12] (davtek) ahh...that hot chick that joined cheers did
[22:13] (davtek) whats her name?
[22:13] (Mykl) Kirstey Alley?
[22:13] (davtek) yea...alley
[22:13] (davtek) :}
[22:13] (davtek) see..i really dont need a second me
[22:14] (davtek) she did a sci fi flick wif magnum pi guy..didnt she?
[22:14] (davtek) the little spider robot thingys
[22:14] (davtek) you can buy little 'tekbugs'...
[22:14] (Kaliuna) hmmmm
[22:15] (davtek) same ones used in that movie
[22:15] (davtek) goin on the market this yr
[22:15] (davtek) the six legged walking chip
[22:16] (davtek) wif back up
[22:16] (SweetLeaf) Im watching the history of the internet it got to be flase propaganda no mention of AlGor at all and he invented it
[22:16] (Mykl) yea he said he invented it
[22:16] (davtek) did they mention Mystic Star?
[22:17] (davtek) prob not
[22:17] (davtek) cant find nuffin on that old system.
[22:17] (Kaliuna) SL -- he just signed some papers on it...
[22:17] (davtek) what yrs are they talking about?
[22:19] (bellavita) is obama a terrorist
[22:19] (bellavita) ?
[22:19] (davtek) my first exposure to the 'net' was on a tty machine
[22:19] (davtek) no monitors
[22:20] (davtek) 60 wpm and 100 wpm machines
[22:20] (davtek) infact..that was my first enlightenment of 'buffering'
[22:21] (SweetLeaf) Glen Beck had some big time scientist on his show they said global warming is natural progression he said yes or no answer is the earth warming up because of us both said NO
[22:21] (davtek) i could type into the 60wpm machines faster then they could process and print...use to blow my supers away by entering msg's and walking away fromt he term wif the machine still tryin to catch up wif me
[22:22] (SweetLeaf) one pole is getting warming the other pole is getting colder hmmm
[22:22] (davtek) i was prob doin 90wpm
[22:22] (davtek) back then
[22:22] (Kaliuna) dav -- sounds familiar - they would sit there beeeeeping til whole message was accepted
[22:22] (davtek) i'm like old n stuff now
[22:23] (davtek) omg...i spent all day copying and pasting line by line code into a stupid pix 501 firwall...stupid as cisco crap
[22:23] (davtek) just to find out..that script was wrong
[22:23] (davtek) three pages of stupid commands
[22:24] (davtek) cus....the cisco 501 pix will not accept usb/serial interface xfer
[22:25] (davtek) soooo..i had to sit in a freaking closet on a mud bucket copying and pasting 3 pages of script into this stupid little box
[22:25] (davtek) i named it after my s
[22:25] (davtek) x
[22:26] (davtek) i used my p-touch and labled it 'bitch
[22:26] (davtek) all formal n stuff
[22:26] (davtek) i hate doing wells fargo and pnc banking accts
[22:28] (veridical) evening
[22:28] (davtek) dont change the subject
[22:29] (redfish) davtek do you mind if i change the subject
[22:29] (veridical) think his last statement means just that?
[22:29] (ChgeZombi) grrr
[22:29] (ChgeZombi) change???
[22:29] (ChgeZombi) did someone say....change???
[22:30] (davtek) redfish...no..i dont mind..
[22:30] (davtek) do it
[22:30] * Glock21 changes redfish's face... with a brick...
[22:33] (Mykl) redfish what the subject
[22:33] (veridical) wanna discuss economics?
[22:33] (davtek) anyone gonna buy the Stargate DVD
[22:33] (davtek) ?
[22:33] (davtek) The Ark Of Truth
[22:34] (davtek) can a series survive in dvdland?
[22:34] (veridical) the value of the us dollar in relation to globalism and american consumptionism
[22:34] (Glock21) What... it last past the first season)
[22:34] (redfish) glock hasnt written a real blog entry in days
[22:34] (Glock21) ?
[22:35] (Glock21) redfish judges people by the color of their scales.
[22:35] (veridical) gotta love the smoke and mirrors of modern economics
[22:36] (davtek) honestly...globalization is partly responsible for the current 'assumption of economic' downslide
[22:36] (veridical) make
[22:36] (veridical) eh
[22:37] (veridical) actually, i'd disagree and advance that the lack of sound money is the problem
[22:37] (veridical) fiat currency is going to throw us through a loop
[22:38] (veridical) it encourages moral hazard on the part of lenders
[22:38] (veridical) in my opinion
[22:38] (davtek) keep inmind...'the oldworld'ers have been payin $4 a gallon for gas ...for like....10 yrs now...some see it as 'leveling the playing field
[22:38] (davtek) think about that
[22:38] (davtek) thats al gore politics
[22:39] (veridical) oil hasn't really be raising in value
[22:39] (veridical) the dollar has been inflating
[22:39] (veridical) :P
[22:39] (veridical) been*
[22:39] (davtek) no..its the ability for a country to focus that resource
[22:39] (davtek) either in selling ..or usage
[22:39] (davtek) and the focus of the mid east..is in selling
[22:40] (veridical) it's a combination of more demand by developing countries *ie* china and india
[22:40] (davtek) gaining financial control
[22:40] (davtek) look at whos buying what
[22:40] (veridical) and the dollar sinking like the tatanic ever year we maintain a federael budget deficit
[22:40] (davtek) you cant let the vast resourse come to bear on us
[22:41] (davtek) thats what the iraq conflict is really about
[22:41] (veridical) this economic stimulus package might fool people into thinking they have more money for a short time, but not long enough to do anything to consumption rate of average americans
[22:41] (davtek) a 'foothold' sistuaion
[22:41] (L1bertine) davtek: the problem is, the 'old world' pays the same market price for gas we do, they just pay more on the taxes
[22:41] (davtek) sistuation
[22:41] (veridical) it's merely going to inflate the dollar more by causing us to borrow more money and print more money
[22:41] (davtek) NO
[22:41] (davtek) ha
[22:41] (veridical) it's like minimum wage
[22:42] (L1bertine) davtek: ive done the math, last i checked there was a 5% delta at most
[22:42] (veridical) mimimum wage is designed to make people feel like they're getting paid more
[22:43] (veridical) in reality, their money is worth less -- due to offsets made by retail and other establishments in price to pay their employees more
[22:44] (veridical) plus stagnating wages without increases relative to inflation
[22:44] (davtek) wow
[22:44] (davtek) i had no idea
[22:44] (veridical) on top of that, due to weaking dollar, transport cost smore due to fuel costs
[22:44] (veridical) and it's a self-feeding cycle
[22:44] (davtek) omg..
[22:45] (veridical) relax dude
[22:45] (veridical) don't be patronizing
[22:45] * davtek sits still
[22:45] (davtek) and is willing to listen
[22:45] (veridical) i'm just trying to stir up some debate
[22:46] (davtek) sounds like your unionizing
[22:47] (veridical) heh, it's scary watching the world progress
[22:47] (veridical) edward bernays created a monster for sure
[22:47] (davtek) the key word ...is flux
[22:47] (davtek) constant
[22:47] (veridical) we're in for some hard times
[22:47] (davtek) expect it...embrace it...
[22:47] (veridical) ;\
[22:48] (veridical) best to prepare and try to get comfortable
[22:48] (veridical) we might have an 87 style market crash if consumer confidence drops enough
[22:48] (veridical) and spending contracts enough
[22:48] (davtek) i love you doomsayers...ppl report the US econ as ..being in recession...omg...the worst ...
[22:48] (veridical) heh
[22:48] (veridical) well
[22:49] (veridical) the problem is this
[22:49] (davtek) nothing seen since the 30
[22:49] (davtek) 's
[22:49] (veridical) if the banks took the total hits, we'd be almost through this
[22:49] (veridical) problem is... they dumped the mortgage backed securities on wall street
[22:49] (davtek) yet...all those compairsons are within ..its own history.
[22:49] (davtek) not against the world market
[22:49] (veridical) davtek: it's been in the making for a while
[22:50] (veridical) consumerism is running out of steam
[22:50] (davtek) no matter what happens in the US...how bad it gets....it will still outshine all other countries...
[22:50] (veridical) people can't continue to consume more than their means
[22:50] (veridical) credit is contracting globally
[22:50] (davtek) unless we make a foothold on the area of the world staged to invade by dollar..not warheads
[22:50] (veridical) it only took a few years to go from the roaring 20's to the bread lines
[22:50] (veridical) :P
[22:51] (veridical) asian market is over valued
[22:51] (veridical) it's going to take hits soon
[22:51] (veridical) consumption in america is already starting to tighten
[22:52] (veridical) it's affecting the european economy
[22:52] (veridical) it's affecting any producer for the world consumer
[22:52] (davtek) again..its a result of globialzitaian...and the need by 'old world to level the playing field
[22:52] (veridical) yeah
[22:52] (veridical) if we fall, everyone falls with us
[22:53] (veridical) china will be independent within 8 years
[22:54] (veridical) the middle east's economy doesn't depend on us
[22:54] (veridical) know what's sick
[22:54] (Brand0n) it used to.. but now india and china rely on the middle east... but they still rely on us
[22:55] (Stingray9) I have got to stop watchingold 80's music videos
[22:56] (veridical) oh man
[22:56] (veridical) that was funny
[22:56] (veridical) i picked up a dried berry because it looked like a peice of hash
[22:56] (veridical) tried pulling it apart
[22:56] (Stingray9) stop smoking the potpourri
[22:56] (veridical) sitting on my desk next to the bag
[22:57] (veridical) heh, smoking bubble hash from cali
[22:57] (Stingray9) Have to admit Dale Bozzio was hot back in 82
[23:01] (Nowherema) http://marvin.hb0da.org/~beavis/archive/files/400_41b73a2b340a6_kekse.jpg
[23:02] (Lazzarus) http://www.flickr.com/photos/billadams/321845104/
[23:22] (LSDWash) sup Mikey
[23:26] (gopp) VENEZUELA EXPELS ALL COLOMBIAN DIPLOMATS IN CARACAS...
[23:27] (gopp) opps
[23:28] (gopp) from inside venezula "As expected, Ecuador broke relations with Colombia and nowhere were the Venezuelan army to be seen in larger numbers at the Colombian borders. No excitement by the way in the streets. At least in San Felipe there is ZERO war fervor: Chavez is alone on that one."
[23:28] (gopp) "
[23:28] (gopp) No, what was interesting today was the difference between those who talked, too much, and those who retained some composure and sobriety.
[23:28] (gopp) "
[23:29] (gopp) Well, charges and countercharges flew tonight from all sides and things are getting to be almost funny, just hot air, no bullets, no guns, that is something we can not afford to have shortages of:
[23:30] (MacKenzy) thank you
[23:31] (Glock21) Your welcome!
[23:31] (Glock21) Y'ol fogey!
[23:31] (MacKenzy) yes, im afraid im getting there after many years of having been the whiz kid
[23:31] (MacKenzy) its an odd feeling when it finally comes upon you
[23:32] (MacKenzy) it reminds me of william saroyan's famous quote as he was lying on his death bed...
[23:32] (Glock21) With my lifestyle I'll probably never know.
[23:32] (Glock21) :P
[23:32] (MacKenzy) "i know we all have to die . . . but i honestly thought that in my case God would make an exception."
[23:33] (Glock21) No exceptions!
[23:33] (MacKenzy) not lately anyway
[23:33] (Glock21) If we break the rules for one... soon there will be exceptions for some... then most.... and then we'll have a planet full of old fogeys.
[23:33] (MacKenzy) im so exhausted i can hardly read the screen. it keeps going in and out of focus.
[23:33] (Glock21) And to hell with that!
[23:33] (MacKenzy) now THAT is tired.
[23:34] (Glock21) We'll be importing meteors!
[23:34] (MacKenzy) meteors are just illegal immigrant rocks.
[23:34] (Glock21) heh
[23:34] (MacKenzy) appears you're manning the fort alone
[23:34] (MacKenzy) we can only hope that the desert raiders do not attack tonight
[23:35] (Glock21) Not sure where everybody else ran off to.
[23:35] (MacKenzy) well, i must be up and at work in 6.5 hours. i had better sleep.
[23:35] (MacKenzy) take care, Glockie
[23:35] (rh152) are you people scientologists?
[23:35] (Glock21) G'night!
[23:35] (Glock21) Well... person now. But no.
[23:35] (Glock21) Mac is a devout christian... I'm an atheist.
[23:36] (rh152) What is hopeful about being an atheist?
[23:36] (Glock21) o_O
[23:36] (Glock21) What do you mean?
[23:37] (MikeyD) rh152: you dont have to sweat the afterlife i suppose
[23:37] (Glock21) It's not some sort of philosophical guidebook. It's just a lack of belief in a god.
[23:37] (rh152) most people live with love, hope, etc.....
[23:38] (Glock21) You'd have to inquire into a particular atheists philosophy to find out what gives them hope, if they give a damn about hope, etc.
[23:38] (Glock21) Atheism isn't a life philosophy in and of itself.
[23:38] (LSDWash) Mikey, is your web site still down?
[23:38] (rh152) Hope is really good
[23:38] (Glock21) No guide books to live by.
[23:38] (MikeyD) yeah =\
[23:38] (MikeyD) kinda pissy about that right now too
[23:38] (LSDWash) that's a shame
[23:39] (Toaster12) Hope is a good thing....keeps us pluggin' along
[23:39] (Glock21) Hope for some imaginary afterlife doesn't appeal to all of us.
[23:39] (LSDWash) you and glock both offer some valuable insight
[23:39] (MikeyD) eh, itll come back, i just have to have some spare cash around for a 700 dollar dat arecovery
[23:39] (MikeyD) which should be easier now that ive gotten rid of the girlfriend and i can go back to spending my money as i please
[23:39] (LSDWash) $700... wtf
[23:40] (MikeyD) shit
[23:40] (MikeyD) thats the best deal in town
[23:40] (LSDWash) you had a HD die?
[23:40] (rh152) glock21.......you follow science?
[23:40] (MikeyD) if i took itt o drive savers right now theyd want 2k to just look at it
[23:40] (MikeyD) yeah
[23:40] (MikeyD) took out my mail db and web shit all at once
[23:40] (MikeyD) fucking pissed
[23:41] (MikeyD) mirror failed
[23:41] (Glock21) rh152... follow it as in take note of new theories/discoveries? Or follow it as in a religion?
[23:41] (Toaster12) How does one follow science?
[23:41] (LSDWash) well, if it was just the site, would be cheaper to log your thoughts again... shit, you probably refined a few views between then and now
[23:41] (MikeyD) nah, i must have my old shit
[23:41] (Glock21) I enjoy the theories/discoveries... don't really consider it anything binding given that scientists often refute the theories of old.
[23:41] (MikeyD) i have email going back to 1994 in that mail db
[23:42] (rh152) glock21 : follow it for interest.
[23:42] (Glock21) Out of interest sure.
[23:42] (LSDWash) damn, makes me wanna start a MikeyFund
[23:42] (Brand0n) most atheists are young students of science, one they become enlightened they resort back to religion because they realize science does not have the answers they believed in
[23:42] (MikeyD) heh, donate away homeboy
[23:42] (MikeyD) i accept visa, mastercard, cash, hardware, storage
[23:42] (MikeyD) shit
[23:43] (LSDWash) I think you and Glock are the two that actually voice my lazy-ass opinions
[23:43] (MikeyD) id take the gold teeth out of your grandmas mouth if she had big enough teeth
[23:43] (Glock21) Brand0n... some of us can accept that you can't know it all... and filling in the blanks with myths isn't all that satisfying to everyone.
[23:43] (LSDWash) hahah
[23:43] * LSDWash donates his gramma
[23:44] (LSDWash) she would be proud to give to the cause
[23:44] (MikeyD) woot
[23:44] (MikeyD) did anyone check out the series finale of sarah connor chronicles?
[23:44] (Glock21) It'd be interesting to know what happens to the mind once the body is dead... if anything. But making crap up or buying into what other people made up doesn't really satisfy that curiosity. So I'll just wait to find out in person.
[23:44] (L0c0) LOL this is a gem...
[23:44] (L0c0) During a presidential primary town hall meeting at UTEP Monday morning, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano -- who was there rallying voters to support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama -- made a major faux pas when she began comparing Obama to Arizona Sen. John McCain, the Republican party presidential nominee.
[23:45] (L0c0) "If you want change in Washington, D.C., and if you want to hear a new voice and new vision in D.C., you are picking John McCain," she said with excitement. After the 70 or so people in the audience went silent, she corrected herself. "McCain? I mean you are picking Barack Obama if you want change," she said as she smiled.
[23:45] (L0c0) lol
[23:45] (LSDWash) man, I don't know how you guys do it... I'm passionate, but I have so much shit with my damn job and family, etc. etc. I would love to have the fortitude to pay enough attention and voice my thoughts in such a lucid way
[23:46] (Glock21) LSDWash... I have an unhealthy amount of freetime.
[23:46] (Glock21) :P
[23:46] (LSDWash) hehe
[23:46] (LSDWash) that's sad (and I envy you)
[23:46] (LSDWash) friggin' L0c0 is awake
[23:47] (Glock21) I yearn to get back to living a productive life. More money for vacation fun.
[23:47] (LSDWash) never thought I would agree so much YOU, L0c0 ;)
[23:47] (rh152) glock21: if you've never done it , attend a religious service once. I am catholic and would suggest that.. forget about all the catholic mores......... just feel the service.
[23:47] (Glock21) rh152... I was raised Apostolic Christian.
[23:48] (Glock21) It's like catholicism but with less ritual and more dread.
[23:48] (Glock21) Made for a lovely childhood.
[23:48] (Glock21) I've gone to mass with my buddy a couple times.
[23:48] (Glock21) Just doesn't appeal to me.
[23:48] (rh152) Lots of dread in catholosism
[23:48] (Glock21) Catholicism has nothing on the german apostolics here.
[23:48] (rh152) You've never felt the positive side of that?
[23:49] (Glock21) There are certainly some positive philosophical values in Christianity and its derivatives.
[23:49] (Glock21) And in other religions too.
[23:49] (Glock21) I just don't consider the words of men (prophets) binding.
[23:49] (rh152) No, in your heart.........
[23:49] (Glock21) Just because they considered it a revelation from god.
[23:50] (Glock21) I don't think with my heart... my heart pumps blood.
[23:50] (Glock21) It reacts to chemical and electrical influences.
[23:50] (Glock21) It provides no consciousness or thinking ability.
[23:50] (LSDWash) hehe... I'm as Christian as they come and I SO 'get' Glock
[23:51] (Glock21) LSDWash... kem (new gal here) brought up an interesting read. The Jefferson bible.
[23:51] (LSDWash) faith is a choice... you either choose (often against logic) to beleive or you don't
[23:51] (Glock21) He edited out the mysticism and just left the values and the essence of what is good in mankind.
[23:51] (Glock21) The "natural law" stuff he was into basically.
[23:52] (LSDWash) sounds really interesting... plays into what I have always thought... even if you don't think there is a 'higher power' the principals will assist you in life
[23:53] (LSDWash) whether you don't cheat on your wife because "god said it was bad" or because you just think it's wrong, you will probably be happier if you don't
[23:53] (rh152) Glock21: don't you believe in a soul?
[23:54] (Glock21) Well even if you don't believe in some sort of supernatural diety pulling the strings of the universe... the idea that there is an order to the chaos is fairly consistent with observation. Nature, even when brutal, has a bit of a pattern.
[23:54] (Glock21) rh152... nope.
[23:54] (Glock21) Some people see a god in the details... I see more of a big question mark.
[23:54] (Glock21) :P
[23:55] (Glock21) And like Jefferson... I think the personal philosophy of what makes sense to us is the most critical.
[23:55] (panini) lol, obama supports bush: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080303/pl_nm/palestinians_israel_rice_obama_dc
[23:55] (Glock21) Free discussion of it helps to encourage societal advancement over a long enough timeline.
[23:55] (LSDWash) rh152: even the term "soul" loses meaning if you aren't a religous person... it's hard to make an argument when using terms like that
[23:56] (LSDWash) I mean, if you aren't a Chistian or some similar believer, what does "soul" mean
[23:56] (rh152) what if god is a collective of love, how do you define love?
[23:56] (Glock21) The "soul"... like "love" is mostly a human thought construct... similar to an equal sign... we know what people mean when they refer to it and work with the concept to symbolize and analyze things in nature.
[23:56] (LSDWash) that's the problem with so many Christians theses days... they have no idea where the rest of the world is coming from
[23:57] (Glock21) rh152... lol... that was damn near a jinx!
[23:57] (LSDWash) buy ME a Coke
[23:57] (LSDWash) I mean, it was like double-jinx or something
[23:57] (LSDWash) so I win
[23:58] (CometBaby) Two guys in NC got into an arguement over the Hillary/Obama debates and one hit the other over the head with a baseball bat.
[23:58] (rh152) You can explain it, but have you felt love?
[23:58] (LSDWash) CB: what city?
[23:58] (CometBaby) he is in ICU
[23:58] (CometBaby) Alexader County NC
[23:58] (Glock21) comet... another intrademocratic incident of violence?
[23:58] (LSDWash) hmmm
[23:58] (CometBaby) According to the Alexander County Sheriff’s Office 40 year old Gregory Lynn Carter of Taylorsville is charged with assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injury.
[23:58] (CometBaby) those democrats are nutcases
[23:59] (CometBaby) I'm telling you .. they are acting like a bunch of mind numbed robots
[23:59] (CometBaby) in a spell
[23:59] (CometBaby) hypnotized
[23:59] (Glock21) rh152... do you know the difference between a disease and a syndrome?
[23:59] (Glock21) It's a relevant analogy here.
[23:59] (Change08) hey cometbaby
[23:59] (CometBaby) hi change
[23:59] (Change08) change your mind and decided to vote for obama yet cometbaby ?

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